aqua59 Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 19 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: so you're unhappy because Jim managed to get Miller for a 1st, instead of dumping Loui for a 1st? is that about the sum of it? No I'm unhappy this isn't a team built for the playoffs. And yes I'm unhappy that Loui is still here. I said nothing about miller for a 1st. You cooked up that thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, aqua59 said: No I'm unhappy this isn't a team built for the playoffs. And yes I'm unhappy that Loui is still here. I said nothing about miller for a 1st. You cooked up that thought. I would tend to disagree that we aren’t built for the playoffs we’ve added some good size forwards up front. One more defensemen with size would be great but overall we are well positioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 People cry about those contracts, but how many of them will be here next summer? Loui's? Lol. Our oldest core piece is Horvat at 25 (in April). Our Cup window is just barely cracking open. We can wait out these contracts, especially since most of the ones you pointed out only have one year left. Cap is not really an issue. The only contracts I'd say look bad are the Ferland and Eriksson contracts. Ferland's cause of health and nobody expected Eriksson to go from 30 goal scorer to 30 point player over one summer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, sassbs said: F that! Even here in Toronto, everyone hates Nylander. There’s a reason for that. All this guy does is float and is a perimeter player. come playoff time he is nowhere to be found. He’s a season stat player. So, a Naslund? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 hours ago, IBatch said: Doubt LE walks away from 5 million (last two years). Maybe he will his last year - or maybe then we can do a Marleau type deal (cost would be like Backes next TDL). Hope he does. That said where's the money for EP and Hughes coming from if we use it all up like this? Sutter and Pearson? Not enough, and they need replacements. Suppose it's possible. Getting Tryamkin back could be nice too. Hurts my head to think about it...hope JBs cap plans work out....QH is playing himself into one boffo deal. Edler drops off, Pearson drops off, we have other guys getting replaced from Utica with lower ELC contracts. Podkolzin will be here replacing someone who has a higher dollar value contract with one that's 925k. Plus, new broadcasting agreement kicks in which will give a more significant increase to the cap. I'm not saying it won't be tight. Most of the teams who are trying to go after a cup, have little room against the cap. I think EP and Hughes are about 11 million each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: So, a Naslund? 36 points in 56 playoff games. Ya he just disappeared in the playoffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacholu Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 3/2/2020 at 8:39 AM, aqua59 said: Well here it is one week after the trade deadline and the Canucks have fallen face flat on the ice. I just finished reading an article regarding Boston moving David Backes to the Ducks. The article is clear that moving David Backes to the Ducks gave the Bruins some much needed cap space to make some moves. It was a five year $30 million deal. Sound familiar? It was a sound move on the Bruins part. It seems every team has an albatross contract these days but no where near as many as Vancouver. Meanwhile in Vancouver there are more than one crap deal that's on the books. Loui Ericksson, 6million /year Sven Baertschi, 2.7million /year, on the books n the minors because he can't cut it. Nikolay Goldobin, $900,000. /year Brandon Sutter, $4.375,000/year Total $13,975,000 Now I'm not clear on how much of this actually counts against the Canucks cap but regardless this is an expensive pair of handcuffs haunting this team. That's a lot of money to sign present players to new contracts but even more so there would have been leverage the team could have dearly used this past trade deadline. This right now not tomorrow Jim. These are 4 players basically moot when on the ice and yes I'm including Brandon Sutter. He's prone to injury and hasn't done much other than shadow the odd guy of late. Disappointing veteran who could have led the way yesterday by example of how to finish a game out. Loui Ericksson, the best open net specialist in the league, does nothing. How many times have we seen Loui not being able to finish with a clear scoring chance most others would bury? I'm really getting tired of hearing the ",hes so good defensively," line. Meanwhile JB states they can draw from within? Maybe so but Travis Green has to play those call ups sitting in the press box. If we can live with Loui we can live with a up and comers growth mistakes. That's how a player grows isn't it? The other two stuck in the minors belong there. Vancouver is no where near big or tough enough. The skill that Benning has drafted has been great to say the least yet his business dealings have been a disaster. So it's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. Should Benning remain in charge of this group? After this past road trip I say it's time the Aquilini's to strongly consider change, which I think they have done long ago but are waiting to re evaluate at seasons end. JB has cost the group a lot of money and they have been more than patient, they threw their support behind? Benning over Linden which fractured the relationship between the Canucks and Trevor Linden. The cost has been beyond money. (I'm not saying things would be any different with Linden's direction either, we don't know because he isn't here). Any one stating this is a worthy play off team has to re-evaluate their position. The losses on this road trip were the wrong kind of losses to be involved in at this time of year. They were choker losses. If I watch Toronto and think they are an impostor chump team that will never get past, Boston, Washington nor Tampa in the playoffs how do we think Vancouver would do in the West? St Louis, Colorado and Vegas are ramping things up and steam rolling these days. Do we think Vancouver is ready for these teams? The Goaltending with Markstrom out has not been good but part of that is due to the team play in front of the goalies. Markstrom has covered up a lot of flaws this. Look at the shots allowed every game. It's insane, far too many. This team is not built for the play offs. It's still an October team. This team needs another lottery draft and some big changes in the front office this off season. I really like JB and have supported him over all hoping for some drastic change. Prudent drafting has saved this mans job but i'm starting to think his contract may not be renewed in the off season and I'm not against that. It's time to move on from Jim Benning. I'm not happy. This past road trip took me back to the feeling of last season's group. Not good enough with some great players. You forgot to add Beagle at $3M and Roussel $3M. Soon Tyler Myers contract of $5M will be similar to Lui. So yah that's another $11M on the books for dead weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: Eriksson was coming off a 30 goal season and had shown considerable chemistry with the Sedins in World competition. That said, we should have only signed him for 4 seasons, but to come here, he wanted security that he would be stable while his kids were in school. I really believe that he will retire this summer after his next bonus. I don't see him as a buyout option this season as we would save more by sending him to Utica, a move that we have the right to do, but would undermine what Eriksson was trying to do, be in the same city as his family while they go through school. We have Leverage. Ferland, when he was healthy, he was starting to look pretty good here. If he's healthy next season great, if not, his 3.5 million per on LTIR, doesn't hurt us. Leverage? The team had leverage last season to trade Edler for two months and then resign him and get a pick, they didn't do it. Now you would use some kids as leverage to extort 5 million from a player? Ferland was out with concussion issues last season with Carolina he came back in the playoffs and was out again right away, he finished the year with a concussion, it was big news. BTW Eriksson's history showed that he only had good seasons in his contract years and when he played with the best players that one season, 2 two 30 goal season's almost 8 years apart. Hey, Pastrnak looks good in that spot eh?. Edited March 3, 2020 by Lazurus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lazurus said: Leverage? The team had leverage last season to trade Edler for two months and then resign him and get a pick, they didn't do it. Now you would use some kids as leverage to extort 5 million from a player? Ferland was out with concussion issues last season with Carolina he came back in the playoffs and was out again right away, he finished the year with a concussion, it was big news. Yes, Ferland was out with concussion issues last season, and its why he signed for 3.5 million instead of 5 - 5.5 million. His condition was reviewed with team doctors before he signed here. Again, if he never plays another game and just stays on LTIR, it doesn't hurt us, the same as Dorsett didn't hurt us when he had to stay on LTIR for the duration of his contract and then retire. My personal opinion on Ferland is: #1, he wasn't fully over concussion from last season, but symptoms didn't really resurface until that fight. #2. For his family, he should probably stop playing and just stay on LTIR. As for Edler, he held a FULL NTC, not even a modified one. That full NTC was given to him by Mike Gillis, near the end of his term in Vancouver. So, based on the fact that he had a full NTC, where exactly do you see the "leverage" to trade Edler? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 17 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Yeah that guarantees him a job doesn't it! Well it does make NOT re-signing him this summer a non-starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 hours ago, sassbs said: F that! Even here in Toronto, everyone hates Nylander. There’s a reason for that. All this guy does is float and is a perimeter player. come playoff time he is nowhere to be found. He’s a season stat player. I've never seen a player cherrypick as hard as Nylander in that Canucks-Leafs game. I knew he wasn't the greatest defensively, but I thought all the complaints were typical Toronto hyperbole. Nope. He blew the zone early every chance he got, potentially the most floating I've ever seen in an NHL game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 4 hours ago, aqua59 said: No I'm unhappy this isn't a team built for the playoffs. And yes I'm unhappy that Loui is still here. I said nothing about miller for a 1st. You cooked up that thought. sorry there was so much moaning the in the OP I must have made that up. This team is competitive a year earlier than planned. Thats a good thing. As far as "built for the playoffs" goes there's more than one way to do that. You don't know what this team is in the playoffs yet, either. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 "Myers is bad"..............."oh, no Myers is out, we're done".................... oh CDC 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, spur1 said: 36 points in 56 playoff games. Ya he just disappeared in the playoffs Cherry picking one metric out of that tirade of faults concerning Nylander - and all you could do was find a mediocre offensive stat to prop-up one-dimensional Naslund? Haha of course. Soft, perimeter, playoff player though? Yup. Naslund and Nylander play virtually the same style, though Nylander is still a baby compared to the mature Naslund who finally made the playoffs only to “choke”. It’s not so cut and dry, homer. The days of the Naslund/Sedin zero capacity or desire to push back “leadership” are over. Nobody is happier about that than I am. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Cherry picking one metric out of that tirade of faults concerning Nylander - and all you could do was find a mediocre offensive stat to prop-up one-dimensional Naslund? Haha of course. Soft, perimeter, playoff player though? Yup. Naslund and Nylander play virtually the same style, though Nylander is still a baby compared to the mature Naslund who finally made the playoffs only to “choke”. It’s not so cut and dry, homer. The days of the Naslund/Sedin zero capacity or desire to push back “leadership” are over. Nobody is happier about that than I am. What a load of bally-who, good job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: I've never seen a player cherrypick as hard as Nylander in that Canucks-Leafs game. I knew he wasn't the greatest defensively, but I thought all the complaints were typical Toronto hyperbole. Nope. He blew the zone early every chance he got, potentially the most floating I've ever seen in an NHL game. This, coming from a presumably a Bure, Bertuzzi or Naslund fan... ? No bias at all, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Timbermen said: What a load of bally-who, good job. Lol Never change, CDC. Fanatical homers are entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 18 hours ago, Lazurus said: Same as last time 2 with an option and one is done now. Benning is a god. Pretty sure this is the final year of his previous deal. Then the extension kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: Yes, Ferland was out with concussion issues last season, and its why he signed for 3.5 million instead of 5 - 5.5 million. His condition was reviewed with team doctors before he signed here. Again, if he never plays another game and just stays on LTIR, it doesn't hurt us, the same as Dorsett didn't hurt us when he had to stay on LTIR for the duration of his contract and then retire. My personal opinion on Ferland is: #1, he wasn't fully over concussion from last season, but symptoms didn't really resurface until that fight. #2. For his family, he should probably stop playing and just stay on LTIR. As for Edler, he held a FULL NTC, not even a modified one. That full NTC was given to him by Mike Gillis, near the end of his term in Vancouver. So, based on the fact that he had a full NTC, where exactly do you see the "leverage" to trade Edler? Gee could you steer me to where Ferland was worth 5.5 million? Even on LTIR he is counted at the start of the season, they can get around this by not signing somebody until after the season starts but he counts as a roster spot at the start of the season and one of the 50 contracts. As far as the doctors it is not hard to fake being okay for a few days especially if there are millions involved. Agree that Ferland should stop playing and just collect his contract. The team had more leverage with Edler, just tell him to play 20 games for some other team or up root his family for the next season, which is why he wanted to stay in the first place. Bringing this up is tantamount to you agreeing that using Eriksson's kids as leverage is okay? That would go over well for future FA's Speaking of Gillis, Edler was the only player he had that refused to move but all of Benning's refused and Benning has had a lot more than Gillis for a lot more money, at least Gillis's were core players and paid under market value.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Baggins said: Pretty sure this is the final year of his previous deal. Then the extension kicks in. You are correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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