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5 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Actual Club Salary."  "Actual Club Salary" shall mean the entire aggregate amount committed by each Club in a League Year, annualized, but calculated daily,to be paid or earned as Player Salaries and Bonuses in that League Year (and which is intended to include any and all other commitments to Players as set forth below), with such Player Salaries and Bonuses calculated in accordance with this Section 50.2(c).  Actual Club Salary does not include Benefits.  Actual Club Salary is utilized to calculate the League-wide Player Compensation, as contrasted with Averaged Club Salary, set forth in Section 50.5(d)(i) below, which is utilized to determine a Club's Payroll Room.  For purposes of calculating League-wide Player Compensation for a given League Year, as set forth in the Final HRR Report, the Actual Club Salary shall include the Players' Salaries and Bonuses and any other amounts of money paid by the Clubs (except that Deferred Salaries and Deferred Bonuses are included in Actual Club Salary in the League Year when earned, not when paid), including any amounts deposited into the Escrow Account

 

This is the ACSL, what shall it include read the bold 

So yet again a major flaw in your understanding.

 

Not only do you not know what LTIR is... you also don’t know what ACSL is.

 

It is not Actual Club Salary, you are mixing up two things.  Actual Club Salary is what you use to determine the players portion of HRR and escrow.

 

ACSL means “Accruable Cap Space Limit”. It has nothing to do with the several random copy and paste posts you made about Actual Club Salary.  It has to do with your effective cap space dropping by how much under the cap you are when you place a player on LTIR.

 

You think you are clever but don’t even understand the most basic concepts and can’t even comprehend the stuff you spam.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

from capfriendly

 

How is LTIR Relief calculated?

LTIR relief comes in the form of two values: a salary relief pool, and a performance bonus relief pool.

These pools are determined the day the player is placed on LTIR. The salary relief pool is the player’s averaged salary excluding performance bonuses (their cap hit value). The performance bonus relief is the player’s total performance bonuses for this season (games played, A and B bonuses), regardless of if they are still achievable.

What if the team already has a player on LTIR?
The teams ACSL remains the same, and their salary relief pool increases by the player’s cap hit, and the performance bonus relief pool increases by the player’s performance bonuses.

How does a team use the base salary and performance bonus relief pools?

As explained above, two pools are created when a player is placed on LTIR, a salary pool, and a performance bonus pool. If recalling a player would result in the team exceeding the ACSL, the team must have enough relief in the necessary pools. Only the players achievable performance bonuses are considered when they are recalled, for example, if a player has an 82 games played performance bonus of $500,000, and it is impossible for them to achieve those 82 games, the $500,000 performance bonus is no longer considered.

The following must be met to recall the player:
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  2. Players with no performance bonuses
    If a player has no performance bonuses, the team must have a salary relief pool that is equal to or greater than the player’s cap hit (annual averaged salary excluding performance bonuses).
  3. Players with performance bonuses
    The team must have a salary relief pool that is equal to or greater than the player’s cap hit. After the salary relief pool has been considered, the sum of the teams performance bonus pool and remaining salary relief pool must be equal to or greater than the player’s max achievable performance bonuses of the current season (the player’s achievable performance bonuses can come out of both the salary and performance bonus pool).

 

 

Notice the very last sentence in the bold 

Sorry, can you please clarify what that last sentence means?  You’ll have to dumb it down a bit for me.  :embarrassed:

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If you want cap hell, look no further than Minnesota, LA, SJS, and I'd even add in Montreal to some degree... they are in much worse positions than we are with those brutal old man contracts that go on for years to come. 

 

Worst case scenario is we need to run with the current group pretty much intact next season. After that we have some room to add in another free agent if thats a necessary thing. 

 

Our worst thing is Loui, which could be bought out - it would be a cap hit of 5.7, 3.6 and then 678k, 678k. Thats actually not bad in comparison to something like Parize at 7.5 mil for 5 1/2 more seasons until he's 40. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

If you want cap hell, look no further than Minnesota, LA, SJS, and I'd even add in Montreal to some degree... they are in much worse positions than we are with those brutal old man contracts that go on for years to come. 

 

Worst case scenario is we need to run with the current group pretty much intact next season. After that we have some room to add in another free agent if thats a necessary thing. 

 

Our worst thing is Loui, which could be bought out - it would be a cap hit of 5.7, 3.6 and then 678k, 678k. Thats actually not bad in comparison to something like Parize at 7.5 mil for 5 1/2 more seasons until he's 40. 

Yep.  NSH should also be on the hook for part of Webers deal when the time comes - unless he's like Chara and ages like fine wine which is possible.

 

A couple of things about our cap and why I think JB isn't worried and has plans in place for a variety of scenarios.   

 

1.  The CBA is up soon, and like the past two we should expect some freebies as far buyouts go.  Last time we used them on Booth and Ballard I think ...  It's not a for sure but I'd bet all the GMs - and a lot of the ones with clout will push for it again.  For the NHLPA of course they'd go for or it too - a no brainer - their brethren getting way too much get bought out - the money is spread around more evenly and a lot of the guys that get bought out get new deals anyways - a win win for everyone but the owners wallets.

 

2.  JB has staggered his contracts in a way that for the most part is one year ahead of schedule.   This is where a lot of the problems lie and don't be surprised if bridge deals also happen with both EP and QH.  That could be part of his planning. 

 

3.  Luongo.  Don't be surprised if it's lowered at some point and Florida has to take some of the cap - after all we were still paying him part of his salary so why the heck are we taking that much of a hit.   Get your lawyers on it JB ...

 

4.  LE, Bear and Sutter.  13 plus million ... it's like banked money waiting to be spread around where it's needed - same with Luongos crap deal so let's say 16plus ... oh and Goldobin et al. 

 

5.  Our prospect pool and future ELCs.   Hogs and Podz are almost givens, OJ, Madden, Rafferty and maybe Tree (hey whomever made a post just saying they hate that nickname - I didn't make it but sometimes use it because it's faster to write and I'm lazy ha ha Tree - Tree - Tree... it's a great nickname so f$ck off).    I honestly feel his is JBs plan - it's also why he talks and looks like he's in the cat bird seat - JBs swagger started when EP had a great development year - then excitedly drafted Hughes - and got a much deserved extension...he's earned that swagger and again Tree - Tree - Tree - why?  Because he's 6'8" and 270 lbs.   Groot is fine too.  And last week his agent confirmed that he wants to play in the NHL next year.   Nice...for us. 

 

 

6.  JB.  Why the heck doubt him at this point.  Gretzkys comments about QH - and EP...we are going to see much greater things than I ever thought possible back to back cores.  Really we were not much different then an old rule expansion team when he took over.   Yet here we are, Miller trade - great do that again ever year if possible.  JV?  Not looking so bad anymore.  OJ? Well of your not paying attention go and look what he's doing in the AHL the past 20 or so games...like each level he's figuring it out.

 

In summation - this teams absolutely on the right track.  Rules and the way the game is called has never been in as much favour as skill as it is right now and JB has seen the future and drafted appropriately.   QH and EP are going to end up in the HHOF one day - I have zero doubt.   TG?  Well let's see how he does with this crew this year when we finally get to shake some white towels again.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

If you want cap hell, look no further than Minnesota, LA, SJS, and I'd even add in Montreal to some degree... they are in much worse positions than we are with those brutal old man contracts that go on for years to come. 

 

Worst case scenario is we need to run with the current group pretty much intact next season. After that we have some room to add in another free agent if thats a necessary thing. 

 

Our worst thing is Loui, which could be bought out - it would be a cap hit of 5.7, 3.6 and then 678k, 678k. Thats actually not bad in comparison to something like Parize at 7.5 mil for 5 1/2 more seasons until he's 40. 

It is true that our cap hell is only two

more seasons after this... but not quite true that we are good after next season.
 

If we don’t re-sign Tanev (And maybe even Stecher) this off-season we can fit under the cap just fine.  We are definitely worse off though roster wise.    As much as you can be optimistic about Tryamkin, Juolevi, and Rafferty, it would be miraculous if they were as capable as NHL veterans.

 

The next season we don’t have anywhere near the amount coming off the books that we need to re-sign Petterson and Hughes.  We will be incredibly lucky to get them for under a combined $18 million.  If we do, it likely means one of them is on a bridge deal which will cost us in the long term.  In 2021-22 we will have to replace all our our expiring contracts with league minimum or ELCs to fit under the cap.

 

Eriksson’s totally cap hit after this year is $12 million.  Buying him out still costs $10.67 million in cap hit, which is less of a savings as it would cost us to fill that roster spot with a league minimum player... so no savings overall at all.  It could slightly help out cap situation two years from now, but then cost us space for two years beyond that when we will likely need it badly as well if we have any intention on improving the roster and contending.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Provost said:

So yet again a major flaw in your understanding.

 

Not only do you not know what LTIR is... you also don’t know what ACSL is.

 

It is not Actual Club Salary, you are mixing up two things.  Actual Club Salary is what you use to determine the players portion of HRR and escrow.

 

ACSL means “Accruable Cap Space Limit”. It has nothing to do with the several random copy and paste posts you made about Actual Club Salary.  It has to do with your effective cap space dropping by how much under the cap you are when you place a player on LTIR.

 

You think you are clever but don’t even understand the most basic concepts and can’t even comprehend the stuff you spam.

 

 

you do realize that these 2 numbers are essentially the same as defined in the NHL CBA and if you want I can quote this directly from the CBA

 

the only difference is the ACSL number or term is used during the NHL league year and the Actual club Salary is the number at the end of league year. It's just accounting terminology but other wise for normal people they are one and the same.

 

ACSL is the calculation process to calculate the daily cap per team well after the season there would only be one calculation left and that would be the Actual Club salary. or if a team is not using LTIR then it is called the clubs upper limit and averaged club salary.

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3 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

you do realize that these 2 numbers are essentially the same as defined in the NHL CBA and if you want I can quote this directly from the CBA

 

the only difference is the ACSL number or term is used during the NHL league year and the Actual club Salary is the number at the end of league year. It's just accounting terminology but other wise for normal people they are one and the same.

 

ACSL is the calculation process to calculate the daily cap per team well after the season there would only be one calculation left and that would be the Actual Club salary. or if a team is not using LTIR then it is called the clubs upper limit and averaged club salary.

Nope, not the same at all.  Entirely different calculations.  The only similarity is some of the words start with the same letters which is a startlingly basic error for you to make... especially since the letters aren't even all the same.  They aren't even referring to the sme currency...one is a pure cap hit calculation, the other is a real dollar calculation.

ACSL is a specific lowered cap limit due to what is happening specifically with your cap space when you put a player in LTIR.  It doesn't count used or unused LTIR space, it doesn't include bonus cushion.  It has to do with what you are allowed to spend cap wise.

Actual Club Salary is what you actually spend in real dollars including everything, it is done at the end of the year SOLELY to determine if the players' pay is greater than their share of the HRR.  

No relation to each other at all, the numbers and formulas are entirely different, the use of them is entirely unrelated.

This is really important for folks to understand when thinking about future cap ceiling implications.  Money paid to players while on LTIR counts towards their share of the HRR at the end of the year.  This year so many teams are running into LTIR (and effectively dramatically overspending the salary cap), AND very few teams are running near the cap floor like in previous years to balance things out.  Almost every team is either over the cap ceiling (using LTIR); over the cap ceiling once you include performance bonuses they will have to pay; or within a couple of million of the ceiling in actual dollars spent.  The cap ceiling and floor is based on taking the estimated players share of HRR, dividing it by the number of teams, and then that is the salary cap midpoint.  The ceiling is 15% higher and the floor is 15% lower.  If you look at all the ACTUAL CLUB SALARIES this season, all of them are above the midpoint so escrow will be big even if the league meets their revenue targets (which is also not looking great).

So at the end of the year when the portion of HRR spent on players salaries is calculated, it is going to be WAY over their share.  That is going to mean a huge escrow hit to everyone with signed contracts.  With that having just hit their wallets, what sort of mood do you think they will be in to artificially use their escalator clause to raise the cap ceiling next year... and steal money from their own pockets to be paid to those few players who are UFAs this summer.  That is likely why the GMs spoken to after the December BOG meetings said to the media that they are anticipating a very modest cap increase for the next couple of years.  A modest cap increase is very bad for us.

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2 hours ago, IBatch said:

Yep.  NSH should also be on the hook for part of Webers deal when the time comes - unless he's like Chara and ages like fine wine which is possible.

 

A couple of things about our cap and why I think JB isn't worried and has plans in place for a variety of scenarios.   

 

1.  The CBA is up soon, and like the past two we should expect some freebies as far buyouts go.  Last time we used them on Booth and Ballard I think ...  It's not a for sure but I'd bet all the GMs - and a lot of the ones with clout will push for it again.  For the NHLPA of course they'd go for or it too - a no brainer - their brethren getting way too much get bought out - the money is spread around more evenly and a lot of the guys that get bought out get new deals anyways - a win win for everyone but the owners wallets.

 

2.  JB has staggered his contracts in a way that for the most part is one year ahead of schedule.   This is where a lot of the problems lie and don't be surprised if bridge deals also happen with both EP and QH.  That could be part of his planning. 

 

3.  Luongo.  Don't be surprised if it's lowered at some point and Florida has to take some of the cap - after all we were still paying him part of his salary so why the heck are we taking that much of a hit.   Get your lawyers on it JB ...

 

4.  LE, Bear and Sutter.  13 plus million ... it's like banked money waiting to be spread around where it's needed - same with Luongos crap deal so let's say 16plus ... oh and Goldobin et al. 

 

5.  Our prospect pool and future ELCs.   Hogs and Podz are almost givens, OJ, Madden, Rafferty and maybe Tree (hey whomever made a post just saying they hate that nickname - I didn't make it but sometimes use it because it's faster to write and I'm lazy ha ha Tree - Tree - Tree... it's a great nickname so f$ck off).    I honestly feel his is JBs plan - it's also why he talks and looks like he's in the cat bird seat - JBs swagger started when EP had a great development year - then excitedly drafted Hughes - and got a much deserved extension...he's earned that swagger and again Tree - Tree - Tree - why?  Because he's 6'8" and 270 lbs.   Groot is fine too.  And last week his agent confirmed that he wants to play in the NHL next year.   Nice...for us. 

 

 

6.  JB.  Why the heck doubt him at this point.  Gretzkys comments about QH - and EP...we are going to see much greater things than I ever thought possible back to back cores.  Really we were not much different then an old rule expansion team when he took over.   Yet here we are, Miller trade - great do that again ever year if possible.  JV?  Not looking so bad anymore.  OJ? Well of your not paying attention go and look what he's doing in the AHL the past 20 or so games...like each level he's figuring it out.

 

In summation - this teams absolutely on the right track.  Rules and the way the game is called has never been in as much favour as skill as it is right now and JB has seen the future and drafted appropriately.   QH and EP are going to end up in the HHOF one day - I have zero doubt.   TG?  Well let's see how he does with this crew this year when we finally get to shake some white towels again.  

 

 

thats all correct - other than us paying for Lu's salary, it wasn't a buyout. Its just pure penalty from that little &^@#er Bettman. 

 

Nashville is going to be decimated if Weber retires early, so maybe the league has to give us some sort of reprieve if they find a way to prevent that in the next CBA, but don't be surprised if they make it so we still get screwed. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats all correct - other than us paying for Lu's salary, it wasn't a buyout. Its just pure penalty from that little &^@#er Bettman. 

 

Nashville is going to be decimated if Weber retires early, so maybe the league has to give us some sort of reprieve if they find a way to prevent that in the next CBA, but don't be surprised if they make it so we still get screwed. 

 

Don’t expect us to get any reprieve as it will happen after we are done paying our penalty.

 

Don’t assume Weber will be as willing to screw his old team as badly as Lou was willing to screw us.  Lou could have easily medically retired, no harm no foul... he chose instead to give Florida extra cap flexibility at our expense.  He also made a deal with them where he would still get paid most or all of his remaining salary.  The only loser in the deal was the Canucks.  As much as he is a funny guy on social media, he screwed our team worse than Kesler did, and it was because his loyalty was to the Panthers 100% and zero to us.  It is straight up sleazy and wouldn’t have flown with the league if it was Toronto instead of us.

 

Nothing indicates Weber wouldn’t play until his body won’t let him and then just choose the path most guys have and go on LTIR, saving any recapture penalties.

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11 minutes ago, Provost said:

Don’t expect us to get any reprieve as it will happen after we are done paying our penalty.

 

Don’t assume Weber will be as willing to screw his old team as badly as Lou was willing to screw us.  Lou could have easily medically retired, no harm no foul... he chose instead to give Florida extra cap flexibility at our expense.  He also made a deal with them where he would still get paid most or all of his remaining salary.  The only loser in the deal was the Canucks.  As much as he is a funny guy on social media, he screwed our team worse than Kesler did, and it was because his loyalty was to the Panthers 100% and zero to us.  It is straight up sleazy and wouldn’t have flown with the league if it was Toronto instead of us.

 

Nothing indicates Weber wouldn’t play until his body won’t let him and then just choose the path most guys have and go on LTIR, saving any recapture penalties.

it is pretty disappointing that Lu did that, thats true. It was within his rights to do it, but still, it sucks that he had to screw over Vancouver to do it. 

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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it is pretty disappointing that Lu did that, thats true. It was within his rights to do it, but still, it sucks that he had to screw over Vancouver to do it. 

Especially since the benefit to Florida was pretty insignificant (just the added flexibility of not having to use his LTIR space and just having the pure cap space minus the $1 million in recapture they get dinged with) and the cost to us pretty huge.

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6 hours ago, Provost said:

Nope, not the same at all.  Entirely different calculations.  The only similarity is some of the words start with the same letters which is a startlingly basic error for you to make... especially since the letters aren't even all the same.  They aren't even referring to the sme currency...one is a pure cap hit calculation, the other is a real dollar calculation.

ACSL is a specific lowered cap limit due to what is happening specifically with your cap space when you put a player in LTIR.  It doesn't count used or unused LTIR space, it doesn't include bonus cushion.  It has to do with what you are allowed to spend cap wise.

Actual Club Salary is what you actually spend in real dollars including everything, it is done at the end of the year SOLELY to determine if the players' pay is greater than their share of the HRR.  

No relation to each other at all, the numbers and formulas are entirely different, the use of them is entirely unrelated.

This is really important for folks to understand when thinking about future cap ceiling implications.  Money paid to players while on LTIR counts towards their share of the HRR at the end of the year.  This year so many teams are running into LTIR (and effectively dramatically overspending the salary cap), AND very few teams are running near the cap floor like in previous years to balance things out.  Almost every team is either over the cap ceiling (using LTIR); over the cap ceiling once you include performance bonuses they will have to pay; or within a couple of million of the ceiling in actual dollars spent.  The cap ceiling and floor is based on taking the estimated players share of HRR, dividing it by the number of teams, and then that is the salary cap midpoint.  The ceiling is 15% higher and the floor is 15% lower.  If you look at all the ACTUAL CLUB SALARIES this season, all of them are above the midpoint so escrow will be big even if the league meets their revenue targets (which is also not looking great).

So at the end of the year when the portion of HRR spent on players salaries is calculated, it is going to be WAY over their share.  That is going to mean a huge escrow hit to everyone with signed contracts.  With that having just hit their wallets, what sort of mood do you think they will be in to artificially use their escalator clause to raise the cap ceiling next year... and steal money from their own pockets to be paid to those few players who are UFAs this summer.  That is likely why the GMs spoken to after the December BOG meetings said to the media that they are anticipating a very modest cap increase for the next couple of years.  A modest cap increase is very bad for us.

I was actually informed to day the NHL CBA doesn't even have the term ACSL written within it. Actually, according to those I have been talking to they have no clue where this term came from except it showed up on capfriendly. 

However, under the rules that capfriendly specified under ACSL, it is actually stated in article 50 section 50.10 of the CBA and only refers to averaged club salary

 

So provost, if you really want to set me straight find ACSL mentioned in the NHL CBA anywhere, definitions, accounting procedures or any of its articles and I will concede that you are right.

 

The Article dealing with LTIR actually says any players salaries and bonuses can be used to replace the LTIR player salary. 

Any, meaning even those currently on the roster.

Page.290 of the NHL CBA subsection (iii)

And when I get home I will post the section from the CBA when I have access to my computer.

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Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below. If, however, the League wishes to challenge the determination of a Club physician that a Player is unfit to play for purposes of the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, the League and the NHLPA shall promptly confer and jointly select a neutral physician, who shall review the Club physician's determination regarding the Player's fitness to play. 

 

 

No ACSL mentioned here

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Page 293 0f the CBA notice the wording any player

 

Illustration #3: The Upper Limit in a League Year is $70.0 million. A Club has an Averaged Club Salary of $69.0 million (excluding Earnable Performance Bonuses up to the full amount of the Performance Bonus Cushion) for half of the season. A Player who has an SPC with an Averaged Amount of $4.0 million becomes unfit to play at the halfway point of the season. On the same day, the Club exercises the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception on the unfit-to-play Player. The Club may then replace the unfit-to-play Player with any Player or Players who have SPCs with an (aggregate) Averaged Amount of $4.0 million

 

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What does that word really mean any.

Any means flexibility, 

For example, 

Ferland gets injured and has a 3.5 million cap hit, the Canucks can replace his cap hit with Petey's salary and bonuses and then call a AHL player up to fill Petey's roster spot. If they so wish or leave it empty and carry 22 man roster as it looks like the Canucks are doing.

 

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1 hour ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I was actually informed to day the NHL CBA doesn't even have the term ACSL written within it. Actually, according to those I have been talking to they have no clue where this term came from except it showed up on capfriendly. 

However, under the rules that capfriendly specified under ACSL, it is actually stated in article 50 section 50.10 of the CBA and only refers to averaged club salary

 

So provost, if you really want to set me straight find ACSL mentioned in the NHL CBA anywhere, definitions, accounting procedures or any of its articles and I will concede that you are right.

 

The Article dealing with LTIR actually says any players salaries and bonuses can be used to replace the LTIR player salary. 

Any, meaning even those currently on the roster.

Page.290 of the NHL CBA subsection (iii)

And when I get home I will post the section from the CBA when I have access to my computer.

I literally charge $150 an hour for consulting on labour relations, you have already received a lot of instruction for free. 
I am under no obligation to keep doing all your work for you unless you want to pay as much as my clients do (I would probably charge you more for the mental anguish).

I have proven you massively uninformed on several occasions in the last few pages, and included citations of why you are wrong.

if you did have a direct line to someone who actually understood this stuff, you wouldn’t even know what to ask them or what they told you if you stumble on the right question.

 

PS.  You couldn’t replace Ferland’s $3.5 LTIR cap hit with Peterson’s $3.775 cap hit even if Petterson was in the minors.  His cap hit exceeds Ferland’s.  You can’t even get the simplest things right.

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8 minutes ago, Provost said:

I literally charge $150 an hour for consulting on labour relations, you have already received a lot of instruction for free. 
I am under no obligation to keep doing all your work for you unless you want to pay as much as my clients do (I would probably charge you more for the mental anguish).

I have proven you massively uninformed on several occasions in the last few pages, and included citations of why you are wrong.

if you did have a direct line to someone who actually understood this stuff, you wouldn’t even know what to ask them or what they told you if you stumble on the right question.

 

PS.  You couldn’t replace Ferland’s $3.5 LTIR cap hit with Peterson’s $3.775 cap hit even if Petterson was in the minors.  His cap hit exceeds Ferland’s.  You can’t even get the simplest things right.

I thought you knew the CBA and that's why you were disagreeing with me so adamantly, the fact of the matter is you can't find something that isn't there no one can and you just wont admit it. ACSL is a made up term of Capfriendly.

If you could find it you would have done it in a heart beat to prove me wrong and only come up with this excuse because you have been proven wrong. Why don't you man up and say you are wrong after all you did the name calling not me.  

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17 minutes ago, Provost said:

I literally charge $150 an hour for consulting on labour relations, you have already received a lot of instruction for free. 
I am under no obligation to keep doing all your work for you unless you want to pay as much as my clients do (I would probably charge you more for the mental anguish).

I have proven you massively uninformed on several occasions in the last few pages, and included citations of why you are wrong.

if you did have a direct line to someone who actually understood this stuff, you wouldn’t even know what to ask them or what they told you if you stumble on the right question.

 

PS.  You couldn’t replace Ferland’s $3.5 LTIR cap hit with Peterson’s $3.775 cap hit even if Petterson was in the minors.  His cap hit exceeds Ferland’s.  You can’t even get the simplest things right.

only earnable bonuses are calculated in to the equation I would guess that if he where able to earn all his bonuses we would see Leivo on LTIR as is not the case there must be some Bonuses Petey is unable to earn.

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3 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I thought you knew the CBA and that's why you were disagreeing with me so adamantly, the fact of the matter is you can't find something that isn't there no one can and you just wont admit it. ACSL is a made up term of Capfriendly.

If you could find it you would have done it in a heart beat to prove me wrong and only come up with this excuse because you have been proven wrong. Why don't you man up and say you are wrong after all you did the name calling not me.  

Etransfer me $150 for my consulting fee and I will explain it.  That is giving you a break as it is normally a 3hr minimum.

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18 minutes ago, Provost said:

I literally charge $150 an hour for consulting on labour relations, you have already received a lot of instruction for free. 
I am under no obligation to keep doing all your work for you unless you want to pay as much as my clients do (I would probably charge you more for the mental anguish).

I have proven you massively uninformed on several occasions in the last few pages, and included citations of why you are wrong.

if you did have a direct line to someone who actually understood this stuff, you wouldn’t even know what to ask them or what they told you if you stumble on the right question.

 

PS.  You couldn’t replace Ferland’s $3.5 LTIR cap hit with Peterson’s $3.775 cap hit even if Petterson was in the minors.  His cap hit exceeds Ferland’s.  You can’t even get the simplest things right.

Those bonuses would be the deferable bonuses the ones unable to be earned in season such as Calder trophy winner or finalist or team all star and I have all ready said these ones could be overages.

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