KirkSave Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I know there has been some talk about zucker joining our top 6 but if we think we are going to make the playoffs and actually win a round or two, a player like Chris Kreider would fill out our top 6. He adds speed, grit, size and finish. Not sure if this proposal would be realistic but to try and nab Kreider for the playoff push I would offer: Sutter Goldy Demko or 2nd rounder in 2021 or both (whichever they prefer). I for one would be hesitant to move Demko but Markie's play this year has only solidified his place in the game as a top flight tender. for Kreider 5th round pick We get a great piece to add to our puzzle. Sutter and Goldy get fresh starts and even though Canucks likely wouldn't be able to re-sign Kreider it could be worth our while. Potential Playoff Lineup if I were Green: Miller Petey Boeser Kreider Bo Pearson Rousell Gaudette Virt Motte Beagle Erickson extras: Leivo, Schaller, Ferland (health?) Hughes Tanev Edler Stecher Fantenberg Myers extras: Benn, Sautner I think other teams will be able to offer more to the NYR and would be willing to do so. Lots of teams in the playoff hunt this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Rather go offer the devils a second rounder plus throw in for cap wise for Simmonds with retained salary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Rangers are probably the last team in the entire NHL that would want Demko as they have 2 really young up and coming goalies and Lundqvist. If the Canucks want any shot at Kreider you're starting with a 1st and Virtanen. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) exactly why does nyr listen to that proposal? they have a very good up and coming goalie already they want our crumbs and fringe players? and where is the conditional extra consideration if he re-signs with the nucks isn't that a usual part of any rental player trade ? Edited January 18, 2020 by coastal.view 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 No to any and all rental proposals that'll cost us picks, prospects and/or young roster players. We're not there yet people, no need to mortgage the future. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1. We dont have cap, and i dont see Benning pulling off some strong handed cap shedding move. 2. A 28year old Kreider is going for a 1st at the TDL which beats out the pieces you have proposed; and on top of that you want NYR to take Sutter's as a cap dump? 3. We would be without 1st/2nd round picks for the next 2 years. Contenders with a good core does this by trying to get on top to win a Stanley Cup. We are selling out our future because we want to make the playoffs and may be win a round or 2.... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I think Kreider would be my top forward target if we want to try and distance ourselves from the rest of the group. NYR are good for goalies though so they wouldn’t want or need Demko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Wilbur said: Rangers are probably the last team in the entire NHL that would want Demko as they have 2 really young up and coming goalies and Lundqvist. If the Canucks want any shot at Kreider you're starting with a 1st and Virtanen. Kreider is not a guy we want. He’s a head down, low IQ player. He doesn’t pass well, and is not in any way a thinking player. JB is way too smart a hockey mind to give up any assets for such a one dimensional cabbage brain as Krudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Wilbur said: If the Canucks want any shot at Kreider you're starting with a 1st and Virtanen. If that's the case, I would pass on Kreider. Virtanen is still progressing, is younger and more affordable. Plus, a 1st is steep considering we gave one up for Miller but that has paid off big time and will continue to do so! I agree with other posters in terms of that we are not 'there' yet when it comes to being contenders for the cup but we are certainly at the spot where we are a team pushing to make the playoffs. I was just curious as to what fellow fans would consider we would need to do to make Kreider a Canuck because I think he will be very valuable to the team he ends up playing for come spring. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, KirkSave said: If that's the case, I would pass on Kreider. Virtanen is still progressing, is younger and more affordable. Plus, a 1st is steep considering we gave one up for Miller but that has paid off big time and will continue to do so! I agree with other posters in terms of that we are not 'there' yet when it comes to being contenders for the cup but we are certainly at the spot where we are a team pushing to make the playoffs. I was just curious as to what fellow fans would consider we would need to do to make Kreider a Canuck because I think he will be very valuable to the team he ends up playing for come spring. Cheers! Kreider, as I pointed out before, is not a guy who fits well into our current team. Miller is WAY BETTER, because he plays a smart game. Virtanen is right now a better player than Kreider. I am certain JB is not interested in Kreider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) How about we just be patient and eventually dump the boat anchor contracts. Off the books by the end of 2021 are: Sutter Schaller Leivo Baer and the Spooner and Luongo penalties. That's $10.7 million off the book. You can add another $6 million if we can get someone to take over for Edler. Bottom line is when Eriksson is off the books as well. We will be relying on Benning's drafting of forwards and defence to keep costs down, to pay for guys like EP40. So it's suicide to trade our youth now. And we'd be lucky if someone takes guys like Sutter off our hands. Edited January 18, 2020 by Ghostsof1915 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 6 million isn’t enough to get a guy to take over for Edler via free agency. All that gets you is Myers who is a #4. You really have to overpay to get anybody of value as a UFA as pretty much all teams would be looking to add such a player this way in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) I like Kreider 6'2, 220, 28 power forward should be a 25 G - 55 point producer.. Like several other post NYR don't need Demko they would want a big Jake 22, 6'1, 220 lbs lots of speed a very soon could be your regular 22-25 G producer.. NYR - would want 1st rounder and at least Jake 22 --- I say big no to any trade like this, stay on path Jake could be better then Kreider very soon and Jake is 6 yrs younger.. Don't want to trade away anymore 1st rounders ... Edited January 18, 2020 by wildcam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Who plays goal if Marky gets sick or hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulashaker Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Look there is no doubt Kreider would fit great either on 1st or 2nd line in Vancouver for numerous reasons . He would certainly benefit because of those complementary aspects. BUT ...you all are way overvaluing him as if he is a superstar like Hall or something ...the most the guy has ever hit is 57 pts in his entire career. He is a 30 to 50 pt guy that could perhaps increase on one of Vancouvers top lines. Enough with the 1st round picks with top prospect and a stud player $&!# . You are all nuts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulashaker Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Jake Virtanen is on pace to be on par with kreider this season and is younger a better 200 foot player that is excelling in growth every season and out values Kreider alone . Stecher. Baertchi Leivo OR Ferland Leivo Baertchi 3rd in 2021 For Kreider 3rd in 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Who here likes Petey? I love Petey ! & i almost reached through my big screen when kreider elbowed Petey and broke his nose. Krieder will never be on the Canucks as long as Petey is here. GMJB is a smart hockey man, do you really think he will do what Edmonton did to mcdavid by acquiring brandon (POS) Manning. Edited January 26, 2020 by GhostsOf1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Kulashaker said: Jake Virtanen is on pace to be on par with kreider this season and is younger a better 200 foot player that is excelling in growth every season and out values Kreider alone . Stecher. Baertchi Leivo OR Ferland Leivo Baertchi 3rd in 2021 For Kreider 3rd in 2020 Neither of those packages get Kreider. He’s the top player rumoured to be available. If anyone is bringing in a 1st +. It’s him. New York is not taking a bunch of spare parts for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) On 1/17/2020 at 8:09 PM, KirkSave said: Sutter Goldy Demko or 2nd rounder in 2021 or both (whichever they prefer). I for one would be hesitant to move Demko but Markie's play this year has only solidified his place in the game as a top flight tender. for Kreider 5th round pick Kreider is 6'3" 220 and on pace for 55 points. He gets at least a 1st round pick and a good prospect. A 2nd rounder won't do it. Sutter, some believe, is just a cap dump. Goldy is a throw away prospect AHL player at this point. Your offer for Kreider is crap...no offence. Edited January 27, 2020 by Kanukfanatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Sutter, some believe, is just a cap dump. Goldy is a throw away prospect AHL player at this point. Your offer for Kreider is crap...no offence. For us Sutter is a cap dump. For some teams who could be a very effective 3rd line center (when healthy). Goldy is not a throw away prospect. He has elite play making ability and was very good at times in a top 6 role with us but never found consistency in his game and Green now has other, heavier options, which is his preference. Demko is a very good goalie with a small NHL sample size but many around the league project him to be a starter. If Marky wasn't playing lights out this year and the Pacific so tight, you can bet Demko would be getting more looks. Krieder is a rental, so not sure he is worth a 1st rounder for us. I offered a 2nd because we don't have a 1st this year if we make the playoffs. Not only that, the return for an elite player like Taylor Hall, former MVP only fetched one 1st round pick and no conditional ones should he resign with the coyotes. Also, if they fail to make the playoffs that 1st round pick goes back to Arizona should they fall in the 1-3 spot. I feel this deal is sort of a precedent for what teams will pay at the deadline. It's possible Krieder will get a 1st if there are many teams interested. However, he may not get the NYR a 1st. Other teams might look elsewhere. I never said, this is the best offer we could give to get Krieder. Just a proposal to get the conversation rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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