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41 minutes ago, stawns said:

People seem to be pinning hopes on herd immunity and there is no evidence that we get any kind of long term immunity after infection. It'll likely keep coming back as long as it has hosts

I think it's a combination of things.

 

1) Slim hope on 'herd immunity'

2) Delaying it as much as possible to not only give time to find a vaccine and/or relieve stress on hospitals/healthcare workers.  Kind of like Ali's 'rope a dope' strategy against Foreman

3) Or anything else I haven't mentioned.

 

As with most things in life, so simple answer.

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Ontario doesn’t pull over anyone with five or less people anymore.

 

People are driving responsibly. But there’s always that invincible guy flaunting his wheels at high speed.

 

But the OPP is very lax right now.

 

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25 minutes ago, spur1 said:

You can and I have however should you get in an accident you open a whole can of worms. 

Yea I didn't think about that....

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35 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Shocking Expose Proves Thousands Of COVID-19 Deaths Have Gone Uncounted In The US

Two reporters from the New York Times purport to have found evidence that health officials, often at the local or county level, are dramatically undercounting coronavirus deaths in the US. Citing information and documents provided by "doctors, hospital officials, public health experts and medical examiners," among others, the reporters claim that potentially thousands of deaths have gone uncounted, meaning the total is probably closer to 20k - or beyond - than the roughly 10k (9,180, per JHU) reported so far.

 
 

Unfortunately, since the patients have died, there will be few - if any - opportunities for these discrepancies to be rectified, if coronavirus isn't listed as a cause of death, something that requires a positive test.

 

Given the shortage of tests around the US, living patients have typically been prioritized over the deceased, even as counting posthumous deaths is important in helping officials get the accurate data they need to fight the virus.

 

A lot of the most compelling anecdotes in the report came from coroners, and from families like this one, per the NYT:

As the coronavirus outbreak began sweeping across the country last month, Julio Ramirez, a 43-year-old salesman in San Gabriel, Calif., came home from a business trip and began feeling unwell, suffering from a fever, cough and body aches. By the next day, he had lost his sense of taste and smell.

His wife, Julie Murillo, took him to an urgent care clinic several days later, where he was so weak he had to be pushed in a wheelchair. Doctors prescribed antibiotics, a cough syrup and gave him a chest X-ray, but they did not test for the coronavirus, she said. Just over a week after he returned from his trip and not long after President Trump declared a national emergency over the outbreak, Ms. Murillo found him dead in his bed.

"I kept trying to get him tested from the beginning," Ms. Murillo said in an interview. "They told me no."
Frustrated, Ms. Murillo enlisted friends to call the C.D.C. on her behalf, asking for her husband to be tested for the coronavirus post-mortem. Then she hired a private company to conduct an autopsy; the owner pleaded for a coronavirus test from local and federal authorities.

On Saturday afternoon, Ms. Murillo received a call from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, she said. The health department had gone to the funeral home where her husband’s body was resting and taken a sample for a coronavirus test. He tested positive.

A spokesman for the health department did not respond to questions about Mr. Ramirez, and it was not clear whether any systematic post-mortem testing was being conducted beyond his case.

 

Even Johns Hopkins University agreed that deaths are almost certainly being undercounted: "We definitely think there are deaths that we have not accounted for," said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. JHU has been tracking the virus from the beginning, maintaining an online database that has become one of the most trusted and widely-cited sources of data on deaths and cases by the press around the world.

Pink got tested, not once but twice.  The not so rich or not connected don't get tested unless you are already half dead.

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37 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Shocking Expose Proves Thousands Of COVID-19 Deaths Have Gone Uncounted In The US

Two reporters from the New York Times purport to have found evidence that health officials, often at the local or county level, are dramatically undercounting coronavirus deaths in the US. Citing information and documents provided by "doctors, hospital officials, public health experts and medical examiners," among others, the reporters claim that potentially thousands of deaths have gone uncounted, meaning the total is probably closer to 20k - or beyond - than the roughly 10k (9,180, per JHU) reported so far.

 
 

Unfortunately, since the patients have died, there will be few - if any - opportunities for these discrepancies to be rectified, if coronavirus isn't listed as a cause of death, something that requires a positive test.

 

Given the shortage of tests around the US, living patients have typically been prioritized over the deceased, even as counting posthumous deaths is important in helping officials get the accurate data they need to fight the virus.

 

A lot of the most compelling anecdotes in the report came from coroners, and from families like this one, per the NYT:

As the coronavirus outbreak began sweeping across the country last month, Julio Ramirez, a 43-year-old salesman in San Gabriel, Calif., came home from a business trip and began feeling unwell, suffering from a fever, cough and body aches. By the next day, he had lost his sense of taste and smell.

His wife, Julie Murillo, took him to an urgent care clinic several days later, where he was so weak he had to be pushed in a wheelchair. Doctors prescribed antibiotics, a cough syrup and gave him a chest X-ray, but they did not test for the coronavirus, she said. Just over a week after he returned from his trip and not long after President Trump declared a national emergency over the outbreak, Ms. Murillo found him dead in his bed.

"I kept trying to get him tested from the beginning," Ms. Murillo said in an interview. "They told me no."
Frustrated, Ms. Murillo enlisted friends to call the C.D.C. on her behalf, asking for her husband to be tested for the coronavirus post-mortem. Then she hired a private company to conduct an autopsy; the owner pleaded for a coronavirus test from local and federal authorities.

On Saturday afternoon, Ms. Murillo received a call from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, she said. The health department had gone to the funeral home where her husband’s body was resting and taken a sample for a coronavirus test. He tested positive.

A spokesman for the health department did not respond to questions about Mr. Ramirez, and it was not clear whether any systematic post-mortem testing was being conducted beyond his case.

 

Even Johns Hopkins University agreed that deaths are almost certainly being undercounted: "We definitely think there are deaths that we have not accounted for," said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. JHU has been tracking the virus from the beginning, maintaining an online database that has become one of the most trusted and widely-cited sources of data on deaths and cases by the press around the world.

In the UK, at least for a while, only deaths that occurred within hospitals that were part of the NHS were being recorded as COVID-19 cases. Deaths in care facilities, personal residences, etc. were not counted. I don't necessarily think it is some big conspiracy, just that it is hard to get 50 States all on the same page with respect to how deaths are recorded.

 

Also makes sense to not waste a test on someone that is already deceased if there are few in supply... there will likely need to be a lot of retrospective studies to figure out what the actual mortality rate is. Hard to do this in real time. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats correct, the N95s are all polymer based other than the aluminum nose clip: https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1425070O/3m-particulate-respirator-8210-n95-technical-specifications.pdf

 

Canada does have polymer film manufacturing capacity and a textile industry so hopefully we see some out our own manufacturing of respirators soon.

 

There's a local BC company called Mustang Survival that i've heard is working on a reusable gowns, and a university out east working on a respirator adapted from fire fighting equipment. 

Thank you for this. I too had a read an article in the Globe and Mail that said the Pulp in N95 masks came exclusively from a mill in Nanaimo. This demonstrates that’s not true, and I shouldn’t believe everything I read, even from a legitimate source, as they don’t seem to fact check everything anymore.

 

I have seen instances of pulp being made into a resin that can be used in a 3D printer to make strands. I’m not sure if that’s a type of polymer (I know they can occur naturally). FP Innovations, who I believe have a facility in Vancouver, do a lot of this type of work/research, on new Forestry industries, other than the traditional logging. If anyone is interested, lol

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2 hours ago, Canadian said:

Once the peak is managed. Probably shut down until June. Open for July, August and maybe September, and then if it rears its ugly head again in the fall, back to shut down again (maybe), unless there are better healthcare systems in place by that time (ICUs better equipped; more healthcare professionals, etc.)

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Some of the language from Henry/Dix has been suggestive of this from a best case standpoint. Even the other day she made mention that there's some evidence that may indicate a seasonal, warmer temperature component to the virus stalling.

 

Also, I think they know it's going to be incredibly difficult to keep people inside once the full blown summer hits.

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Some of the language from Henry/Dix has been suggestive of this from a best case standpoint. Even the other day she made mention that there's some evidence that may indicate a seasonal, warmer temperature component to the virus stalling.

 

Also, I think they know it's going to be incredibly difficult to keep people inside once the full blown summer hits.

Then why does it show up in warm climates?

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29 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

In the UK, at least for a while, only deaths that occurred within hospitals that were part of the NHS were being recorded as COVID-19 cases. Deaths in care facilities, personal residences, etc. were not counted. I don't necessarily think it is some big conspiracy, just that it is hard to get 50 States all on the same page with respect to how deaths are recorded.

 

Also makes sense to not waste a test on someone that is already deceased if there are few in supply... there will likely need to be a lot of retrospective studies to figure out what the actual mortality rate is. Hard to do this in real time. 

Which makes sense.  Of course it's fine if the western world does it, but if China does it, everybody jumps on it like they're the only ones underreporting :rolleyes:

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Boris Johnson Admitted to Hospital for Tests

 

I don’t like their numbers.


The UK’s “confirmed cases” only include the hospitalized. 
 

4,934 dead
135 recovered

 

Sounds like The hospital is the end of the line.

Not good odds

 

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6 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Which makes sense.  Of course it's fine if the western world does it, but if China does it, everybody jumps on it like they're the only ones underreporting :rolleyes:

IMHO (and it's just *my* opinion) that would be like comparing Corey Perry & Brad Marchand as the same type of player.  Both agitators but one tries to actually hurt people physically.  I'd actually view Russia as an even more extreme example of 'altering reality'.

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Posted (edited)

UK PM Johnson admitted to hospital with persistent coronavirus symptoms
 

Link

 

edit: apologies... I used a new app to link this..which is crap. Will update unless someone does it first.

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2 hours ago, BPA said:

Not about putting lives at risk.  But just remember how the current USA is like and maybe next time we shouldn't be so accommodating.

yup. We need to have a long memory on this one. 

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1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

I honestly wish that less energy attention was focused on pointing fingers, looking for blame and, as a result, looking backward.  It changes nothing....what's done is done.  Facing forward and ensuring future measures are securely in place seems more valuable and a better use of energy and effort.

 

I mean, there likely ARE lies/deceit/etc. taking place but what's the value right now in wasting resources on "figuring it out".  Focus on getting this thing under control THEN sort out who did what and why.

Totally agree. I'm honestly confused as to why so many seem obsessed with getting "the real numbers"....

 

The reality is, It's not good and everyone should act accordingly for the forseeable future. What else do we really need to know?

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I think its really morbid to want to know the actual numbers, just focus on yourself and family and make sure u are washing ur hands and staying 2m away from everyone ..

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48 minutes ago, arsenalian said:

Thank you for this. I too had a read an article in the Globe and Mail that said the Pulp in N95 masks came exclusively from a mill in Nanaimo. This demonstrates that’s not true, and I shouldn’t believe everything I read, even from a legitimate source, as they don’t seem to fact check everything anymore.

 

I have seen instances of pulp being made into a resin that can be used in a 3D printer to make strands. I’m not sure if that’s a type of polymer (I know they can occur naturally). FP Innovations, who I believe have a facility in Vancouver, do a lot of this type of work/research, on new Forestry industries, other than the traditional logging. If anyone is interested, lol

it literally took me 20 seconds to find the N95 mask specification. You'd think a journalist could do the same :picard: but they want to get us even more angry and mistakenly give us an idea that we can cut off the material to make it. I really hate it when the media plays us like that. 

 

I suspect the forestry guys have a lot of good ideas on masks. 

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4 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

IMHO (and it's just *my* opinion) that would be like comparing Corey Perry & Brad Marchand as the same type of player.  Both agitators but one tries to actually hurt people physically.  

Absolutely, no comparison IMO...

Corey Perry never thrusted and kissed an imaginary cup after the fact........... in Vancouver. One year after..... 

 

Regardless of how the perceived evolution of the RAT has benefited RAT Boy, and his career. I admit, he has become an amazing RAT player on an amazingly RAT team. Able to RAT his way into the top scoring specialists, LOL.... but still... is a fcking RAT

 

Corey Perry, OTOH, is just a douche bag.... 

 

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it literally took me 20 seconds to find the N95 mask specification. You'd think a journalist could do the same :picard: but they want to get us even more angry and mistakenly give us an idea that we can cut off the material to make it. I really hate it when the media plays us like that. 

 

I suspect the forestry guys have a lot of good ideas on masks. 

What do you mean on the last line? Like how to make them? Or what we use in process plants? 

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