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[Rumour] Mathias Bromé interested in signing with Canucks

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19 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Not from the Canucks at all.  From his agent or his agent’s media propaganda puppet.  We have ZERO interest in this brum. 

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Not from the Canucks at all.  From his agent or his agent’s media propaganda puppet.  We have ZERO interest in this brum. 

For sure, sounds like a lesser version of Bearschi, Goldobin....

 

 

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On 3/12/2020 at 8:28 PM, Alflives said:

If you’re this guy do you go for us or Detroit?  There’s no place fir him in our lineup.  He might not even make the Comets.  It’s like a guy from our soccer league going to the Premiership.  He’s 25.  He’s not making any NHL club.  

As he’s 25 now maybe he’s thinking more about joining a team closer to winning. Don’t think all star talent but a guy like Carl Soderberg had similar stats and he came over at 26 or 27. You’d be crazy looking back and saying you wouldn’t sign Soderberg. Give a guy a shot at a cheap rate for his first couple years. Really if there’s contract room free stuff is never a bad thing.

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I don't mind giving him a shot, but he probably is at best a Baertschi level player who we have sitting in the minors (a move I am very much against). In the case of Baertschi he is an average NHL player and better than arguably 8-10 forwards who have played more than him this year. The issue with Baertschi is his health and he doesn't provide a grit factor (even though I find he gets physically involved for a smaller player). 

Baertschi has a lot of creativity in the offensive zone and Goldobin is a fantastic passer but neither skill set is enough to keep them on the team. I always felt with Baertschi that if he could develop a stronger wrist shot and improved his acceleration he could have been a Naslund level talent.

Neither Goldobin or Baertschi are particularly fast. The way the team is built each forward must have at least one: 1. above average speed 2. above average physicality 3. be a defensive specialist. 

Now this is where Brome gets interesting. Reading scouting reports and watching clips he is a speedster who plays a 200ft game. I don't see him being a huge offensive talent in the NHL but if he plays like say Carl Hagelin, is there room for a player like that on our roster?



 

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I would have been more excited if he was a big D prospect.  That's Canucks area of weakness. 

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On 3/12/2020 at 11:26 PM, ZH96 said:

We have many free agents to deal with especially up front. Why don't we worry about signing Markstrom, Toffoli, Virtanen first. And addressing the blueline and finding a high end partner for Q.Hughes via trade or free agency. Plus if we're gonna sign Brome why not just re-sign Leivo instead who is more proven and was only starting to scratch the surface before his injury. Leivo is also around the same age.

@Assassin It's funny to you? We have many UFAs and RFAs and important ones at that. They are priority first and we shouldn't throw money at a redundant type of forward we have many of already. Especially a vastly unproven Europe based one. Brome also doesn't address the need for more size and bite or more blueline mobility. All our UFAs/RFAs consist of Markstrom, Toffoli, Virtanen, Gaudette, MacEwen, Motte, C.Tanev, Stecher, Leivo, Domingue, Ju.Bailey, Fantenberg, Goldobin, Brisebois, Chatfield, R.Boucher, Graovac, F.Perron, Sautner, Bachman, Pope, and Kielly. Also look at the track record of NHL teams signing Europe based players between 22-28 that have no previous NHL draft rights or exposure. Especially the last few years.        Vadim Shipachyov, Damien Brunner, Jiri Sekac, Jan Kovar, Sergei Plotnikov, Philip Holm all say Hi.

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17 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

I don't mind giving him a shot, but he probably is at best a Baertschi level player who we have sitting in the minors (a move I am very much against). In the case of Baertschi he is an average NHL player and better than arguably 8-10 forwards who have played more than him this year. The issue with Baertschi is his health and he doesn't provide a grit factor (even though I find he gets physically involved for a smaller player). 

Baertschi has a lot of creativity in the offensive zone and Goldobin is a fantastic passer but neither skill set is enough to keep them on the team. I always felt with Baertschi that if he could develop a stronger wrist shot and improved his acceleration he could have been a Naslund level talent.

Neither Goldobin or Baertschi are particularly fast. The way the team is built each forward must have at least one: 1. above average speed 2. above average physicality 3. be a defensive specialist. 

Now this is where Brome gets interesting. Reading scouting reports and watching clips he is a speedster who plays a 200ft game. I don't see him being a huge offensive talent in the NHL but if he plays like say Carl Hagelin, is there room for a player like that on our roster?



 

Baertschi is better than 8-10 forwards we have played more than him this year. Who?!? How do you get to THAT number?

 

You can make a legitimate argument about Loui Eriksson but that's about it. Same with Schaller.

 

Baertschi isn't skilled enough to be a top 6 winger and isn't defensive minded enough to be a bottom six winger. With the emergence of Tanner Pearson and the acquisition of Tyler Toffoli (who I expect the Canucks will re-sign over Tanev)... I just don't see a spot for him.

 

You could make an argument that Baertschi could be in Josh Leivo's spot but he's not faster than Baertschi.

 

Sutter... maybe?!? But the 4th line guys like Roussel, Motte, Beagle, and MacEwen all play a different style of game that Baertschi just simply cannot replicate... or should. He's just not defensive minded enough to be replacing any of them.

 

The truth is, I feel like Baertschi was best served in the AHL this year. He got to stay healthy for a full year and he got to show that he can and should be in the NHL. His contract is a bit of an albatross right now but apparently CBJ was in on Baertschi at the deadline. I can see the Canucks moving Baer at the deadline when he becomes a "1 year deal" player. (Same goes with Brandon Sutter who I believe will get traded too).

 

Brome would be a good depth signing. He probably slide in as the 13th forward with the opportunity to unseed a guy during the season. The Canucks need to find ELC gems in order to supplement there roster going forward. Brome seems like a quality player with speed to kill. I wouldn't be opposed to this. And he could loosen the sting if we lose a guy like Josh Leivo if he chooses not to re-sign in Vancouver (Leivo is a UFA after this season).

 

From Brome's perspective, not sure why you pick Vancouver unless being around a lot of Swedes is of importance to you. He probably gets a guaranteed top 9 role if he ends up in Detroit. But, more power to Brome.

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On 3/12/2020 at 4:39 PM, NHL'er said:

But corona... 

I had one last night. To celebrate perhaps the last time I go to a bar for a beer........

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Not entirely stoked considering we have some great forwards but could always use a free signing, plus he looks like a decent playmaker and could be some insurance in case we lose Pearson or Toffoli in the future.

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Honestly would rather get Baertschi back in the lineup. I know there isnt room in the top 6 and he doesn't fit in the bottom 6 so hes in the AHL. But he's still an NHL caliber player and it sucks to see him relegated to utica

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call me a stat scout but he's not even a point per game...

 

anyways free prospect is a free prospect.

 

the pros of going to Vancouver is that it's a top notch city and a team on the rise.

the cons of Vancouver is that we are also loaded with prospects so he will be phased into our system like any other prospect.

 

the pros of detroit is that they can leverage saying they are a weaker team and he can be given ice time.

the cons of detroit, well its a $&!# hole of a city and a team that might need some time to rebuild before being a competitive team.

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On 3/15/2020 at 1:55 AM, Quantum said:

Baertschi is better than 8-10 forwards we have played more than him this year. Who?!? How do you get to THAT number?

 

You can make a legitimate argument about Loui Eriksson but that's about it. Same with Schaller.

 

Baertschi isn't skilled enough to be a top 6 winger and isn't defensive minded enough to be a bottom six winger. With the emergence of Tanner Pearson and the acquisition of Tyler Toffoli (who I expect the Canucks will re-sign over Tanev)... I just don't see a spot for him.

 

You could make an argument that Baertschi could be in Josh Leivo's spot but he's not faster than Baertschi.

 

Sutter... maybe?!? But the 4th line guys like Roussel, Motte, Beagle, and MacEwen all play a different style of game that Baertschi just simply cannot replicate... or should. He's just not defensive minded enough to be replacing any of them.

 

The truth is, I feel like Baertschi was best served in the AHL this year. He got to stay healthy for a full year and he got to show that he can and should be in the NHL. His contract is a bit of an albatross right now but apparently CBJ was in on Baertschi at the deadline. I can see the Canucks moving Baer at the deadline when he becomes a "1 year deal" player. (Same goes with Brandon Sutter who I believe will get traded too).

 

Brome would be a good depth signing. He probably slide in as the 13th forward with the opportunity to unseed a guy during the season. The Canucks need to find ELC gems in order to supplement there roster going forward. Brome seems like a quality player with speed to kill. I wouldn't be opposed to this. And he could loosen the sting if we lose a guy like Josh Leivo if he chooses not to re-sign in Vancouver (Leivo is a UFA after this season).

 

From Brome's perspective, not sure why you pick Vancouver unless being around a lot of Swedes is of importance to you. He probably gets a guaranteed top 9 role if he ends up in Detroit. But, more power to Brome.

The reason why Baertschi isn't playing is because he doesn't replicate the game of said grinders, but he is still a better player.

Definitely better than 
Graovac
Schaller
Eriksson
MacEwen
Beagle
Motte

Arguably better than (again I identify the fact he plays a different game) 
Roussel
Sutter 
Leivo

Could potentially generate more offence in a top six role than
Ferland 
Gaudette
Virtanen 

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28 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

The reason why Baertschi isn't playing is because he doesn't replicate the game of said grinders, but he is still a better player.

Definitely better than 
Graovac
Schaller
Eriksson
MacEwen
Beagle
Motte

Arguably better than (again I identify the fact he plays a different game) 
Roussel
Sutter 
Leivo

Could potentially generate more offence in a top six role than
Ferland 
Gaudette
Virtanen 

Only thing Baer is better at than all those players is offense. A lot of those players play in defensive roles. Some of them generate a physical presence.

 

Motte/Sutter/Beagle/Eriksson all play in defensive roles that Baer doesn't play. Ferland/Mac and Motte to some extent bring a physical presence consistently. Virtanen and Gaud are still young and rounding out their games.

 

So Baer is the better player "offensively" but offense strictly doesn't win you games or make you the better player overall. Everyone has a role to play and the reason he isn't on the team is because we have a lot of guys that already fill the role he brings and then some. Petey/Miller/Horvat/Pearson/Boeser/Leivo, Toffoli now and Guad/Virtanen to an extent supply an excellent amount of scoring.

 

Also there's a argument for Leivo being better since he supply's great secondary scoring and can be used in a checking role. On pace for over 40 points before his injury.

 

We are 8th in the league in goals for making us a top 10 offense. Reason why Baer was out was because he was no longer needed. He is by no means a checking forward and he would need to play in that sort of role. He doesn't have the excuse of Virtanen/Gaudette of needing to be sheltered cause they're young and still rounding out their games. Essentially it was top 6 or nothing and we felt, even without Toffoli that he had no place here. Greener who's coached him for years, felt that.

 

That said we do need a better bottom 6. Guys who play physical and and play D. Gaudette and Virtanen need to round out their games so we can bring in more young players and not worry about sheltering anyone like we do for them. Motte good because he plays physical and defensively and Mac could be a physical scorer maybe? Hopefully Ferland's alright, he's extremely physical and can pitch in a bit offensively. Beagle is great on D and on the draw. Roussel is useless IMO, doesn't play in any role or bring anything that stands out. Sutter has got to go, Beagle makes him expendable and we got to give Gaud some PK looks eventually. Eriksson should retire but I am not getting my hopes up.

 

Get rid of Sutter, Roussel and Eriksson then bring in another solid checker that isn't just a defensive player and start developing Gaudette as a 3rd C and round out Jake as well. Then when a Lind/Hog comes they've got some solid linemates.

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any update on Brome? 

 

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On 3/16/2020 at 3:25 PM, canucklehead44 said:

The reason why Baertschi isn't playing is because he doesn't replicate the game of said grinders, but he is still a better player.

Definitely better than 
Graovac
Schaller
Eriksson
MacEwen
Beagle
Motte

Arguably better than (again I identify the fact he plays a different game) 
Roussel
Sutter 
Leivo

Could potentially generate more offence in a top six role than
Ferland 
Gaudette
Virtanen 

The problem is, Baertschi doesn't out rank anyone in the top 6, and he's not that well suited to bottom 6, unlike the guys that you've mentioned.

 

We need to find a developing team that needs some help in their top 6, while their prospects are developing. A team that's basically where Vancouver was 3 years ago and move him there.

 

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On 3/12/2020 at 6:27 PM, 250Integra said:

Sign him so he can come to NA, quarantine himself for 2 weeks, and get ready for the rest of the season whenever that'll be.

I have a bad feeling the whole season and playoffs will be cancelled

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Don't just say you're interested.... put pen to paper on that 2-year 2-way deal for $700k AAV! Now we have a All-Swedish line in place with Petey, Hoglander and Brome!

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