Popular Post HerrDrFunk Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hey Guys!! said: You can’t see it until you live somewhere else then return. You don’t even really notice it while you’re gone either. It’s when you come back you realize how grumpy Canadians are. I am Canadian. I’m not separating myself at all. Look at this rant, it’s so Canadian. I use to have a huge chip on my shoulder about the US. I use to think they were the arrogant ones, but that’s not the case at all. Canada has no flavour, no identity, no history. It’s like we are lost in the world. When someone asks where you are from and you say Canada. They will usually say Eh!! Or sorry eh? Houuuse. And laugh. We are a joke. JT didn’t help that image either. He is actually 100% exactly what the world thinks a Canadian is. Softly stuttering while trying to find the least offensive thing to say. As a transplant duel citizen living in the US, that hasn't been my experience at all. Maybe it's a you problem? Edited February 7, 2020 by HerrDrFunk 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lancaster Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 Unfortunately, there are many who don't (or won't) differentiate between illegal immigrants, refugees, and legal immigrants. Canada doesn't need immigrants to survive, that's just the narrative many parrot. That you need more people to grow the economy... yet completely avoiding the fact that unsustainable immigration reduces the quality of life. 1st generation immigrants on average earns less than a non-immigrants, the inability to transfer skills/credentials depresses wages locally, higher population levels increases property demand/cost. Those aren't positives. Not to say I'm against immigration (being second generation and being married to an immigrant), but there needs to be a way to accelerate integration. More streamlined recognition of credentials, but more importantly to acclimatize all newcomers to Canadian values. When you have segments of the population bringing in barbaric values such as honour killings and segregation of genders, other national groups entering Canada and promoting totalitarianism, etc.... these ideals goes against Canadian value. As of now, we have lessen barriers to entry, but has put up barriers to those people thrive... then we allow ethnic enclaves to exist that is completely counter-intuitive to creating an open and engaged society. For refugees... nobody is really against them... just many tends to stretch the definition to fit whatever narrative they wish to present. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey Guys!! Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: As a transplant duel citizen living in the US, that hasn't been my experience at all. Maybe it's a you problem? Where you living if you don’t mind me asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hey Guys!! said: Where you living if you don’t mind me asking? Los Angeles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey Guys!! Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, HerrDrFunk said: Los Angeles. I found the people in Los Angles mind their own biz, actually it’s pretty much the way it is in all the major cities. It’s not that they are rude, they just mind their own business. I’m not sure where you lived before but after living in LA for however long you have been there, you don’t feel like the people who surround you complain a lot less than people in Vancouver? I find it hard to believe you don’t get a more positive vibe in your daily routine in LA. It’s an amazing place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hey Guys!! said: I’ve worked and lived all over the world and I can tell you with great Shame and certainty that Canadians are actually some of the most whiny, jaded, entitled, offended and frankly rude people on the planet. We have an arrogance, a chip on our shoulder. We think we are better than the US and constantly criticize things about them like Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders when in reality nobody cares what Canada thinks and it’s really actually none of our business. The US doesn’t have a problem with us, they laugh at us, we are that angry nerd in high school that nobody even realizes is angry. Canadians think it’s hip to trust the government with their tax dollars. They think money will make it colder outside. They cry about pipelines, cry about people crying about pipelines. The country is becoming more and more “progressive” while concurrently becoming either homeless or in insurmountable debt. We have been taxed relentlessly for generations and have some of the most embarrassing infrastructure in the developed world. I actually choose to work out of country cause I hate being around Canadians in the workplace. There is no respect for chain of command. This board is a perfect micro example of a Canadian workplace. CDC is Notoriously known for supporting a certain narrative. Anyone walks out of line gets pecked at like a chick with a crooked beak until they get themselves banned for trying to beat them off. Canada is a beautiful country filled with miserable people. 24 minutes ago, Hey Guys!! said: You can’t see it until you live somewhere else then return. You don’t even really notice it while you’re gone either. It’s when you come back you realize how grumpy Canadians are. I am Canadian. I’m not separating myself at all. Look at this rant, it’s so Canadian. I use to have a huge chip on my shoulder about the US. I use to think they were the arrogant ones, but that’s not the case at all. Canada has no flavour, no identity, no history. It’s like we are lost in the world. When someone asks where you are from and you say Canada. They will usually say Eh!! Or sorry eh? Houuuse. And laugh. We are a joke. JT didn’t help that image either. He is actually 100% exactly what the world thinks a Canadian is. Softly stuttering while trying to find the least offensive thing to say. this is one of the most ridiculous set of posts I've seen in a very long time. And lazy. Have you ever bothered to travel across Canada? Do you even know any Canadian history? I think that your chip is alive and well. But thanks for demonstrating who would be on a thread like Hip is talking about. Edited February 7, 2020 by Jimmy McGill 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) The more places I go the more I appreciate home. One of the things that makes me proud to be Canadian is - Quote Canada prides itself at home and abroad as a country made up of a cultural mosaic rather than a cultural melting pot. The mosaic is based on our belief that Canada as a whole becomes stronger by having immigrants bring with them their cultural diversity for all Canadians to learn from. So I guess if I had one suggestion to make Canada great again, it's for more people to remember this. -------- Plus j'y vais, plus j'apprécie la maison. L'une des choses qui me rend fier d'être Canadien est ... Quote Le Canada est fier, au pays et à l'étranger, d'un pays composé d'une mosaïque culturelle plutôt que d'un creuset culturel. La mosaïque est basée sur notre conviction que le Canada dans son ensemble devient plus fort en faisant en sorte que les immigrants apportent avec eux leur diversité culturelle pour que tous les Canadiens apprennent. Je suppose donc que si j'avais une suggestion pour rendre le Canada encore meilleur, c'est pour que plus de gens s'en souviennent. * used Google translate to make official. Edited February 7, 2020 by Canada Hockey Place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said: This is stereotyping and it's the basis of bigotry, racism, and everything wrong with Canada/the world. You say "we" but go on to exclude yourself. Sometimes what we're seeing/getting is a reflection of what we're giving. This post hints of that to me. I believe Canada, as many other countries, is falling victim to leaders who use their power for agendas that aren't necessarily in the best interest of "the people"...but are for "the rich people". Other than that, this country's great. And the people are all different....you get whiny, jaded, entitled and the flipside, in some very caring, selfless individuals. Like any other place. So do people have to post their net worth as the criteria of how good a Canadian you are? Your guilty of the same point you are criticizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Hey Guys!! said: I’ve worked and lived all over the world and I can tell you with great Shame and certainty that Canadians are actually some of the most whiny, jaded, entitled, offended and frankly rude people on the planet. We have an arrogance, a chip on our shoulder. We think we are better than the US and constantly criticize things about them like Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders when in reality nobody cares what Canada thinks and it’s really actually none of our business. The US doesn’t have a problem with us, they laugh at us, we are that angry nerd in high school that nobody even realizes is angry. Canadians think it’s hip to trust the government with their tax dollars. They think money will make it colder outside. They cry about pipelines, cry about people crying about pipelines. The country is becoming more and more “progressive” while concurrently becoming either homeless or in insurmountable debt. We have been taxed relentlessly for generations and have some of the most embarrassing infrastructure in the developed world. I actually choose to work out of country cause I hate being around Canadians in the workplace. There is no respect for chain of command. This board is a perfect micro example of a Canadian workplace. CDC is Notoriously known for supporting a certain narrative. Anyone walks out of line gets pecked at like a chick with a crooked beak until they get themselves banned for trying to beat them off. Canada is a beautiful country filled with miserable people. I've met tons of Canadians who are hard working, respectful people who believe in the "chain of command". They enjoy the US, and visit friends and family down there. I'm thinking that your rampant generalization about Canadians is a facet of what's wrong with the country. Your vitriolic statements make it clear that you're a jaded, whiny, entitled, offended and frankly rude person. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hey Guys!! said: I found the people in Los Angles mind their own biz, actually it’s pretty much the way it is in all the major cities. It’s not that they are rude, they just mind their own business. I’m not sure where you lived before but after living in LA for however long you have been there, you don’t feel like the people who surround you complain a lot less than people in Vancouver? I find it hard to believe you don’t get a more positive vibe in your daily routine in LA. It’s an amazing place. I find that my day to day experiences, barring terrible traffic and the insanely high quality of Mexican food here, is more or less the same as they were in Vancouver. About the most "ignorant" thing I regularly hear when I tell people I'm Canadian is "Y'all are so nice!". While that may be a stereotype, I can think of much worse things than people thinking I'm predisposed to be nice; so it really doesn't bother me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Chicken. said: Immigration is great when they are able and willing to assimilate into Canadian culture. We are a nation of immigrants that still has a national identity to uphold which is increasingly difficult when people cling to their homeland and lack appreciation for their new country’s values. Many are great, a majority I’m sure, but a few bad apples always leave the lasting impression that skews the new Immigrant perception for some. Combine that with rising cost of living and tough job prospects people look for a scapegoat to blame. I don't fully agree with the sentiment but understand the train of thought, it doesn't help with our government being increasingly divisive with identity politics. Alas I still find Canada pretty great despite its faults, even though I am bias and fortunate in some circumstances, I see how some have developed a bitterness towards newcomers after slipping through the cracks and struggling to achieve what they want to. Sad. I agree with you on assimilation. Part of the bad apples you mention include the criminal element. A hundred years ago or so, there were plenty of issues with various Euro-immigrants who took to crime. Today, it's much the same with our newer immigrants. I'm not claiming that anywhere near a majority of immigrants are a criminal problem, but gang activities in particular get the public's attention. And that scares and/or pisses off a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I've met tons of Canadians who are hard working, respectful people who believe in the "chain of command". They enjoy the US, and visit friends and family down there. I'm thinking that your rampant generalization about Canadians is a facet of what's wrong with the country. Your vitriolic statements make it clear that you're a jaded, whiny, entitled, offended and frankly rude person. I don't want to accuse anyone of anything right now but there is that old cliche that springs to mind: "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, inane said: Loud minority does not mean anything. There are always going to be racist douchebags, that doesn’t mean it’s some kind of movement or majority. also, get off Facebook lol I've tried, desperately. Facebook is almost essential now for any business, a strong social media presence is the difference between business and bankruptcy. I've tinkered with my page and presence a half dozen times. If I completely restrict or eliminate everything from my personal page everything organic disappears and I am forced to pay Facebook/Instagram for any level of interaction or sight. I am forced to maintain a valid and viable presence just to ensure my business page continues to be seen without being forced to pay every day. Kinda sucks really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, Hey Guys!! said: You can’t see it until you live somewhere else then return. You don’t even really notice it while you’re gone either. It’s when you come back you realize how grumpy Canadians are. I am Canadian. I’m not separating myself at all. Look at this rant, it’s so Canadian. I use to have a huge chip on my shoulder about the US. I use to think they were the arrogant ones, but that’s not the case at all. Canada has no flavour, no identity, no history. It’s like we are lost in the world. When someone asks where you are from and you say Canada. They will usually say Eh!! Or sorry eh? Houuuse. And laugh. We are a joke. JT didn’t help that image either. He is actually 100% exactly what the world thinks a Canadian is. Softly stuttering while trying to find the least offensive thing to say. I've worked as far away as China and as far south as Belize, as far north as Greenland. Sorry eh...your statements and blame game are just whining and hold little weight. That's not arrogance that's pretty straight forward. I am willing to be a number of posters on here are very well traveled as well and would attest to that. I won't argue that there are entitled people here, arrogant as well. but your summation is not only out to lunch it is just basically your opinion and that's fine but holds no real weight 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, JC2 said: I personally hate the whole what country is the greatest debate because in the end there is no greatest, all nation's no matter how big and small have their strengths and weaknesses. If I could think of one single thing that would improve Canada it would be to start actually putting the people first. Instead of fighting over what it costs why can't the government realize how it can improve the lives of the people. I'm talking about things like a national daycare plan and better medical, more public transportation, affordable housing for all. Nothing ever happens because it always come down to if it's profitable enough. All they ever do is raise taxes to maintain stays quo but I'd bet most people would be ok paying more taxes if they were actually used to improve upon our lives. Same. I loath hearing a country or it's people refer to their homeland as the "best place of Earth". I hate hearing Vancouverites talking about how "world-class" their city is in some desperate attempt at being spoken of in the same breath as far superior cities. Or how BC has taken to calling itself the most beautiful place on Earth. Seriously? Get over yourself, BC. Same goes for the US. The jingoistic nature of the mindset of many Americans is both annoying and pathetic in it's myopic perspective. Every country has it's beauty that's specific and special, and every country has warts that are ugly and constant. No one is the best. No such thing. Maybe if countries stopped acting like kids competing for supremacy in a playground and actually realized that we're all just a bunch of apes on a rock circling a massive ball of gas and flame, we'd be able to put aside our differences a lot more effectively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think you need to look at who would be both creating and attracted to a site that parrots Trump. Ford Nation, alt-right, #wexit.... its the same gang. And then the "list". You and i have both posted the research, and people can easily look it up, immigrants and refugees make money for the host country. Thats why the most recent government panel is recommending an increase between 350,000 to 500,000 more people per year of people from both groups. Trudeau - well thats just sour grapes and poor leadership choices by other parties. Religion - go practice it, on yourself and your family. No problems there either. Ah the "left" - there's a particular poster that says the Canada of his birth has been irreparably harmed by the left, but when I ask him how or exactly what rights he's lost I get radio silence, or some silly hyperbolic story about something that "could" happen. There's a group of people out there that believe other people obtaining rights somehow takes away theirs. Its a perverted view of the Charter and is just wrong. Taxes - well, show me the evidence for a better system, I'm all ears. Veterans - a favourite topic of people that want to drape themselves in the flag to bolster their argument. Sad fact is, every gov't since in 1990s has let these folks down. Homelessness - let me guess, they weren't advocating for more affordable housing? That's the list. It's not the exit, ford, trump types. I searched numerous pages over numerous platforms and that list was the predominant reason why they felt canada was not great judging by the measure of posts. It was shocking honestly. I don't see canada as being "great" per say, but I also feel like great is a mater of perspective, with the size of this nation great might not be in your area but it doesn't mean 3000 kms away is not great or couldn't be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Blatant political corruption and incompetence both sides of the aisle and increasing unaffordability of necessities are two key examples of why this country isn't great. Rather, the country, the land itself is perfectly acceptable, beautiful, fantastic, but those running the day to day operations continue to ruin it for everybody else. Of course an immigrant from the Middle East won't agree with this but when they hail from a section of the world where the bar is literally laying on the ground at that point - there's nowhere to go but up. Other exceptions to the rule are those with naturally low standards or brain dead idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: I don't want to accuse anyone of anything right now but there is that old cliche that springs to mind: "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole". Totally. Perspective is key. There have been days when I've been the asshole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Chicken. said: Immigration is great when they are able and willing to assimilate into Canadian culture. We are a nation of immigrants that still has a national identity to uphold which is increasingly difficult when people cling to their homeland and lack appreciation for their new country’s values. Many are great, a majority I’m sure, but a few bad apples always leave the lasting impression that skews the new Immigrant perception for some. Combine that with rising cost of living and tough job prospects people look for a scapegoat to blame. I don't fully agree with the sentiment but understand the train of thought, it doesn't help with our government being increasingly divisive with identity politics. Alas I still find Canada pretty great despite its faults, even though I am bias and fortunate in some circumstances, I see how some have developed a bitterness towards newcomers after slipping through the cracks and struggling to achieve what they want to. Sad. There's no way I can argue this at all. I don't think for a moment that there isn't frustration in people wanting to enjoy our nation and it's laws but only when it suits them. We see that in almost every major city. Integration should be key. But freshly landed immigrants are not going to be their children, or grandchildren. Those ties to the "homelands" lessen and vanish within a generation or two. I just found it shocking that the biggest reasons people felt canada wasn't great to them was based on immigration, religion or political leaning. effectively saying that it's only based on your skin colour, country of origin or personal beliefs that this country isn't great. But it's still cool, just except those flavours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashian Kassian Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Warhippy said: Immigrants Refugees Trudeau Religion The left/Liberal people Taxes Veterans Homelessness and housing costs Well, Trudeau is a problem. When your 'settling' for the option that sucks the least, doesn't that signify a problem? (I would suggest with the political discourse, leading to problems with literally everything else). If the 'management' as you put it, has been a problem for some time (I'd tend to agree), maybe we should ask ourselves why that is and what we can do to make it better? (Same thing goes for down south with the - 'settling for the lesser...' - atleast they thought that at the time ) Trudeau himself is a problem, because he's - a) not a good leader - and b) he's a fosterer of the identity politics game & the accompanying division. As far as Taxes. Perhaps there's some people in your group, that have a simplistic - want the Gov't to 'leave them alone' - view. (which is fine). But for me; is asking to strive for more efficiency so hard where we can? I know we have checks & balances in place that inherently prohibit 'efficiency' (and I'm not saying abolish that structure, at all) but I can't help but feel like we could be better with our money & tax dollars than we are. And that's where you can identify and/or empathize with people struggling to get by or young ppl struggling to get started.... Or maybe some people can't, which perhaps is a problem & speaks to a bit of what HS!! was saying... When you hear stories of Surrey's leader entrapping Uber drives to give them massive fines (to protect what I assume are lobbists), only to pay their fares with Tax dollars, you wonder 'what are we doing here?'. Homelessness & housing cost are 2 different issues. I don't know enough to have the answer for the housing problem, but as a young person I hope we can figure it out. And I hope the answer isn't just, shove as many people into as tight a space as possible, but that appears to be the solution right now. (And there's companies in the construction industry making a killing off that 'solution') Homelessness is really difficult issue. The fact this Oppenheimer situation has been going on for so long, & we seem to be no closer to a solution (unless I'm missing something) is just a testament to that. Its more than just a political issue, and searching for the solution is intersected with morality & human nature. Immigrants & refugees - Canada needs immigration, that's not up for debate. Perhaps there's merit in a discussion about mass immigration, but that generally isn't an easy one to open up with the division & identity politics of today. Which I guess connects back to my first topic. As far as 'liberial left people' this is an example b/c you were in a 'right wing' FB group (though it does exist elsewhere for sure). Go to Universities & I'm sure center/right leaning people (or even some left leaning) would feel the same way about some of the folks. I've seen some pretty nefarious things on 'UBC students against bigotry'. Including an 'argument' I was in comparing the current day USA to Nazi Germany, where I was told I 'knew nothing' over & over again (rather than an actual response) when I would ask questions about this person's (overly simplified IMO) view. I'm not trying to take sides on that, I guess the point is this isn't an exclusive thing to either side, and it again ties into the first part of my post with the division & how critical it is to improve discourse. I agree with @Jimmy McGill on the Veterans. And religion is a topic that goes beyond just Canada & whether we are great or not. Edited February 7, 2020 by Smashian Kassian 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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