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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Don’t need to, I know the difference.

 

You don’t need a cure right away to get past this. Reducing patients time in ICU with a treatment will eleviate the pressure on the health care system.

 

Once we reach that point, we are able to test and trace, and the health care system is fully equipped things will be able to resume to close to normal. That won’t take a year, have a little faith in our country.

You just make it sound so neat and tidy...if only it was so!

 

"Reducing patients time in ICU with a treatment".  We're not there yet so that's step one.

 

If we're going to "alleviate" the pressure it means keeping things contained and letting people in from a country where it's out of control does not support that.  AT ALL.  It could make everything we've just done for nothing.

 

You're jumping WAY ahead here and you can't do that.  One day at a time until we DO ensure that our system isn't going to be overburdened in the next wave that will likely come.  As long as we stick to the program, we'll be fine.  If we start to invite others in we're inviting trouble.  Focus on buckling down for the next few months and see what develops (or, hopefully, doesn't).

 

I think you should probably watch the news.  

 

There is help for people who struggle with depression, etc. - they just need to reach out.

 

COVID patients aren't all so lucky.

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3 hours ago, Me_ said:

Here is how this sounds:

 


If you’re wondering who you sound like in this video, you sound like Barbecue Becky.

 

If you want to find information on Covid-19 without this massive virtual congregation and the numerous tangents this thread goes on, please feel free to use...... Google.

But then he'll just prove his confirmation bias by following fake scientists :bigblush:

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58 minutes ago, Russ said:

Wait what show actually is 55 minutes long? Aren't they all down to like 45 now because of more commercials? 

More like 20

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12 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Good news for Alabama and West Virginia is suppose.....

 

....no longer the de facto dumbest states in the US.....:unsure:

Georgia might have something to say about that. :ph34r:

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33 minutes ago, spur1 said:

What is really bugging me is the clowns on the the left and the jokers on the right who keep comparing this to the flu. They say ... well the flu killed 60,000 people in the US and this has only killed 40,000. While true...there is a big difference. The 60,000 died of the flu over a full year with no social distancing. Covid has killed 40,000 in one month with social distancing. Please tell me again it is no worse than the flu. 

 

Absolutely right.  The flu kills 500-1500 in Canada, we've passed that in a month, with strict controls.

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10 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

Here you go :)

 

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Trump getting played by Putin and the Saudis yet again. As for the Saudis , there may be in for a stern talking to, just like the time they dissected Khashoggi. Poor Donald, the odd man out once again. 

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47 minutes ago, spur1 said:

What is really bugging me is the clowns on the the left and the jokers on the right who keep comparing this to the flu. They say ... well the flu killed 60,000 people in the US and this has only killed 40,000. While true...there is a big difference. The 60,000 died of the flu over a full year with no social distancing. Covid has killed 40,000 in one month with social distancing. Please tell me again it is no worse than the flu. 

 

Absolutely right.  The flu kills 500-1500 in Canada, we've passed that in a month, with strict controls.

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31 minutes ago, stawns said:

I guess that depends on which you consider "worse" I guess.  I'll take economic collspse over tens, hundreds of thousands of Americans bringing the virus across the boarder.  If that's the case, economic collspse is inevitable anyway.

This is algebra to some. lol

 

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4 hours ago, The Lock said:

Here's the way I see things.

 

With many topics, I choose to sit on the fence. I can see both sides and see what arguments come up. Often, both sides have good points that need to be considered. At that point I can reflect on things and decide if 1) I'm on a side or 2) if this is an argument that makes no sense to side on.

 

Having been on that fence, even with Trump, the problem I've seen is that he lies a lot, he is rude to media in interrupting things in order to control the questions that come his way, he doesn't show any accountability whenever problems arise, he's evaded taxes for probably all of his life, and he has businesses like Trump University that pretty much feed off of the gullible. Unfortunately, that's the tip of the ice berg with him and I needed to finish that sentence at some point.

 

Now, I've looked as well as what he does provide: he does give businesses money as he's about economy. He's a businessman through and through. He is abrupt and will speak his mind, which can help in certain situations.

 

Overall though, he's running the country like he does his businesses. The same tactics he uses on the media and his press releases are the exact same ones he uses as a business (which tend to think about money before people). It's for these reasons I jumped off the fence pretty quickly. While I understand some businesses are doing well under him, it's those tactics being at the expense of others that I just don't agree with that. This is especially evident with him wanting to reopen as early as possible: he cares about the businesses more than the people.

Great post. As a businessman myself I will say this about his running the US like a business.  Based on certain metrics he appears to be doing a great job. He will often boast about those metrics in terms of “best ever” etc.

 

All the while, the National debt in the US is growing by unprecedented amounts each year. So even if your business has a “great bottom line”, that can’t last forever if the debt keeps piling up. It’s only a matter of time before the whole thing falls apart.

 

Donald is no stranger to running businesses into the ground. It would be frightening if he did the same to his country. The real republicans need to stand up before it’s too late and fire this chump.

 

Just my two cents.

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On 4/19/2020 at 12:36 AM, janisahockeynut said:

I gave you a beer on this post..it was very well articulated.....by the way, I like our hockey posts

 

This all started earlier when, a poster wrote that he had mention to a couple that they should only have one in shopping and another poster said that he should just have minded his own business...…...I am pretty sure you agreed with the guy minding his own buisness

 

I worked as a Patrol boat captain for the Port ...….I did shore line enforcement as part of my duties, so I am more black and white on those types of things. My general feeling is if people use common sense and common courtesies, most problems would not occur.

 

So, for people that want to go into stores together, it is not that I am totally against it, but rather that if it is a busy store, one should figure out that they do not need to be in the store and can wait outside. To me, if it is 10 minutes before closing time and a couple enter an empty store, well then who cares. No harm, no foul.

 

But, as I think of you as an intelligent person (and I do), I think you should be able to grasp that it is better to stay outside and wait. These are strange times, and there are just so many people that are on the edge. Mental health is being tested, and again I think you know that. So I expect that those that have a strong constitution and awareness, be able to again, figure out that it is better not to go inside if busy.

 

I eventually found one of the last pair of running shoes in town in Walmart and what I notice was a family of kids, sitting in a car with their Dad, He was aware that it would not be a good thing to load them into the store. The wife went in alone. I applaud that.

 

Now, a related story is my tenant downstairs, is a very nice, awkward and timid man. He gets flustered in crowded places, and you will find that when these times present themselves, he will simply not go in, because it stresses him. Now, he does not have a car either, and he has no one else to go in for him, so he waits, sometimes for several hours to find a time that is less busy, and when he has settled down. This man is gold! and he never complains, but I see how it affects his life…..it is hard not to emphasize with him.

 

So, I have pretty strong feelings on the subject. As an past enforcement officer, I hate bullies, and hate people that push their rights, at the expense of others. When common courtesy would do wonders and resolve many issues.

 

I recognise I am not the law on here, and I don't want to be. And I like you as a poster. But I will call an ace and ace and a spade a spade when I see it. 

 

PS..I was a very sickly, scrawny kid, and was bullied a lot until I started boxing, and putting on weight. I hate bullies, and inconsiderate people, who do mean things just because they think they have the right to. It is probably why I got into the field I did. I fight for the underdog in my life today, and if raining or not busy will stop to let a pedestrian walk across the road, no because I had to, but because I am sitting in a nice heated car, and every second they wait, they get wetter. I think my mom and dad raise me proper, and taught me we. Not that I am anywhere close to perfect.

 

I am basically finished with this convo. I don't expect you  to change your mind, but I am absolutely not changing mine.

 

Peace and stay heathy

There is a good reason for the distance rule, when a couple moves together in a tight space it is hard for others to move around, it’s just common courtesy, make it easier for people to move around, there are people waiting outside and it is also a courtesy to them that we conduct our business in the least time reasonably possible. As stated above, a little courtesy and reasonableness goes a long way.

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Tired of the lockdown, yet?

 

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/lockdown-socialism-will-collapse.html?fbclid=IwAR1CCIAZby-8IMBtmugfdey8K8ItyjCKorxp9NQUiHrIef58E9ILDDVeAQ8
 

Interestingly, a couple of countries that did not shut down their economies had virtually the same results with the virus as the Countries that did... but they still have economies - case in point Sweden:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-end-of-exponential-growth-the-decline-in-the-spread-of-coronavirus/


Conclude from that what you will.

 

Also, a study has been done the indicates the virus is 50 to 85 times more widespread than previously thought, which if true, means the virus is far less lethal than believed for most people - it would significantly increase the denominator in the equation ... deaths/cases, It might count for a herd immunity effect resulting in the very low numbers in California:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, stawns said:

I guess that depends on which you consider "worse" I guess.  I'll take economic collspse over tens, hundreds of thousands of Americans bringing the virus across the boarder.  If that's the case, economic collspse is inevitable anyway.

And the Americans crossing the border, will be some of the dumbest offerings we've got.  I figure anyone actually willing to travel with this bug going around is an absolute moron.  Probably not the ideal travelers the Canadian tourism industry is looking for. 

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48 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Tired of the lockdown, yet?

 

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/lockdown-socialism-will-collapse.html?fbclid=IwAR1CCIAZby-8IMBtmugfdey8K8ItyjCKorxp9NQUiHrIef58E9ILDDVeAQ8
 

Interestingly, a couple of countries that did not shut down their economies had virtually the same results with the virus as the Countries that did... but they still have economies - case in point Sweden:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-end-of-exponential-growth-the-decline-in-the-spread-of-coronavirus/


Conclude from that what you will.

 

Also, a study has been done the indicates the virus is 50 to 85 times more widespread than previously thought, which if true, means the virus is far less lethal than believed for most people - it would significantly increase the denominator in the equation ... deaths/cases, It might count for a herd immunity effect resulting in the very low numbers in California:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought

 

 

 

Cool story brah

 

On the first link, yeah... nah....

 

As for Sweden, it’s definitely an experiment.

 

Critics question Swedish approach as coronavirus death toll reaches 1,000

 

The Grim Truth About the “Swedish Model”

 

The California study on the possibility of having an 85% infected rate does not directly translate as “less lethal”. There are more and more people who are coming out saying they were severely sick as far back as September, and those are the ones that didn’t die in the California surge in Pneumonia and heart attacks last fall.

 

This virus is also novel, which means we know nothing of it. The theory that once antibodies are developed, you’re immune; not so fast. Studies show that this virus may be mutating about every month. 
 

This is far from over. This non-peer reviewed research article is based on a group of 3,330 in Santa Clara. California May have seen an early exposure of this virus as early as September. 
 

But that’s a continent away from Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida, Pennsylvania and New York, and about 340,000,000 people short of the real story.

 

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6 hours ago, spur1 said:

What is really bugging me is the clowns on the the left and the jokers on the right who keep comparing this to the flu. They say ... well the flu killed 60,000 people in the US and this has only killed 40,000. While true...there is a big difference. The 60,000 died of the flu over a full year with no social distancing. Covid has killed 40,000 in one month with social distancing. Please tell me again it is no worse than the flu. 

 

Flu also doesn't max our ICUs or make a panic for ventilators which in turn kill more people because they can't get the care needed.....

 

I am just thankful those numbers have been coming down slowly here in BC.  I see people bitching about the lack of testing and how we haven't tested every person to ever exist but the numbers I have really cared about is the hospital/ICU numbers and having those look a little more promising is a good sign.

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7 hours ago, PistolPete13 said:

Georgia might have something to say about that. :ph34r:

Well.....since we missed March Madness......fill out your bracket.....

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13 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

Of course the arguments are winnable. It's just that simple. There is not much education that comes with Trump, he is the all time champ for lies and misinformation, there is a website that tracks it.

Unfortunately in this day and age people have a hard time admitting they are wrong.

I'm responding to you cause you mentioned 'fart' and I pointed out where I am from the slang for that is 'trump'.

Also, where I am from we have a long history of ripping on politicians. You should check out an old show called Spitting Image and see how Margaret Thatcher and the Royal fam are portrayed. It's no different for Trump but these days people are so tribal and have been raised to have thin skin. They would rather keep supporting this guy than admit fault.

 

His name is showing up a lot in this thread because how he is handling this pandemic is balls.

My favorite is Princess Anne and her ubiquitous bottle of Gin.....

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