[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Montreal Canadiens | Feb. 25, 2020

[Qwags]

31 minutes ago, PuckFather said:

Not according to hockey experts on HFboards 

Canucks could win a Cup, and HFboards would complain we didn't sweep our way to it.

[bree2]

1 hour ago, rychicken said:

but I would take Toffoli in our own end 1000x more than BB6.... 

right now , but this just means Boeser has 4 more years to be like Toffoli, why shouldn't we give Bess a chance to develop more, we gave Jake 5 years and he still doesn't have his full complete game. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

2 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Different times now. The respect culture seems to the more well adapted one. If Gallant has a mindset that he thinks he can do a better job (despite Green still working and he's out of a job), then that doesn't seem to show a whole lot of respect. In today's game, I'd argue that Trotz is the best in the game, but I don't see a whole lot of arrogance coming from him (although I can't say I follow him enough in that kind of detail to know).

Worked with this bloke's cousin, back in the late-80's. Heard some funny tales(Cape Breton'ers, thru & thru I was told)

 

Very glad we've stuck with Green up to here. A truckload more intelligence to utilize.

[spur1]

19 minutes ago, Moose Nuckle said:

Badminton?

Pickle ball 

[J.I.A.H.N]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

It's pretty sad really, how after three games BB is considered expendable.   We need as many guys like him, a little worse or better in their ealry 20's as we can.   Can't imagine why some are giving up on him so quick ...  look at any player not named Bure or Linden and see what he's accomplished at his age already.  The WCE and Sedin teams played a lot better in their late 20's then they did off the hop.  It's very rare that a player doesn't get better with time and experience...and even if he's peaked he was around 4th in scoring for R wingers when he went down.  Good grief - sometimes I wonder about our fan base.   Fickle.   TT has been great so far - he is playing for a contract after all, and his career year was the one before his last contract wasn't it?   Would be awesome if we could keep them both and it is possible.   My money is on BB becoming a very very good player at 25-32.   Trading for picks is idiotic unless it's at least a couple firsts, and lottery tickets at that (below 16).   Trading for a RHD of similar age ability ok maybe too.   But still would rather just keep him.  

I have been pondering this too, I Batch

It is not the value of Boeser that is the issue

and I do not have the answer

But the question / point is...........

 

Since Toffoli is an UFA, with no real value

then is moving Boeser an alternative that can help us?

If the answer is no, than we let Toffoli go

Because as you suggest Boeser is very good

 

Ottawa traded Pageau (27 years old) for a 1st, 1 2nd and a conditional 3rd

really just a 1st and a 2nd

IMO, Boeser is worth a lot more than that, because of his age

So, "IF" we are offered a substantial bit more.......

1) a roster player 2) 1st and 3) a prospect, it would matter who and what are the pieces

For example......Florida offers

 

1. Matheson + Tippett and a 1st.....you jump at it quick

2. If it is Tippett and a 1st......I think you think about it alot

3. If it is a 1st and a 2nd......I turn it down, quickly

 

I don't think they need a RW, even of Brocks pedigree, but using them as a example

I think that is worth looking at it

 

I would also, say that as much as I like Boeser, he is not a driver of play

Toffoli appears to be...I like drivers, so for me, it might be different than you

 

I am not in any way saying we should do it......only consider it

 

When you are standing still you are going backwards, so we should never be satisfied, and always looking to improve.

 

IMO, Toffoli + Boeser's return, is substantially greater, than loosing Toffoli and keeping Boeser

[Nuxfanabroad]

Liked what we saw from Gaudette yesterday. Thought he was in a bit of a lull, in recent weeks. When him & Jake get rolling, they seem like pretty good linemates. Down the road, like to see a bigger body on that line's LW.

[Nuxfanabroad]

2 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

We've been pretty healthy all year. The I jury bug was going to hit us eventually 

WTH..our boys got jury-duty, now?!

[spook007]

54 minutes ago, Qwags said:

It's guaranteed that Horvat gets one of Boeser or Toffoli. Excellent options as wingers.

Yeah if anyone deserves a good winger on a permanent basis, its him. He’s always getting the ahort end of the straw, when they are short of quality wingers. 

[Alflives]

15 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Yeah if anyone deserves a good winger on a permanent basis, its him. He’s always getting the ahort end of the straw, when they are short of quality wingers. 

Bess with Bo works nicely.  Sign Tofu to play with Petey and Miller.  Then Bo can be the skill guy on Bo’s line.  Bo’s vision, hockey sense, and passing skills are excellent.  PPG players, like Bess, will drive a line with their passing skills.  

[Nuxfanabroad]

26 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I have been pondering this too, I Batch

It is not the value of Boeser that is the issue

and I do not have the answer

But the question / point is...........

 

Since Toffoli is an UFA, with no real value

then is moving Boeser an alternative that can help us?

If the answer is no, than we let Toffoli go

Because as you suggest Boeser is very good

 

Ottawa traded Pageau (27 years old) for a 1st, 1 2nd and a conditional 3rd

really just a 1st and a 2nd

IMO, Boeser is worth a lot more than that, because of his age

So, "IF" we are offered a substantial bit more.......

1) a roster player 2) 1st and 3) a prospect, it would matter who and what are the pieces

For example......Florida offers

 

1. Matheson + Tippett and a 1st.....you jump at it quick

2. If it is Tippett and a 1st......I think you think about it alot

3. If it is a 1st and a 2nd......I turn it down, quickly

 

I don't think they need a RW, even of Brocks pedigree, but using them as a example

I think that is worth looking at it

 

I would also, say that as much as I like Boeser, he is not a driver of play

Toffoli appears to be...I like drivers, so for me, it might be different than you

 

I am not in any way saying we should do it......only consider it

 

When you are standing still you are going backwards, so we should never be satisfied, and always looking to improve.

 

IMO, Toffoli + Boeser's return, is substantially greater, than loosing Toffoli and keeping Boeser

Thanks..was a little lazy, but wanted to post something of this sort. Your last sentence especially catches the gist.

[spook007]

29 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I have been pondering this too, I Batch

It is not the value of Boeser that is the issue

and I do not have the answer

But the question / point is...........

 

Since Toffoli is an UFA, with no real value

then is moving Boeser an alternative that can help us?

If the answer is no, than we let Toffoli go

Because as you suggest Boeser is very good

 

Ottawa traded Pageau (27 years old) for a 1st, 1 2nd and a conditional 3rd

really just a 1st and a 2nd

IMO, Boeser is worth a lot more than that, because of his age

So, "IF" we are offered a substantial bit more.......

1) a roster player 2) 1st and 3) a prospect, it would matter who and what are the pieces

For example......Florida offers

 

1. Matheson + Tippett and a 1st.....you jump at it quick

2. If it is Tippett and a 1st......I think you think about it alot

3. If it is a 1st and a 2nd......I turn it down, quickly

 

I don't think they need a RW, even of Brocks pedigree, but using them as a example

I think that is worth looking at it

 

I would also, say that as much as I like Boeser, he is not a driver of play

Toffoli appears to be...I like drivers, so for me, it might be different than you

 

I am not in any way saying we should do it......only consider it

 

When you are standing still you are going backwards, so we should never be satisfied, and always looking to improve.

 

IMO, Toffoli + Boeser's return, is substantially greater, than loosing Toffoli and keeping Boeser

This is a great argument. 
1. You always listen... doesn’t mean you have to react on it, but you always listen.

2. Driver of play issue is the same Stawns has brought up a few times.... 

3. Age wise Brock has lots of time to grow and potentially become one of the best snipers in the league. 
 

It shall be interesting to see how it unfolds. I would be really pleased to see both BB and TT occupy our two top RW positions in the future. 

[stawns]

38 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I have been pondering this too, I Batch

It is not the value of Boeser that is the issue

and I do not have the answer

But the question / point is...........

 

Since Toffoli is an UFA, with no real value

then is moving Boeser an alternative that can help us?

If the answer is no, than we let Toffoli go

Because as you suggest Boeser is very good

 

Ottawa traded Pageau (27 years old) for a 1st, 1 2nd and a conditional 3rd

really just a 1st and a 2nd

IMO, Boeser is worth a lot more than that, because of his age

So, "IF" we are offered a substantial bit more.......

1) a roster player 2) 1st and 3) a prospect, it would matter who and what are the pieces

For example......Florida offers

 

1. Matheson + Tippett and a 1st.....you jump at it quick

2. If it is Tippett and a 1st......I think you think about it alot

3. If it is a 1st and a 2nd......I turn it down, quickly

 

I don't think they need a RW, even of Brocks pedigree, but using them as a example

I think that is worth looking at it

 

I would also, say that as much as I like Boeser, he is not a driver of play

Toffoli appears to be...I like drivers, so for me, it might be different than you

 

I am not in any way saying we should do it......only consider it

 

When you are standing still you are going backwards, so we should never be satisfied, and always looking to improve.

 

IMO, Toffoli + Boeser's return, is substantially greater, than loosing Toffoli and keeping Boeser

but is moving Boeser for a big return and keeping Toffoli better than keeping boeser and losing TT?

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, spook007 said:

This is a great argument. 
1. You always listen... doesn’t mean you have to react on it, but you always listen.

2. Driver of play issue is the same Stawns has brought up a few times.... 

3. Age wise Brock has lots of time to grow and potentially become one of the best snipers in the league. 
 

It shall be interesting to see how it unfolds. I would be really pleased to see both BB and TT occupy our two top RW positions in the future. 

For this reason, I think Jake is harder to replace than BB.

[Nuxfanabroad]

3 minutes ago, spook007 said:

This is a great argument. 
1. You always listen... doesn’t mean you have to react on it, but you always listen.

2. Driver of play issue is the same Stawns has brought up a few times.... 

3. Age wise Brock has lots of time to grow and potentially become one of the best snipers in the league. 
 

It shall be interesting to see how it unfolds. I would be really pleased to see both BB and TT occupy our two top RW positions in the future. 

All good pts, SP. But then we wonder where VP & KL will come in?

 

Within the cap paradigm, IF your team is rising(oodles of young talent), I'd argue it's really wise to recycle 1 or 2 high profile pieces into more high picks(keeping the ELC conveyor belt rolling like a cheap sushi joint).

[Darius]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

For this reason, I think Jake is harder to replace than BB.

objectively speaking, and being honest here, id like to see stats that show Jake drives play more than BB does.  For Jake you can argue that he has the speed advantage and may be more sound defensively (just guessing....and from the fact that he has been tutored in the defense department by more coaches in their dog house than Brock)  but play driver?  what do you have other than your "eye test"?

 

[-DLC-]

42 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

WTH..our boys got jury-duty, now?!

Yes...the case against the refs for murdering the game(s).

[Nuxfanabroad]

Just now, debluvscanucks said:

Yes...the case against the refs for murdering the game(s).

Reminds me of that court scene wall poster the team put out in the early 90's!(they were all in costume)

[J.I.A.H.N]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

but is moving Boeser for a big return and keeping Toffoli better than keeping boeser and losing TT?

I am only one man, but I think so?

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Just now, Nuxfanabroad said:

Reminds me of that court scene wall poster the team put out in the early 90's!(they were all in costume)

Oh, don't remember that one.  I remember the Western theme..was hilarious.

[Alflives]

8 minutes ago, stawns said:

For this reason, I think Jake is harder to replace than BB.

Jake has a unique combination of a heavy lower body and super fast skater.  Bess has elite hockey sense, vision, and passing skills.  Bess drives play, and (when he comes back) should be on Bo’s wing.