Fire Green!

[DarthMelvin]

I like Green, It's his supporting coaches I don't like.

 

That Power play, That is sad when all we do is pass the puck around in a cycle til it gets to Petey, Miller, Boeser. So predictable. 

 

I think we should look into new a PP coach and Defensive coach. That is where we fail :/

[Junkyard Dog]

I think Gallant would do well here.

 

Old school but a players coach.

[RU SERIOUS]

29 days to go from today until he's gone!

[whirledpeas]

i know firing Green would be great, afterall,  the GM has given the team strong foundational veteran players to help the youth . . he got rid of Gudbranson and

Del Zotto, brought in Benn and Fantenberg, signed Myers to bolster defence,  etcetc

 

  why can't that green coach win

[ey40]

I said this in the GDT thread yesterday and I will stand by that:

 

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Pairing up Benn with Fantenberg just shows that Nolan Baumgartner has no idea what he was doing. I want him gone more than Green TBH!

Then hire some experienced coaches around Green to smack some sense into him when thing got tough!

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, whirledpeas said:

i know firing Green would be great, afterall,  the GM has given the team strong foundational veteran players to help the youth . . he got rid of Gudbranson and

Del Zotto, brought in Benn and Fantenberg, signed Myers to bolster defence,  etcetc

 

  why can't that green coach win

IDK bro. Pearson, Gaud, Petey, Boeser, Hughes, Toffoli, Virtanen, Miller, Motte have all been great adds by JB.

 

It's a wonder.

 

Probably need a coach who can get this team to play sound team defense 5v5 instead of this passive play.

[Lazurus]

I did listen to Green' post game comments and was really curious when the said this was just like a playoff game. Guess he hadn't seen one for awhile either or just tryig to convince the stupid fans that game was the type of game they had been looking for many seasons and this is their playoffs. Certainly not much hitting.

Either way IF the team was a serious PO contender Green would have been canned already just for shock value.

And then Benning could hire another Willie or Green.

 

The team's system is fractured because the defence does not play defence in a traditional fashion, where they pinch occasionally, on this team every time Hughes is on the ice there is a man out of position.

59 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

IDK bro. Pearson, Gaud, Petey, Boeser, Hughes, Toffoli, Virtanen, Miller, Motte have all been great adds by JB.

Over the length of time Benning has been here there would be players that are not bad on the team, there always has been, but the team is still a bottom team, so they need even more.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Lazurus

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, Lazurus said:

Over the length of time Benning has been here, a hockey generation, there would be players not bad on the team, there always has been, but the team is still a bottom team, so they need even more.

Not as much as when he started. Also our cupboard was bone-dry when he started. Best prospects were Shinkaruk and Subban. Benning had to spend a "generation" acquiring the next "generation" because they last regime didn't do a good job at it. Also he had to cope with owners who wanted to try and turn it around right away(2014-15) and that didn't want to decide to rebuild till the team was hot garbage and fans were demanding it.

 

Yeah we still need some pieces but we got a lot of our core pieces set. Our top 2 centers set for an entire generation. A top 2 defenseman and a pretty good RWer all while not getting lotto luck and drafting top 3. Outside the 1st round he's found some players too and we still need to see some. And despite the fact that these young players made the jump early we've still got a pretty decent prospect pool

 

We're not that far off. We just need time and we still are gonna keep adding.

[Mustapha]

Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

Not as much as when he started. Also our cupboard was bone-dry when he started. Best prospects were Shinkaruk and Subban. Benning had to spend a "generation" acquiring the next "generation" because they last regime didn't do a good job at it. Also he had to cope with owners who wanted to try and turn it around right away(2014-15) and that didn't want to decide to rebuild till the team was hot garbage and fans were demanding it.

 

Yeah we still need some pieces but we got a lot of our core pieces set. Our top 2 centers set for an entire generation. A top 2 defenseman and a pretty good RWer all while not getting lotto luck and drafting top 3. Outside the 1st round he's found some players too and we still need to see some. And despite the fact that these young players made the jump early we've still got a pretty decent prospect pool

 

We're not that far off. We just need time and we still are gonna keep adding.

I think Hughes could be a franchise defenseman. It's obvious to me that he's banged up and he still is head and shoulders above the others.

[DS4quality]

After 4 games without a point in meaningful games in march. Panic is inevitable 

[Ajax-]

27 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

I did listen to Green' post game comments and was really curious when the said this was just like a playoff game. Guess he hadn't seen one for awhile either or just tryig to convince the stupid fans that game was the type of game they had been looking for many seasons and this is their playoffs. Certainly not much hitting.

Either way IF the team was a serious PO contender Green would have been canned already just for shock value.

And then Benning could hire another Willie or Green.

 

The team's system is fractured because the defence does not play defence in a traditional fashion, where they pinch occasionally, on this team every time Hughes is on the ice there is a man out of position.

Over the length of time Benning has been here there would be players that are not bad on the team, there always has been, but the team is still a bottom team, so they need even more.

You should apply for the coaching job

[Lazurus]

22 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Not as much as when he started. Also our cupboard was bone-dry when he started. Best prospects were Shinkaruk and Subban. Benning had to spend a "generation" acquiring the next "generation" because they last regime didn't do a good job at it. Also he had to cope with owners who wanted to try and turn it around right away(2014-15) and that didn't want to decide to rebuild till the team was hot garbage and fans were demanding it.

 

Yeah we still need some pieces but we got a lot of our core pieces set. Our top 2 centers set for an entire generation. A top 2 defenseman and a pretty good RWer all while not getting lotto luck and drafting top 3. Outside the 1st round he's found some players too and we still need to see some. And despite the fact that these young players made the jump early we've still got a pretty decent prospect pool

 

We're not that far off. We just need time and we still are gonna keep adding.

This bone dry stuff all the time. Gillis left the team as twice being the league's best team, divisional titles, conference champs and just as many  prospects playing on the team as Benning has now, all with no top ten picks let alone 8 first round picks, 4 in the top 7. Besides that is a very long time ago. If you look you will see that the important players are from Gillis's time, Horvat, Tanev, Markstrom, Edler, Gaudette, not a bad legacy seven years later.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Lazurus

[Junkyard Dog]

53 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

This bone dry stuff all the time. Gillis left the team as twice being the league's best team, divisional titles, conference champs and just as many  prospects playing on the team as Benning has now, all with no top ten picks let alone 8 first round picks, 4 in the top 7. Besides that is a very long time ago. If you look you will see that the important players are from Gillis's time, Horvat, Tanev, Markstrom, Edler, Gaudette, not a bad legacy seven years later.

I am not sure GMMG got us Gaudette might of gotten us the pick but didn't draft him. He also didn't draft Edler. Not saying GMMG was bad but he did leave us bone dry when it comes to prospects. Thanks for Marky and Bo in those 5 years you were here.

 

GMMG drafted from 2008-2013. His notables are Hodgson who eventually didn't pan out, Connauton who is a 7th D, Hutton who's a top 6 D and Horvat. One good player in 5 years of drafting. His last draft was 6 drafts ago so it can't be argued that some guys are too early to tell.

 

Lets compare to Benning. 2014-2019 "So far" McCann, Virtanen, Demko and Tryamkin, Boeser, Gaudette, Pettersson, Hughes. And we still have to wait and see if others pan out. That's a star defenseman in Hughes, a star winger in Boeser, a star centre in Petey, potential starter in Demko, potential defenseman in Tryamkin and 3 top 9 forwards in Gaudette, Virtanen and McCann. All of these guys are still under 25 besides Tryamkin btw

 

Hell there might be more coming out of those draft classes(2014-19). Lind, OJ, Hog, Pod, Woo, Rathbone, Madden, DiPrietro, list goes on. It is still not set.

He inherited a pretty good team and made the right trades and signings to push us far. BUT he did nothing for our prospect pool in 5 years of drafting besides Bo. Only other guy he brought in who was young was Tanev via FA and traded Luongo for Markstrom. We're also suffering for a cap-hit from Luongo for the next 3 years because of that 12 year deal he signed from Gillis.

 

You think Gillis came close to that prospect pool? Really?

Edited March 5, 2020 by Junkyard Dog

[JM_]

3 hours ago, aGENT said:

Queue the reactionary panic! 

too far? 

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

too far? 

Not far enough!

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Not far enough!

FIRE THE ENTIRE COLOUR SPECTRUM!!!! AND INFRARED!!!! 

[alt kilgore]

[Lazurus]

1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I am not sure GMMG got us Gaudette might of gotten us the pick but didn't draft him. He also didn't draft Edler. Not saying GMMG was bad but he did leave us bone dry when it comes to prospects. Thanks for Marky and Bo in those 5 years you were here.

 

GMMG drafted from 2008-2013. His notables are Hodgson who eventually didn't pan out, Connauton who is a 7th D, Hutton who's a top 6 D and Horvat. One good player in 5 years of drafting. His last draft was 6 drafts ago so it can't be argued that some guys are too early to tell.

 

Lets compare to Benning. 2014-2019 "So far" McCann, Virtanen, Demko and Tryamkin, Boeser, Gaudette, Pettersson, Hughes. And we still have to wait and see if others pan out. That's a star defenseman in Hughes, a star winger in Boeser, a star centre in Petey, potential starter in Demko, potential defenseman in Tryamkin and 3 top 9 forwards in Gaudette, Virtanen and McCann. All of these guys are still under 25 besides Tryamkin btw

 

Hell there might be more coming out of those draft classes(2014-19). Lind, OJ, Hog, Pod, Woo, Rathbone, Madden, DiPrietro, list goes on. It is still not set.

He inherited a pretty good team and made the right trades and signings to push us far. BUT he did nothing for our prospect pool in 5 years of drafting besides Bo. Only other guy he brought in who was young was Tanev via FA and traded Luongo for Markstrom. We're also suffering for a cap-hit from Luongo for the next 3 years because of that 12 year deal he signed from Gillis.

 

You think Gillis came close to that prospect pool? Really?

It is the past but he did just as good as Detroit.

Having a bunch of names on a list is not making the team better and a monkey could draft BPA off the lists they have now, Gillis hit a home run on every top ten pick he had, Benning has at least one bomb in a top 5 pick, the only top player not to have played a game, the other injured top 6 drafted player was Virtanen. But Virtanen could always skate fast and as long as he doesn't fight or hit too much his shoulder will hold up.

If in 4 or 5 years all these possibilities make the NHL then he will be just like most GM's in the league, fired before they come to play.

I get it some posters are still holding out that Juolevi is the power play specialist and an Ohlund clone, just not happening. Virtanen is finally being used as a scorer instead of a knuckle dragger.

McCann isn't here Benning didn't think he was good enough, Tryamkin is thanks to Gradin before Benning got here, you give him credit for 3 weeks work? That draft was all Gillis's people. And Gillis wanted Larkin instead of an injured Virtanen.

 

Hodgson had a serious disease that affected his back and ended his career. He never was using the pain as an excuse because he thought he was entitled as AV stated.

 

Can't keep blaming something that happened 7 years ago and keep ignoring what other team are doing around you, Ottawa blew it up, striped their team down after trading away ALL their prospects and in 2 years now will have twice as many 1rst round picks on it as the Canucks in 6 years. Even the NJD have embarrassed the Canucks in their youth movement.

But comparison's to other teams is a taboo here.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Lazurus

[snucks]

I wonder about the entire coaching group. Now granted there have been injuries. That, though, might be partly because of the coaching. It is obvious that the goalies and many of the team are not ready at the start of games. Everything comes back to the coaches, always, that is the way it is, they are responsible. I don't think this team was ever meant to be defensive and they should not try to be. Sitting on leads, or trying to come back after I'st period let downs is not how they should play. They should always be attacking.  One also has seen this bunch play some real good games, but since losing Markstrum and Boeser, along with Pettersen and Hughes being attacked every game, the coaches might be having trouble motivating the team.

 

 

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, Lazurus said:

It is the past but he did just as good as Detroit.

Having a bunch of names on a list is not making the team better and a monkey could draft BPA off the lists they have now, Gillis hit a home run on every top ten pick he had, Benning has at least one bomb in a top 5 pick, the only top player not to have played a game, the other injured top 6 drafted player was Virtanen. But Virtanen could always skate fast and as long as he doesn't fight or hit too much his shoulder will hold up.

If in 4 or 5 years all these possibilities make the NHL then he will be just like most GM's in the league, fired before they come to play.

I get it some posters are still holding out that Juolevi is the power play specialist and an Ohlund clone, just not happening. Virtanen is finally being used as a scorer instead of a knuckle dragger.

McCann isn't here Benning didn't think he was good enough, Tryamkin is thanks to Gradin before Benning got here, you give him credit for 3 weeks work? That draft was all Gillis's people. And Gillis wanted Larkin instead of an injured Virtanen.

 

Rathbone was Tanev, Hodgson had a serious disease that affected his back and ended his career. He never was using the pain as an excuse because he thought he was entitled as AV stated.

 

Can't keep blaming something that happened 7 years ago and keep ignoring what other team are doing around you, Ottawa blew it up, striped their team down after trading away ALL their prospects and in 2 years now will have twice as many 1rst round picks on it as the Canucks in 6 years. Even the NJD have emabarassed the Canucks in their youth movement.

But comparison's to other teams is a taboo here.

He only had two top 10 picks. Hodgson and Horvat and he only got Horvat right. In fact, Horvat is the only player in all 5 drafts he got with us that he got really well. That's 5 drafts and one real player to show for it.

 

Still drafted McCann who's better than every player Gillis drafted either than Horvat and McCann isn't even one of JB's best picks.

 

OJ's 21 kind of early to tell for him, we'll see in a couple years. Like it is with others drafted in Benning's time. Like I have clearly stated.

 

Virtanen's turning out pretty well eh?

 

Never at all blamed Gillis for anything just stating fact. He did leave our prospect pool bone-dry. It's simply the truth. I have accepted it but it seems like you haven't.

 

So you're giving credit to Bennings scouting department and when it comes to only Horvat you give credit to MG? Okay, that definitely makes your opinion totally unbiased. 

Gradin one of Gillis's people? You sure? He's been around this organization since IDK 1995. Same with Delorme. Also how'd that explain all these other players drafted out of Benning's regime? It's funny how Judd Brackett, a "Gillis" guy wasn't able to find any good prospects during Gillis's 5 year regime besides Bo. Only after Benning took over we finally started seeing prospects? Funny huh?

 

Ottawa and NJD embarassed us? Totally. I am sure they feel like they have.

 

This was fun and easy.