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4 hours ago, Fan since 82 said:

Not a chance. There's a very rigorous and long process to get drugs/vaccines approved for humans and it won't be done by September. They can't and won't compromise this process. They might be saying September, but there's zero chance of it happening.

Vaccine, not a chance.  Better drugs to fight the disease and maybe help prevent it possibly, maybe.  But yea a vaccine for humans takes 12-18 months before its approved, no way we are anywhere near that any time soon. 

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11 hours ago, Me_ said:

Golf; the sport of Social Isolation
 

Only time I don't socially isolate when playing golf is when we all tee off.  Then after that I am walking to the fairway on the right everytime away from everyone else until we meet up at the cup again lol.

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1 minute ago, Russ said:

Only time I don't socially isolate when playing golf is when we all tee off.  Then after that I am walking to the fairway on the right everytime away from everyone else until we meet up at the cup again lol.

Idk. The beer cart girl is a popular place too lol.

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22 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Idk. The beer cart girl is a popular place too lol.

I don't play on fancy enough courses to get a beer cart girl haha.  

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5 hours ago, Fan since 82 said:

Not a chance. There's a very rigorous and long process to get drugs/vaccines approved for humans and it won't be done by September. They can't and won't compromise this process. They might be saying September, but there's zero chance of it happening.

Who needs a vaccine?  Just use the miracle malaria cure.  Bone Spurs told Ray Electrode that.

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5 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I gave you a beer on this post..it was very well articulated.....by the way, I like our hockey posts

 

This all started earlier when, a poster wrote that he had mention to a couple that they should only have one in shopping and another poster said that he should just have minded his own business...…...I am pretty sure you agreed with the guy minding his own buisness

 

I worked as a Patrol boat captain for the Port ...….I did shore line enforcement as part of my duties, so I am more black and white on those types of things. My general feeling is if people use common sense and common courtesies, most problems would not occur.

 

So, for people that want to go into stores together, it is not that I am totally against it, but rather that if it is a busy store, one should figure out that they do not need to be in the store and can wait outside. To me, if it is 10 minutes before closing time and a couple enter an empty store, well then who cares. No harm, no foul.

 

But, as I think of you as an intelligent person (and I do), I think you should be able to grasp that it is better to stay outside and wait. These are strange times, and there are just so many people that are on the edge. Mental health is being tested, and again I think you know that. So I expect that those that have a strong constitution and awareness, be able to again, figure out that it is better not to go inside if busy.

 

I eventually found one of the last pair of running shoes in town in Walmart and what I notice was a family of kids, sitting in a car with their Dad, He was aware that it would not be a good thing to load them into the store. The wife went in alone. I applaud that.

 

Now, a related story is my tenant downstairs, is a very nice, awkward and timid man. He gets flustered in crowded places, and you will find that when these times present themselves, he will simply not go in, because it stresses him. Now, he does not have a car either, and he has no one else to go in for him, so he waits, sometimes for several hours to find a time that is less busy, and when he has settled down. This man is gold! and he never complains, but I see how it affects his life…..it is hard not to emphasize with him.

 

So, I have pretty strong feelings on the subject. As an past enforcement officer, I hate bullies, and hate people that push their rights, at the expense of others. When common courtesy would do wonders and resolve many issues.

 

I recognise I am not the law on here, and I don't want to be. And I like you as a poster. But I will call an ace and ace and a spade a spade when I see it. 

 

PS..I was a very sickly, scrawny kid, and was bullied a lot until I started boxing, and putting on weight. I hate bullies, and inconsiderate people, who do mean things just because they think they have the right to. It is probably why I got into the field I did. I fight for the underdog in my life today, and if raining or not busy will stop to let a pedestrian walk across the road, no because I had to, but because I am sitting in a nice heated car, and every second they wait, they get wetter. I think my mom and dad raise me proper, and taught me we. Not that I am anywhere close to perfect.

 

I am basically finished with this convo. I don't expect you  to change your mind, but I am absolutely not changing mine.

 

Peace and stay heathy

We're on the same page that people shouldn't break recommendations for no good reason. 

 

The reason why I'm more on the "give people the benefit of the doubt" side of things is because I don't feel we should just be going around and assuming what everyone's situations are, that they're merely being inconsiderate bullies towards their fellow community members. You seem to want to call them out without knowing their situations, but hopefully you can see now that you can easily assume the wrong thing when your assumptions are based deeply in your emotional triggers towards those you think are against you, as you did towards me. I prefer the seek to understand approach. 

 

FTR, I was bullied my whole younger years as well, but being bullied doesn't give us the right to then become the bully enforcers at a time like this. If anything it should give us the ability to be more considerate, even towards those we presumptively assume are flaunting the rules. If you haven't ever heard the commencement speech by the late author David Foster Wallace This Is Water, give it a listen on Youtube. I think it's applicable in many ways here, and it's a very good speech. It's about being aware and considerate to those around us, which you and me and others are doing, but that we're not perfect all the time, as you know, and we constantly have to remind ourselves that the world is not actually out to get us personally, even when it can feel that way at times. Every one of us could use the reminder from time to time. We all have our own things going on and reasons for our actions, so taking the benefit of the doubt side of things can help bring us together. 

 

Lastly, and I don't want to continue this conversation after this either, but please do think twice about what it would be like if we all were just going to call an ace an ace. If we all were going to, well, then expect others to do the same to you, such as you shouldn't go golfing and break that recommendation not to, or you shouldn't go to buy shoes and only shoes at one time because you're breaking the recommendation to not go out more than you have to (remember, you could've killed two birds with one stone and got groceries at the same time). Imagine if someone came up to you and called you out when you were going from store to store looking for shoes what that situation would look like. I'm guessing there could've been yelling and swearing, etc. Is that what we want or need during this? I personally don't think so. Situations are never simply black and white, as we have both described with our "breaking of the rules", so maybe giving people the benefit of the doubt is the way to go. 

 

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If someone is simply being a selfish POS and actually not giving two craps about the recommendations, well, screw them and their republican ways. Make some complaints, call a bylaw officer, write to a newspaper, etc. Anyways, this is water, this is water. Cheers.

 

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6 hours ago, Fan since 82 said:

Not a chance. There's a very rigorous and long process to get drugs/vaccines approved for humans and it won't be done by September. They can't and won't compromise this process. They might be saying September, but there's zero chance of it happening.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I can see governments, cdc, who, etc ramming this through as quickly as possible.

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13 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

they are opening some golf courses here on the Island.

 

Love golf but I don't know what to think about that.

 

Not sure if it's not a bit too soon. 

I've been golfing here in the LML for the past few weeks.  Courses are doing a good job of providing for social distancing.  No congregating before/after the game, one person at a time in the proshop, restaurant facilities are closed, constant reminders on the loudspeakers, course marshalls driving around and reinforcing on the course.  After that like everywhere else its up to the individual.  Have to say for me it's been a boon for my mental health as it's the only opportunity I have to have actual face to face conversations with people.  I live alone and the social isolation can wear thin.  The additional opportunity for exercise is good as well.  Courses have removed any touchpoints like rakes, no touching the flag.  In terms of risk I'd say it's pretty low, but can see where the optics may be problematic.  

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7 hours ago, Fan since 82 said:

Not a chance. There's a very rigorous and long process to get drugs/vaccines approved for humans and it won't be done by September. They can't and won't compromise this process. They might be saying September, but there's zero chance of it happening.

On average 10-15 years of careful lab and clinical studies before widely available.  Rushing things can definitely affect the efficacy of these vaccines.  Antibody Dependant Enhancement vaccine is a big concern.  There are lots of articles on this, with one example being a vaccine developed for Dengue fever.  

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7 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Stop with the CCP propaganda already. The most affected states with the worst Wuhan virus problem have no incentive to minimize numbers, most of which are Democrat and have three huge reasons to maximize numbers - more money from the federal government, more resources from the federal government, and it would embarrass a Trump, the primary wet dream of all Democrats.

lol nothing to do with CCP propaganda, not that the Americian propaganda machine is that far off. All I am saying is that that graph has a sudden halt to the trend at around 30K, which is caused by something. Like I said, it could be availability of number of tests each day. However, I also think it is feasible that the american administration would do everything they could to keep numbers lower to help the maintain public confidence in the economy (Trump's golden ticket). Not saying that it is happening, but I wouldn't put it past him.

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2 hours ago, Jester13 said:

We're on the same page that people shouldn't break recommendations for no good reason. 

 

The reason why I'm more on the "give people the benefit of the doubt" side of things is because I don't feel we should just be going around and assuming what everyone's situations are, that they're merely being inconsiderate bullies towards their fellow community members. You seem to want to call them out without knowing their situations, but hopefully you can see now that you can easily assume the wrong thing when your assumptions are based deeply in your emotional triggers towards those you think are against you, as you did towards me. I prefer the seek to understand approach. 

 

FTR, I was bullied my whole younger years as well, but being bullied doesn't give us the right to then become the bully enforcers at a time like this. If anything it should give us the ability to be more considerate, even towards those we presumptively assume are flaunting the rules. If you haven't ever heard the commencement speech by the late author David Foster Wallace This Is Water, give it a listen on Youtube. I think it's applicable in many ways here, and it's a very good speech. It's about being aware and considerate to those around us, which you and me and others are doing, but that we're not perfect all the time, as you know, and we constantly have to remind ourselves that the world is not actually out to get us personally, even when it can feel that way at times. Every one of us could use the reminder from time to time. We all have our own things going on and reasons for our actions, so taking the benefit of the doubt side of things can help bring us together. 

 

Lastly, and I don't want to continue this conversation after this either, but please do think twice about what it would be like if we all were just going to call an ace an ace. If we all were going to, well, then expect others to do the same to you, such as you shouldn't go golfing and break that recommendation not to, or you shouldn't go to buy shoes and only shoes at one time because you're breaking the recommendation to not go out more than you have to (remember, you could've killed two birds with one stone and got groceries at the same time). Imagine if someone came up to you and called you out when you were going from store to store looking for shoes what that situation would look like. I'm guessing there could've been yelling and swearing, etc. Is that what we want or need during this? I personally don't think so. Situations are never simply black and white, as we have both described with our "breaking of the rules", so maybe giving people the benefit of the doubt is the way to go. 

 

P.S. 

If someone is simply being a selfish POS and actually not giving two craps about the recommendations, well, screw them and their republican ways. Make some complaints, call a bylaw officer, write to a newspaper, etc. Anyways, this is water, this is water. Cheers.

 

Thing is though, there's no questionnaire that determines this and we ALL have to follow the same rules in order to be effective.

 

We all have our stories and that's the open door that will allow this to spread unchecked.

 

I do think there are things to focus on....two people together in a store isn't one of them.  But a family of 5 with two adults all laughing and enjoying the outing is an issue.  One adult stays home with the kids, the other shops.

 

People like my neighbours who are flitting around the parking lot with friend/visitors like it's the new social club.  I see why they closed parking lots...it's an issue.

 

The personal space/social distancing too...no excuse for some idiot to come charging through that space.  I veer, weave, zig and zag to stay clear.  Others will occupy the space that I've just moved over into like their schedule is more important than our safety.

 

There are definitely reasons for some people to do things ... but there are none to avoid the guidelines in place to protect all of us.    

 

We have to err on the side of caution and be rigid versus lax.  For awhile anyhow.  Not forever.  We've been gifted the opportunity to do it on the honour system...yet some ruin that for the rest of us.

 

Look, I have a father who's managing on his own despite being nearly bed ridden.  It's horrible...I can't help him as I usually do but we're managing/struggling until it's deemed safe to do things differently.  Where there's a will there's a way.

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2 hours ago, John.Tallhouse said:

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Not for a full on "GO" deal.   To ease back in with social distancing and hand washing in place.  And if you dare sneeze/cough without covering your mouth we get to punch you in it.

 

This will be a different world for awhile...it has to be.  But that's ok because people are worth it.

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20 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Not for a full on "GO" deal.   To ease back in with social distancing and hand washing in place.  And if you dare sneeze/cough without covering your mouth we get to punch you in it.

 

This will be a different world for awhile...it has to be.  But that's ok because people are worth it.

Not much will change in BC, as most things have adapted and are still open, in some way 

 

I don't see them opening up anything that will encourage people congregating and certainly not for anything that encourages people outside the communities to come in for a visit.

 

It'll be surgeries to start, then who knows

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5 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

What still blows my mind is this situation is like you are on the Titanic. Once the ship has hit the iceberg. The lifeboats are the only real chance. But economists go on about getting back to business and work. There is an element of survival yes. We all want to survive. But you can throw all the money you want at the crewmen putting people in the lifeboats. Unless that's helping thier families, offering money is useless. 

What's all your money going to do when you are in the Atlantic in near freezing water?

 

Maybe this is a warning to the world. We've seen how fast once pollution stops how nature repairs itself. Maybe Mother Nature is giving us a last warning. To get our crap together and try making the world a better place for all. Not just the pursuit of wealth and power. 

That's a great analogy

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6 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

What still blows my mind is this situation is like you are on the Titanic. Once the ship has hit the iceberg. The lifeboats are the only real chance. But economists go on about getting back to business and work. There is an element of survival yes. We all want to survive. But you can throw all the money you want at the crewmen putting people in the lifeboats. Unless that's helping thier families, offering money is useless. 

What's all your money going to do when you are in the Atlantic in near freezing water?

 

Maybe this is a warning to the world. We've seen how fast once pollution stops how nature repairs itself. Maybe Mother Nature is giving us a last warning. To get our crap together and try making the world a better place for all. Not just the pursuit of wealth and power. 

I'm hoping that we all realize that economies, nations etc don't "need" to keep growing.  I'll never understand the concept of perpetual growth and expansion

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11 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'm hoping that we all realize that economies, nations etc don't "need" to keep growing.  I'll never understand the concept of perpetual growth and expansion

if we're going to be OK with flat or even occasional economic decline, then we're going to have to stop bailing out companies in the name of saving jobs, and figure out how to not need large amounts of immigration to keep our standard of living going.  If you can be OK with that then we might not need as much growth. 

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12 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'm hoping that we all realize that economies, nations etc don't "need" to keep growing.  I'll never understand the concept of perpetual growth and expansion

I totally understand and agree that life is more important than the economy ( and not talking about 'growing' economies but them crashing).

 

Here's the 'but'..

 

But, I have a concern regarding collapsing economies. 

Currently there are Locust swarms taking out crops...the worst in a generation spreading across Africa.

The Covid crisis has affected the resources that usually go toward fighting these swarms so much that it is putting the food security of millions at risk. 

How many will die from hunger? whats the trade off vs covid?

 

I don't have the answers and as I stated, I agree with the global approach so far. I just don't know if I'm correct....

 

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10 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

They just increased the death toll by 50% in a single day, but my guess is that that is not even remotely close. I think that it is important to specify that this is not ‘Chinese’, this is on the head of the CCP and its leaders. The greatest fear of that party is that its own people find out the communist party’s culpability. It reminds of Chernobyl, does it not. Viewing that series is most revealing of the psychology is the disease that is communism - the society that cannot allow freedom of speech, nor even of thought.

When I said Chinese it was meant as numbers coming out of China.

China has lied when this thing started as well, no way it started when they say it did.

Also their numbers are underreported by a lot.

 

Speaking of Chernobyl, I lived in Europe when it blew up,

Soviets only admitting when radiation was picked up by other countries.

Lying to people is not only the communist thing, lot of governments lie and cover the facts imo.

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