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[Proposal] TOR needs defense, VAN could use a 1st round pick

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To TOR: Tanev (50% retained), Stecher

 

To VAN: Ceci, 2020 1st (conditional*)

* if TOR's 2020 1st goes to Carolina from the Marleau deal, then this pick becomes a 2021 1st + a 2020 7th

 

Reilly and Muzzin are on LTIR. They could be out for another 8 weeks. TOR desperately needs some defensemen in the mean time because they have to stay in the playoff race if they want to be cup contenders this season. They have given away 27 goals in the last 5 games. This deal gives them two Dmen for $4.55m, which is very close to the same cap hit as Ceci $4.5m. Stecher is as good as Ceci, so this is like getting Tanev for no cap hit. This is critical because TOR are in a cap crunch.

 

Tanev and Stech should go a long way to keeping TOR in the playoff race until their injured Dmen return. The deal also doesn't commit either party long term as Tanev and Stecher are UFA and RFA next season. 

 

Once Reilly and Muzzin return to the lineup TOR will have the following D lines for the playoffs, which is a significant upgrade and gives them a better shot at the cup:

 

Reilly Tanev

Muzzin Stecher

Dermott Barrie

(Marincin Holl)

 

VAN takes the risk that they can still make the playoffs with the following defense corps:

 

Edler Myers

Hughes Ceci

Fantenberg Benn

(Teves Rafferty)

 

JB speaks with Tanev prior to the deal and makes it clear that this deal is about giving Tanev a shot at a cup in his hometown, and that VAN would love to resign him as a UFA next season. Very likely Tanev doesn't list TOR on his 8 team "no trade" list.

Say the same to Stecher that we would love to have him back next season, although it is more likely that VAN will not be able to afford Stecher's RFA price tag, and we likely resign Tryamkin and Fantenberg instead next season.

 

Canucks D for next season:

 

Edler Myers

Hughes Tanev

Benn Tryamkin

(Fantenberg Rafferty)

Edited by BigTramFan
Don't want to sound "obsessed" about getting a 1st round pick back...
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We don't need a 1st rounder. At all. It'd be nice though, but Benning won't rush a move just to acquire one, especially at the TDL. 

Your trade also decimates our defensive core. No thank you. I personally don't like Tanev, but to get rid of 2/3 of our RHD is baffling at best. Ceci doesn't make up for losing Stecher, let alone Tanev. 

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We aren’t trading away roster players while it is almost certain we are in a playoff race.

We are the top team in our division based on winning percentage so currently have the best chance of making the playoffs of any team in the division.

Trading Tanev makes us worse and playoff experience is more important to us than a 1st round pick somewhere in the late half of the round.

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The only D-Man Toronto will give up a 1st rounder for that the Canucks has is Quinn Hughes. 

No other d-man (regardless of what package if it doesn't involve Horvat, Boeser, Petterson, or even Miller) will make Toronto give up a 1st 

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If Canucks were way out of contention, then sure.  But they are in it. It's a tight race in the Pacific.   JB and Aquaman are wanting to make the playoffs this year.   I don't think they would want to take such a gamble. 

 

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7 hours ago, -AJ- said:

IMO, trading Tanev and only getting as much as Ceci in returns mean kissing our playoff hopes goodbye. We're not in a position to be giving up good roster players for draft picks--we're not a trash team anymore and should be keeping these guys in most scenarios to push for the playoffs.

I'd be fine with retaining 1/2 on Benn or Stecher and getting a 2nd out of TO. Two 2nds in 2020 would help a lot to make up for the loss of the late 1st if we make the playoffs. 

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Not a chance.

 

Not going to help T.O. out by giving them a top pairing D for nothing like the OP suggests (a draft pick does not help us at all for years).

 

Plus, Hughes plays a great game with Tanev.  

 

Not a good trade proposal at all.  All it does is leaves the Canucks weaker on D.

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If the Canucks were a tanking team, then by all means they could explore trading some D for picks. But they're trying to make the playoffs, and if they get in, they'll need the D depth.

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8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'd be fine with retaining 1/2 on Benn or Stecher and getting a 2nd out of TO. Two 2nds in 2020 would help a lot to make up for the loss of the late 1st if we make the playoffs. 

I'd be "okay" with moving one of our bottom pairing to get an asset out of Dubas, but Benning has shown to be pretty conservative in making roster moves without direct replacements available.  Rafferty had only two NHL games so far, but definitely showed in his second one that he was a fast-adapter to the pro game, and likewise has done the same in Utica.  Perhaps they're confident enough to bring him up and between him and Fantenberg that they can cover 14-16 min per game.  And there is still big NT on the horizon.  Others like Brisebois could also be brought in, as they must figure he is near-ready by now.

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3 hours ago, iinatcc said:

The only D-Man Toronto will give up a 1st rounder for that the Canucks has is Quinn Hughes. 

No other d-man (regardless of what package if it doesn't involve Horvat, Boeser, Petterson, or even Miller) will make Toronto give up a 1st 

Oh, I think Tanev, Stetcher, and Pods would do it quite easily.  Edit: :lol:

 

Edit. I guess I should explain better. This is a response to the poster indicated by ... well responding.

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Like others have said, we are not tanking and we are in a position to develop our young core. Getting a player who may help in a couple of years is not a priority. These core guys need experience and playoff experience and we need players who can assist with that. We are not Edmonton and we have support built around our young guys for their development. We`re good. ::D

Oh yeah and H3LL NO on helping Toronto in ANY WAY!!!!

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6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Oh, I think Tanev, Stetcher, and Pods would do it quite easily.

Why would the Canucks do that?

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4 minutes ago, gurn said:

Why would the Canucks do that?

They wouldn't but the poster suggested no trade would get a first out of Toronto except Hughes. That's totally incorrect.

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Toronto ML does not have a 1st round pick in this draft, it belongs to Carolina Hurricanes

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7 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

To TOR: Tanev (50% retained), Stecher

 

To VAN: Ceci, 2020 1st (conditional*)

* if TOR's 2020 1st goes to Carolina from the Marleau deal, then this pick becomes a 2021 1st + a 2020 7th

 

Reilly and Muzzin are on LTIR. They could be out for another 8 weeks. TOR desperately needs some defensemen in the mean time because they have to stay in the playoff race if they want to be cup contenders this season. They have given away 27 goals in the last 5 games. This deal gives them two Dmen for $4.55m, which is very close to the same cap hit as Ceci $4.5m. Stecher is as good as Ceci, so this is like getting Tanev for no cap hit. This is critical because TOR are in a cap crunch.

 

Tanev and Stech should go a long way to keeping TOR in the playoff race until their injured Dmen return. The deal also doesn't commit either party long term as Tanev and Stecher are UFA and RFA next season. 

 

Once Reilly and Muzzin return to the lineup TOR will have the following D lines for the playoffs, which is a significant upgrade and gives them a better shot at the cup:

 

Reilly Tanev

Muzzin Stecher

Dermott Barrie

(Marincin Holl)

 

VAN takes the risk that they can still make the playoffs with the following defense corps:

 

Edler Myers

Hughes Ceci

Fantenberg Benn

(Teves Rafferty)

 

JB speaks with Tanev prior to the deal and makes it clear that this deal is about giving Tanev a shot at a cup in his hometown, and that VAN would love to resign him as a UFA next season. Very likely Tanev doesn't list TOR on his 8 team "no trade" list.

Say the same to Stecher that we would love to have him back next season, although it is more likely that VAN will not be able to afford Stecher's RFA price tag, and we likely resign Tryamkin and Fantenberg instead next season.

 

Canucks D for next season:

 

Edler Myers

Hughes Tanev

Benn Tryamkin

(Fantenberg Rafferty)

#1, we're not trading Tanev when we're pushing for the playoffs

#2, Toronto likely doesn't have their 2020 1st

#3, See #1

#4, We don't want to help Toronto

#5, See #1 and #4

#6, See all above.

 

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7 hours ago, -AJ- said:

IMO, trading Tanev and only getting as much as Ceci in returns mean kissing our playoff hopes goodbye. We're not in a position to be giving up good roster players for draft picks--we're not a trash team anymore and should be keeping these guys in most scenarios to push for the playoffs.

Why is making the playoffs so important? To loose in the first round? I think its more important to have a 1st round pick and whatever we can do to get short of loosing any core players, I support

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1 hour ago, Gaudette Celly said:

I'd be "okay" with moving one of our bottom pairing to get an asset out of Dubas, but Benning has shown to be pretty conservative in making roster moves without direct replacements available.  Rafferty had only two NHL games so far, but definitely showed in his second one that he was a fast-adapter to the pro game, and likewise has done the same in Utica.  Perhaps they're confident enough to bring him up and between him and Fantenberg that they can cover 14-16 min per game.  And there is still big NT on the horizon.  Others like Brisebois could also be brought in, as they must figure he is near-ready by now.

thats why one of Benn or Stech would be fine. If its Stecher, Benn can play the right side, or Fantenberg actually. If its Benn being moved, we've got Fantenberg, Sautner, Breisbois and maybe even Juolev by the end of the year. 

 

Benning was in Utica last week so I'm sure he was assessing the readiness of the AHL group. 

 

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As long as we are in the playoff race, we won't trade anyone to lose assets for now....

 

Only person that may be out is Benn as Fantenberg plays better imo

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