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People might want to wait till Shea Weber's contract is over before declaring a winner. Guy will be 40 in 2025/26 making $7,857,143

P.K.'s contract ends  after the 21/22 season, he will be 32 and getting $9 mill a year.

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People might want to wait till Shea Weber's contract is over before declaring a winner. Guy will be 40 in 2025/26 making $7,857,143

P.K.'s contract ends  after the 21/22 season, he will be 32 and getting $9 mill a year.

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1 hour ago, gurn said:

People might want to wait till Shea Weber's contract is over before declaring a winner. Guy will be 40 in 2025/26 making $7,857,143

P.K.'s contract ends  after the 21/22 season, he will be 32 and getting $9 mill a year.

I think you made your point ;)

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23 minutes ago, laddie said:

I think you made your point ;)

My first 3peat.:towel:

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7 hours ago, mll said:

Canucks have no cap space to make a move.  Nashville is not going to take on a cap dump with term to make it work.  They are not going to limit their cap for next season.  

 

CapFriendly shows the Canucks with $30'474.-  as end of season cap space.  That's what they have to cover the performance bonuses of Hughes and Pettersson - any excess will carry over and count against next season's cap.  Pettersson and Hughes look well on their way to hit their A targets - a combined 1.7M.   Ferland coming off LTIR should help increase that amount but there will likely still be a carry over.  They need to shed cap before being able to make an add.  

 

Also Poile talks of being sellers if they are out of the playoffs.  They made the move today to get their team back on track.  He talks of how there are several individuals not playing to their potential.  He says players also have to take responsibility for the firing.  He says if he notices anyone underachieving because they are too comfortable he'll make a move.  

 

 

You are out?

Free!

Rehabilitated...

 

We're puttin the band back together!

 

When Jimmy calls?

 

 

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7 hours ago, mll said:

I don't think we disagree.  If the Canucks had cap space and wants to improve the team ahead of the playoffs and someone like Granlund can be had for cheap - why not.  It all comes down to the asking price.

 

Anyone can be had but the price for core players is likely prohibitive.  Someone with term who is too comfortable in Nashville could be had for cheaper.    

 

Matt Duchesne seems to have the Midas touch?  :bigblush:  (keep away, keep away...)

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15 hours ago, gurn said:

People might want to wait till Shea Weber's contract is over before declaring a winner. Guy will be 40 in 2025/26 making $7,857,143

P.K.'s contract ends  after the 21/22 season, he will be 32 and getting $9 mill a year.

Weber will play until the end of the 2022-23 season, when he's 37. But there's not a chance that he plays the last 3 years of that contract, when he's paid only $1M per.

 

Of course, he won't "retire" - the cap recapture would absolutely cripple Nashville (over $24.5M!). He'll have some sort of injury that will have him ride it out on I/R. Cap recapture is only something that Vancouver has to deal with.

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If Nashville does end up selling, and we end up buying, it may not be a bad play to go after Craig Smith. Not as high-profile as Granlund, but more productive in Nashville offensively.

 

2nd line RW, who can also take faceoffs. Also has been solid in the playoffs. Should be a good fit next to Horvat and Pearson, if the cost isn't too high.

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Can we please get Forsberg!!

ive wanted a Forsberg jersey since Peter and I'll happily settle for Filp lol

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8 hours ago, D-Money said:

Weber will play until the end of the 2022-23 season, when he's 37. But there's not a chance that he plays the last 3 years of that contract, when he's paid only $1M per.

 

Of course, he won't "retire" - the cap recapture would absolutely cripple Nashville (over $24.5M!). He'll have some sort of injury that will have him ride it out on I/R. Cap recapture is only something that Vancouver has to deal with.

We should trade for him and see, two maybe three years of good hockey left  in Shea and then throw him on ltir cause we know the league won't penalty us cause it would cripple the preds  lol 

.  Hughes and Weber ......that sounds good to me and we don't have anyone in the pipeline for the next year or two for that right side.

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I'd like to upgrade the 4th line (don't see the need to upgrade the second line when Leivo will come back).

 

Any of Austin Watson/ Colton Sissons/ Colin Blackwell (grinder types who can skate and score, and the latter two are good on draws too) would be great to add if Schaller and Sutter can be moved.  Any of the stars would be too much to obtain but I think their 4th liners can really help us. 

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10 hours ago, D-Money said:

Weber will play until the end of the 2022-23 season, when he's 37. But there's not a chance that he plays the last 3 years of that contract, when he's paid only $1M per.

 

Of course, he won't "retire" - the cap recapture would absolutely cripple Nashville (over $24.5M!). He'll have some sort of injury that will have him ride it out on I/R. Cap recapture is only something that Vancouver has to deal with.

Florida and L.A. both have cap recapture penalties going against their cap space too.  

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On 1/7/2020 at 4:01 PM, gurn said:

People might want to wait till Shea Weber's contract is over before declaring a winner. Guy will be 40 in 2025/26 making $7,857,143

P.K.'s contract ends  after the 21/22 season, he will be 32 and getting $9 mill a year.

Except Shea Weber will likely "Suffer" a career ending "injury" before his contract expires.

 

Still gets his $ and his cap hit will be insured, only cost is cap space for MTL.

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8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Fabbro and NJ 2020 2nd

for

Madden, Stecher, and Baertschi

 

I think Fabbro is exempt for the Expansion Draft

Fabbro is expansion eligible.  Nashville made the coaching change because they don't want to dismantle their team.

 

Fabbro is playing in their top-4 - they were saying the sky is the limit for him.   Vigneault ended up using Stecher as D7 at the Worlds - Fabbro overtook him fairly easily.  Poile watched that tournament and said it's what convinced him that they could move on from Subban because Fabbro was that impressive.  

 

Baertschi has one more year and would limit their cap space.  Madden is a NCAA player - who says he doesn't hold out like Vesey.  

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On 1/7/2020 at 7:01 PM, gurn said:

People might want to wait till Shea Weber's contract is over before declaring a winner. Guy will be 40 in 2025/26 making $7,857,143

P.K.'s contract ends  after the 21/22 season, he will be 32 and getting $9 mill a year.

Think at this point it's pretty clear that Subban is a one hit wonder - and that was a shortened year so maybe not even that.  Where as Weber has been the model of consistency his entire career and is having a career year now.   At his cap hit right through it will be palatable - where as the only good thing about Subbans contract is it runs out earlier. 

 

I suppose Weber might retire a year or two early given his actual salary on that monster 110 million deal will be down to 1 million each of the last three - and NSH will have some significant cap recapture issues to deal with but that doesn't affect MTL - just their trading partner. 

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14 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

I'd like to upgrade the 4th line (don't see the need to upgrade the second line when Leivo will come back).

 

Any of Austin Watson/ Colton Sissons/ Colin Blackwell (grinder types who can skate and score, and the latter two are good on draws too) would be great to add if Schaller and Sutter can be moved.  Any of the stars would be too much to obtain but I think their 4th liners can really help us. 

Poile said he didn't want to fire Laviolette and put the blame on the players.  He says too many are not playing to their potential.  He hopes the coaching change is going to get them going.  He did warn that if he catches anyone being too comfortable he'll do something about it.

 

He talked about how he likes the make up of their team.  His preference is to keep the group together.  Sissons just signed for 7 years and Watson signed a 3-year extension starting next season.  


If he ends up making them available it's because they are not showing heart and are being too complacent now that they have contract security.

 

Blackwell will turn 27 in March - he only has 16 NHL games and will be a UFA this summer.

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15 minutes ago, mll said:

Poile said he didn't want to fire Laviolette and put the blame on the players.  He says too many are not playing to their potential.  He hopes the coaching change is going to get them going.  He did warn that if he catches anyone being too comfortable he'll do something about it.

 

He talked about how he likes the make up of their team.  His preference is to keep the group together.  Sissons just signed for 7 years and Watson signed a 3-year extension starting next season.  


If he ends up making them available it's because they are not showing heart and are being too complacent now that they have contract security.

 

Blackwell will turn 27 in March - he only has 16 NHL games and will be a UFA this summer.

 

This is a big part of the problem. Why are average players like Sissons getting 7 year deals? 

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7 minutes ago, RonMexico said:

 

This is a big part of the problem. Why are average players like Sissons getting 7 year deals? 


Sissons has a role on the team and he's been good at it.  Sissons is typically shutdown duties - 3rd or 4th line but he is also capable of having a hat-trick - even had one in the playoffs.  He's a very versatile 30pts player who can move to C or wing and who can play higher up if needed.  

 

At 2.85M it was a good deal for how he had been playing up to then.  Not this season though - like quite a few on the team he is not playing to his typical level.  He is building a house in Nashville and you wonder if complacency crept in.  

 

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18 minutes ago, mll said:


Sissons has a role on the team and he's been good at it.  Sissons is typically shutdown duties - 3rd or 4th line but he is also capable of having a hat-trick - even had one in the playoffs.  He's a very versatile 30pts player who can move to C or wing and who can play higher up if needed.  

 

At 2.85M it was a good deal for how he had been playing up to then.  Not this season though - like quite a few on the team he is not playing to his typical level.  He is building a house in Nashville and you wonder if complacency crept in.  

 

Oh no denying the value in versatile grinders. I just think the term doesn't make a lot of sense. But if the GM and agent agree, so be it.

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