Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, 5Fivehole0 said: There would never have been a conditional if he didn't intend to sign him... The trade is a huge W if we win 1 or 2 rounds and resign him Conditional is only a fourth and that’s at the 2022 draft. Basically that’s simply a courtesy. Tofu is a rental, and I think that’s better than resigning him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disgruntler Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Petey Hughes MacEwen Bo Gaudette Virtanen Motte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, stawns said: To me, Roussel is the likely fwd to be moved in the next week How much sweetener would we have to add though to dump him? I don’t think we can afford that cost. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The price paid makes more sense now with the Brock injury. Couldn’t throw away the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Benning knew what needed to be done and made a decision. It's a very smart move. Not sure if anyone asked if he done yet, I'd assume he still sees the defense as a weakness that needs addressing. How much of that falls on Baumgartner's systems and how much falls on the personnel remains to be seen. As well, Benning may try to secure some extra viciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Disgruntler said: Petey Hughes MacEwen Bo Gaudette Virtanen Motte What? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Boeser, Leivo and Ferland out for the year forced Benning's hand. Playoffs may not happen unless he brings in another Top 6 player. I'm not worried Toffoli won't re-sign. There's some forwards that will be leaving the team over the next couple of years: Sutter, Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel and Ferland. And new, cheap forwards making their way up: Podkolzin, Hoglander, Lind and Focht. By then Horvat will be a veteran, and guys like Hughes and Boeser will be in their mid-20s. This team should be fun to watch for trhe next 15 years. Looking forward to seeing Toffoli play on our side tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 After listening to Jim's explanation of the situation I can't say I love it, but I can understand where they're coming from. Relieved to hear that Toffoli re-signing is considered a possibility; that could make this look a lot better long term imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, stawns said: To me, Roussel is the likely fwd to be moved in the next week With LTIR Canucks have over 5.5M in cap space to add. There are no roster limits past the TDL and would think that Benning wants to keep depth going into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Forward lines at practice today: Pearson-Horvat-Eriksson Miller-Pettersson-Toffoli Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen Motte/MacEwen-Beagle-Sutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drofssalg Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Seems like 96 pages of support for this trade. I will just log my dislike for it. If all goes "well" they get 30 games of Toffoli (23 games left + 7 game rd 1 loss). I see this trade as jumping the gun - too early in the teams progression to be giving away picks and prospects. I don't believe the prospect pool is deep enough that the Canucks can afford to lose a second and a highly touted prospect for a 30 game rental. The only way Toffoli is re-signed unless another player is lost in the off season. Virtanen? Leivo? Stecher? Tanev? Signing Toffoli, Tanev, Stecher, Gaudette, Virtanen, Leivo and Markstrom (and losing a FA will not recoup any assets) will not fit when you have to sign Pettersson, Hughes, replace/sign Edler and Pearson and replace Sutter the following season. Even if the Canucks can find a way to get rid of LE's 6 million they are in cap trouble going forward. And by cap trouble it simply means you can't keep everyone - it is mathematically impossible. You need to lose the Roussel's and Beagle's and replace them with 1 million dollar players (which is why lots of us questioned why they were signed in the first place) and there is no way you are trading either of those 2 in a year or two without giving up assets to encourage someone to take them. Toffoli is not a bad player. Will he help the playoff push? Sure - especially with Boeser out. Does he guarantee the Canucks make the playoffs? Nope. Lots can happen over the next 6 weeks or so. The Canucks could as easily be in the playoffs as out and this trade does nothing to change that. Edited February 18, 2020 by drofssalg 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, the grinder said: so you would rather give up chasing a playoff spot then? with Brock out 3 weeks or longer and ferland done , JB went out and fixed a problem , ya it cost us a 2nd and madden , big deal , moves like this can boost a team , shows that management is willing to do whatever to give a team it's best chance to win . I bet the players are happy TDL rentals are desperate deals.....team should have depth without rentals. what I’m upset with, really.....is the throw away picks....it’s bad negotiating....any word of draft pick leaving should be laughed at and hung up on. Edited February 18, 2020 by HockeyHarry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Devron44 said: Who do you guys think are the 7 young NHLers JB was taking about. Take a stab y’all Pod Hog Lind Brisbois Rafferty Woo ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Oh god just saw that 8 weeks is brutal 2nd round at earliest IMO. Wouldn't be expecting him back at all. The urgency in getting Toffoli makes more sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, HockeyHarry said: TDL rentals are desperate deals.....team should have depth without rentals. what I’m upset with, really.....is the throw away picks....it’s bad negotiating....any word of draft pick leaving should be laughed at a hung up on. That’s pretty much what JB said. He said He made the Tofu trade because Bess is done for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, gurn said: Pod Hog Lind Brisbois Rafferty Woo ? Maybe he included Mac, btw that was one of the greatest things in that interview. Mac has made the team. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 so @stawns regarding our discussion Brock vs Jake. Turns out that this move was meant to replace BB. With toffoli practicing on the first line instead of Jake, will that be enough info for us to think that management doesnt trust Jake enough in the top 6 yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, gurn said: Pod Hog Lind Brisbois Rafferty Woo ? I think it should be 7 forward depth players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said: Boeser out 8 weeks at least Possibly rest of season. He'll be back just in time for our extended playoff run.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Benning knew what needed to be done and made a decision. It's a very smart move. Not sure if anyone asked if he done yet, I'd assume he still sees the defense as a weakness that needs addressing. How much of that falls on Baumgartner's systems and how much falls on the personnel remains to be seen. As well, Benning may try to secure some extra viciousness. That was asked and he said they continue to look, but could very well be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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