Wet'suwet'en Protests and Blockades in BC

[spur1]

2 minutes ago, Toyotasfan said:

Whenever a Canadian company becomes too successful it is dealt with harshly by American industrial espionage. Whether it be tariffs, scandal, or protests. Bombardier, BlackBerry, Nortel, Keystone. Our neighbors to the South won’t let us succeed. Yet we are good customers so we can buy from them.

Exactly...much like the Avro Arrow. 

[Toyotasfan]

9 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

stereotyping at best.... racist at worst....

The protest group Extinction Rebellion which bases out of United Kingdom has been protesting on Vancouver island . Nothing to do with the race card there.

[kingofsurrey]

1 minute ago, Toyotasfan said:

The protest group Extinction Rebellion which bases out of United Kingdom has been protesting on Vancouver island . Nothing to do with the race card there.

Yah right buddy... keep telling yourself that.

 

Racism in Canada against first nations is sickening....   needs to change. 

[Toyotasfan]

Just now, kingofsurrey said:

Yah right buddy... keep telling yourself that.

 

Racism in Canada against first nations is sickening....   needs to change. 

I don’t deny it, I don’t try to make it appear whether it is or isn’t there either. Lots more people enjoy peace than hatred. Environmental protesters really make perceptions worse. Some chiefs have had to denounce these people who have falsely used their bands name because they aren’t considerate .

[Toews]

28 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Yah right buddy... keep telling yourself that.

 

Racism in Canada against first nations is sickening....   needs to change. 

Racism sometimes starts off as resentment. It's what Chinese Canadians are having to deal with right now through no fault of their own due to the fear of the coronavirus. These protesters will indirectly cause a similar backlash to First Nations people if they persist, its not fair but its the way human beings think. Regardless of the intentions of these protesters, their actions are destructive to their stated cause which is the upliftment of their communities. I am curious what possible good you think can come out of this? 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Toews

[Squamfan]

 

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Toyotasfan said:

Whenever a Canadian company becomes too successful it is dealt with harshly by American industrial espionage. Whether it be tariffs, scandal, or protests. Bombardier, BlackBerry, Nortel, Keystone. Our neighbors to the South won’t let us succeed. Yet we are good customers so we can buy from them.

Oh shoot I posted this in the wrong thread. My bad 

The US deliberately does this, tmx, coastal it's all US money behind it. 

[Warhippy]

10 minutes ago, Squamfan said:

 

Coming from an area that literally saw numerous baby stabbings over a short period of time I am not shocked.  My band is from the area and they're what you'd call...economically depressed.  If anyone offered them up resource revenues for running a line through their area they'd jump and offer to dig for it

[Warhippy]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Oh shoot I posted this in the wrong thread. My bad 

The US deliberately does this, tmx, coastal it's all US money behind it. 

The US has a very vested interest in keeping Canadian oil landlocked and only running to American refineries.  Has since the OPEC crisis in the late 70s and energy issues throughout the 80s

[Ryan Strome]

8 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The US has a very vested interest in keeping Canadian oil landlocked and only running to American refineries.  Has since the OPEC crisis in the late 70s and energy issues throughout the 80s

I'll be honest I honestly did not think you were aware of this 

[Boudrias]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

Oh shoot I posted this in the wrong thread. My bad 

The US deliberately does this, tmx, coastal it's all US money behind it. 

While I consider Americans our greatest allies I am also amazed at how naive Canadians are. They take some pride at their supposed superiority but do almost nothing to prove it. The Americans, Russians and Chinese are threats to Canadian sovereignty. A strong Canada can assert a more independent economic destiny and thusly a more independent political pathway. These countries want a compliant source of resources and a market for their value added goods. 

 

Exploitation of Canada’s energy resources was a generational opportunity to establish true Canadian independence. That wealth could have created a path independent of foreign influence. Instead of a concrete plan we have nothing and will end up with nothing. A country with a commodity dependence and 1st world tastes. 

[Heretic]

On 2/10/2020 at 9:06 AM, NUCKER67 said:

This might be a silly observation, I'm a little ignorant to all of the complexities of this situation. But why wouldn't they just bypass the Wetsuwet'en reserves? Go around them, and then this way they wouldn't have to pay that First Nation memberships millions. Cut them out of the deal, then we'll see who complains.

Better yet - let them be a sovereign nation - that way they can't collect any benefits from the Canadian government unless they live in Canada and pay taxes.  

[Wayne Glensky]

1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

stereotyping at best.... racist at worst....

Racist against granola eaters? Lol, no such thing. 

[Warhippy]

58 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I'll be honest I honestly did not think you were aware of this 

it's been part of my argument for years.  How were you not aware of it?

 

for the gripes and complaints about environmental groups sending money to shut down projects in canada from the right; they rarely if ever mention tat US energy companies and politicians spend literally hundreds of times more to do the same thing.  America does not want our products to go to any other market than American.  American ensured that the original NAFTA negotiations almost ensured this.  American money (yes it was proven) actually helped push back against the NEP.  Reagan was almost open about it after the Iran issue, OPEC embargo and energy crisis that effectively lasted almost a decade.

 

Reagan did little more than repeat what Trudeau sr did.  That America should have the rights and path towards ensuring its own destiny in the energy markets and not be beholden to a foreign nation.  That reliance on the OPEC nations effectively meant America had a master.  Canada was the safest place to park money and ensure a reliable source of non conflict oil was always at hand.

 

Effectively ensuring that canada had no other market was one of Reagans biggest coup's during his tenure.  Bush Sr was set to continue it, but nobody expected Iraq to get ballsy and invade Saudi Arabia.  the US stepping in and essentially taking over for a time ensured the growth of Saudi Aramco to the heights it is and kept America flooded with Saudi oil.

 

No mas, I am painfully aware of how American money and policy ensured our oil never made it off shore.  It's also a large part in why we see American development slowing here in canada over the options of American markets.  They keep their leases here but don't have to do anything until such time as it's financially feasible for them to.  that ensures that canada takes blow after blow in energy resources and keeps us coming back almost begging and paying for them to come develop our product.

 

We've been effectively "hewers of wood and carriers of water" to the Americans since the end of the 70s/early 80s without even knowing it.  The most galling aspect of that is how we point the finger at each other instead of coming to that realization.  

 

For what it's worth.  I think if a smart politician made that point endlessly aware to Alberta, phrased it in a stance of patriotism that we allowed and are allowing America to screw us.  We'd see a level of unity we haven't been aware of since the early 70s.  Every province would get on board fairly quickly to stick it to the yanks.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Warhippy

[kingofsurrey]

LOL -   first nations people need to accept colonization and give up their resources....  They are only getting in the way of CDN corporate interests....

 

 

 

VICTORIA — Two people supporting Indigenous young people occupying the B.C. legislature’s front steps were arrested Thursday morning for painting messages in water-soluble chalk on and around the building.

 

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-people-arrested-at-legislature-for-painting-messages-in-chalk

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

LOL -   first nations people need to accept colonization and give up their resources....  They are only getting in the way of CDN corporate interests....

 

 

 

VICTORIA — Two people supporting Indigenous young people occupying the B.C. legislature’s front steps were arrested Thursday morning for painting messages in water-soluble chalk on and around the building.

 

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-people-arrested-at-legislature-for-painting-messages-in-chalk

Mischief and vandalism are still indictable offences.  The legislative building is sacrosanct and always has been.  Water soluble or not the guards/rcmp in charge of overwatch of the legislature have and always have had a no tolerance policy for any type of vandalism or non approved alterations of the grounds/building.

 

Most likely the two people will be released without being charged but it doesn't change that immutable fact.

 

As for your smarmy "colonization and give up" statement.  Grow up.  You don't now nor will you ever speak for my people.

[kingofsurrey]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Mischief and vandalism are still indictable offences.  The legislative building is sacrosanct and always has been.  Water soluble or not the guards/rcmp in charge of overwatch of the legislature have and always have had a no tolerance policy for any type of vandalism or non approved alterations of the grounds/building.

 

Most likely the two people will be released without being charged but it doesn't change that immutable fact.

 

As for your smarmy "colonization and give up" statement.  Grow up.  You don't now nor will you ever speak for my people.

I only speak for myself.  My first nations friends and relatives will have to speak on their own. Hopefully they are not bought off and still care about their bands lands, drinking water  and territories..    I know they do though as they have long term vision about preserving their environment.

 

You didn't mention if that receipt for gas worked.... did it cover up the lies you posted here last week......

Edited February 27, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[Russ]

7 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

An SKS is essentially a ak47

Essentially but technically different.  SKS are not full automatic (or atleast not sold as is, yes people can modify them).  An AK-47 is a fully automatic which makes it prohibited.  For a leader of a group/party/etc to throw out AK-47 is stupid, just slight accuracy is would be nice once in a while.  Just like the classification of "assault rifles", those are illegal, just because a gun looks like one (lets be honest most guns look similar in their classifcations, ie. every shotgun is similar, hunting rifles are similar, etc.) does not mean it is one so when something like AK-47/assualt rifle is thrown out there constantly is just frustrating.  And I am not a gun owner, I don't even care for guns, never shot one before and probably never will, but I do respect them and would like to see accuracy when people spit out random ass statements.

[Violator]

45 minutes ago, Russ said:

Essentially but technically different.  SKS are not full automatic (or atleast not sold as is, yes people can modify them).  An AK-47 is a fully automatic which makes it prohibited.  For a leader of a group/party/etc to throw out AK-47 is stupid, just slight accuracy is would be nice once in a while.  Just like the classification of "assault rifles", those are illegal, just because a gun looks like one (lets be honest most guns look similar in their classifcations, ie. every shotgun is similar, hunting rifles are similar, etc.) does not mean it is one so when something like AK-47/assualt rifle is thrown out there constantly is just frustrating.  And I am not a gun owner, I don't even care for guns, never shot one before and probably never will, but I do respect them and would like to see accuracy when people spit out random ass statements.

Sks is a poor mans ak47 with mods it can look like an ak47

Automatic rifle is only illegal until you get caught.If your illegally blockading a railway crossing i don't think you care about anything else.

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2020 by Violator

[kingofsurrey]

Hopefully with todays negotiations... some kind of a settlement can be reached that all parties can agree to.

 

Respectful negotiations are the key to any deal going forward.  Compromises may have to made by all the involved parties....

Edited February 28, 2020 by kingofsurrey