Popular Post aGENT Posted February 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Me_ said: Just looked at the Toronto salary structure. OUCH. The Canucks are immensely better built. Not if you listen to our media and some of the yahoos around here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 My guess is Benning is looking at any deal where he can unload salary for next season. I’m thinking he only pulls the trigger on a deal if he can include Baertschi or Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, zduck14 said: I'd love to see Barrie with Edler. Over his career, Edler has always played his best hockey with offensive guys like Ehrhoff, Salo, Karlsson (international). It would also give the Canucks more than one d pairing that can actually move the puck taking some of the pressure off Hughes. Only potential downside I can think of may be the cost..... Very well said! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, CJ44 said: Virtanen has taken a step forward this year and is carving out a nice role for himself, I don't see them moving him although his stock is the highest it's been since he was drafted. Hey, I don't disagree. Partially why I feel if something like this move happens, it happens in the summer, not the TDL. I'd be wary of moving him before seeing what 'playoff Virtanen' looks like. But as you note, he probably hasn't been worth more in trade... Plus if Benning does manage to re-sign Toffoli, the writing is pretty much on the wall that one of Virtanen/Boeser is getting moved for a D IMO. (Yet another reason this likely happens in the summer). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Yes. His defensive game is so bad that he's still hurting the team. Zero interest in defensemen who can't play defense. There are former Norris trophy winners and candidates with a worse plus minus than Barrie, Erik Karlsson was a -15 on the season but you can make a strong argument he wasnt necessarily hurting the team, and that the team is undoubtedly better with him in the lineup. Im of course not saying Barrie is a better defensive player but the game will always have a place for "offensive defenseman" with multiple 50 plus point seasons. The power play is a big role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BertaNuck Posted February 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2020 No way virt is traded we need size for playoffs and he is finally using it 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, CJ44 said: He wouldn't be in the NHL if it were that cut and dry. I dont disagree he's not great in his own zone. I don't think he SHOULD be in the NHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CJ44 said: There are former Norris trophy winners and candidates with a worse plus minus than Barrie, Erik Karlsson was a -15 on the season but you can make a strong argument he wasnt necessarily hurting the team, and that the team is undoubtedly better with him in the lineup. Im of course not saying Barrie is a better defensive player but the game will always have a place for "offensive defenseman" with multiple 50 plus point seasons. The power play is a big role. Yes, but the "offensive defenseman" should still be capable of playing like an NHLer in his own zone. It's not an unreasonable standard and Barrie fails to meet it by a wide margin. Edited February 23, 2020 by King Heffy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I could see something like stecher mcewan Conditional pick for barrie. I think someone else will land him though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I don't think he SHOULD be in the NHL. Some of us don’t think you should be on this board. Does that prevent you from letting your fingers type rubbbish? No. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Silky mitts said: I could see something like stecher mcewan Conditional pick for barrie. I think someone else will land him though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Yes, but the "offensive defenseman" should still be capable of playing like an NHLer in his own zone. It's not an unreasonable standard and Barrie fails to meet it by a wide margin. Drew Doughty was a -34 last year, and is -18 this season, the statistics are saying Barrie isnt necessarily as bad in his own zone as other top NHL calibre players. My point is your argument is grossly exaggerated and seems to come from personal emotions rather than actual statistics. I can name many other offensive dmen with similar numbers who are considered effective players in their role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, aGENT said: Plus if Benning does manage to re-sign Toffoli, the writing is pretty much on the wall that one of Virtanen/Boeser is getting moved for a D IMO. (Yet another reason this likely happens in the summer). I disagree. All it takes is one injury and you need a player to fall into the top 6. Loui just needs to be off the books. And I’m pretty positive that will happen this year - crazy I know. Boeser just now going to be 23 years old. He’s part of the core and I have a hard time seeing them part with him. People can say all they want about his production but he’s very young still and goal scorers are not easy to come by. Virtanen isn’t going to make huge money anytime soon either. I just can’t see it - but I’ll sit and watch all the trade rumours and proposals about Brock or JV being traded this summer Edited February 23, 2020 by Devron44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 what is the analytic d zone stats people look at for d men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Me_ said: Case closed. I think you’re using words you haven’t learned yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, CJ44 said: Drew Doughty was a -34 last year, and is -18 this season, the statistics are saying Barrie isnt necessarily as bad in his own zone as other top NHL calibre players. My point is your argument is grossly exaggerated and seems to come from personal emotions rather than actual statistics. I can name many other offensive dmen with similar numbers who are considered effective players in their role. Eye test. Watch the guy play in any random game and he's inevitably a trainwreck in his own zone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Me_ said: Some of us don’t think you should be on this board. Does that prevent you from letting your fingers type rubbbish? No. Says the guy who's dream lineup seems to involve a time machine... Spare parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Eye test. Watch the guy play in any random game and he's inevitably a trainwreck in his own zone. Yet hes a Norris trophy winner, multiple Norris trophy nominee and multiple Stanley Cup champion whos won at every level and regarded as one of the top tier defensemen in the league. See how the things your saying are easily discredited by facts? Edited February 23, 2020 by CJ44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, CJ44 said: Yet hes a Norris trophy winner, multiple Norris trophy nominee and multiple Stanley Cup champion whos won at every level and regarded as one of the top tier defensemen in the league. See how the things your saying are easily discredited facts? I don't recall Barrie winning any of these things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 more games left today. You would think after that the rumours will really start circulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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