Canucks can only sign two of Toffoli, Tanev or Markstrom

[Me_]

I saw a video regarding keeping the three major UFAs Toffoli, Tanev and Markstrom that made me really consider the matter.

 

Personally, after what I saw from Toffoli, he's not even a discussion. The MILLER - PETTERSON - TOFFOLI line slowed the game down so much they made the opposition look amateur.

 

You keep that guy.

 

So it comes down to Tanev or Markstrom. I believe that Markstrom is necessary while Tanev is replaceable.
 

Don't get me wrong. I love Tanev's game. He's still a top 5 league wide Defensive Defenseman. But Markstrom has come into his own and stops the puck at the right time. So many spectacular saves. He's as close to Luongo good as we can have in net.

 

I make the argument that Tanev is the most expendable UFA of the three. With Hughes on his way to becoming one of the best 1D in the league, pairing Edler or Myers with Hughes equals what Tanev does. Again; Tanev is ACE. But perhaps not as necessary as a top notch scorer and a top notch goalie.

 

I believe Tryamkin would be a good addition to the Canucks, further making Tanev expendable. However, if Benning can sign all three somehow, that would definitely be best case.

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Me_
Title slight change for clarity

[aliboy]

I agree, replace Tanev with Tryamkin.

[JM_]

Nik is great, but he's no Tanev defensively. We'd still need to bring in someone who can eat up the hard minutes Tanev does, so I don't know that we'd really have any cost saving by letting Tanev walk, maybe  $1 mil or so? 

 

From a goals against pov, it might be better to keep Tanev and bring in Nik to replace Stecher, and let Toffoli go if we cant buy out Loui. That would suck but TDL moves are often more expensive than they're worth. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[KristoffWixenschon]

It's hard to see any of those guys as dispensable. I'm glad I'm not the one making these decisions. We can always hope that the covid influenced UFA landscape is unattractive and our guys re-sign to manageable contracts for some job security and location stability. 

[theo5789]

What video is this?

 

I predict that we will re-sign all of them (as long as we get a compliance buyout and the cap at the very least stays the same and does not drop).

[HC20.0]

This is tough because all three are key guys. Without Tanev our D is that much worse, but also Toffoli gives us a legitimate top 6 for the first time since 2013. Markstrom is essential, no question. Personally, I’d keep Toffoli, but it’s a tough call. 

[Me_]

6 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

What video is this?

 

I predict that we will re-sign all of them (as long as we get a compliance buyout and the cap at the very least stays the same and does not drop).

I don't know this guy. Kind of stumbled onto this video.

 

Just made me think of non-Covid stuff

 

 

[Provost]

I have it in that order too.  Mostly it is because of Tanev’s age.  He deserves more term and money than we can afford to give him at our stage of team building.

We just have to admit (unless one time buyouts etc change everything), that we can’t fix our team in one offseason and just have to keep building.

 

If we sign Toffoli, our top forward group is basically locked in for several years.  There is a possibility of signing Toffoli relatively cheap on a 1 year deal if he wants to gamble on getting a bigger ticket after a full year on a top line and when there may be some more cap room for teams (who would all have just lost a forward to expansion).  We feed Hoglander and Podkolzin in as they are ready and veteran contracts expire to open roster spots.

 

Miller-Petterson-Toffoli

Pearson-Horvat-Boeser

Hoglander-Gaudette-McEwan/Virtan

Roussel-Beagle-Sutter

 

The defence isn’t good now, and is likely to get worse next year.  We just have to hope that some combination of Tryamkin, Juoloevi, Rafferty can work out and surprise us.

 

Edler-Stecher 

Hughes-Myers

Juolevi-Tryamkin/Benn

 

The wildcard is whether we can figure out a trade or not.  Virtanen becomes more expendable if we sign Toffoli so is a nice trade chip.  Package him up with Demko and a cap dump like Baertschi and you could probably get a 2nd pairing Defensive D back to play with Hughes or Edler.

 

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Provost

[Phil_314]

Unless he prices himself out, you don't let arguably the MVP in Markstrom walk with a developing Demko.

Toffoli's kind of a luxury at this point seeing how Jake's probably top-6 ready, but as mentioned he really helps the top line round out really nicely.

Outside of this season, Tanev has been pretty injury prone, and is already on the wrong side of 30.  I don't see him aging well given his style of play.
By the slightest of margins I would let Tanev walk (unless Jake truly breaks out if play resumes then I might swing to Toffoli).

[BCNate]

4th option is you pay a price to dump a bad contract and keep all 3.  We need to trim the roster from the bottom, not the top. We will not show marker progress as a team if we don't manage to keep these 3 guys.  I'd add a 1st or Hoglander to LE to be able to keep all 3 of these guys.  

 

Without Toffoli, we have 4 legit top 6 forwards in Horvat, EP, BB and Miller.  Pearson and Virtanen are more middle 6 guys.  

Without Tanev, we are brutal on D.  Our top 4 becomes Edler, Hughes, Meyers.  One of Fantenberg, Benn, Stecher or an unproven rookie move into your top 4.  That is a real bad thing.  

Without Markstrom Demko is your #1.  He was nowhere near capable of carrying this team when Markstrom went down.  Sure he's young, was rusty, etc, but reality is that he is nowhere near the goalie Markstrom is at this point.  He has potential, but we need a sure thing in goal over the next couple years while we build depth elsewhere in the roster.

 

I'm not sure any team would benefit more from a compliance buyout than us.....

 

 

 

But....If you have to lose one of the 3, I'd lose Toffoli.  His role is the most replaceable with what we currently have in the lineup.

Edited April 27, 2020 by BCNate

[CaptKirk888]

1 hour ago, Me_ said:

I don't know this guy. Kind of stumbled onto this video.

 

Just made me think of non-Covid stuff

 

 

Just some noob on youtube, I wouldn't even consider taking any of his opinions seriously. I think that the people that do this for a living, Benning and co. will figure it out.

[Fanuck]

I've heard this argument from various points of view several times now in the past couple months.   

 

One not insignificant factor which I feel is being greatly undervalued when people suggest Toffoli/Marky are priorities over Tanev is the role that Tanev played in Hughes' development this season.   Hughes partner for the majority of his regular shifts was Tanev and that was not by accident,  nor was Hughes Calder calibre season.   Imagine Tanev riding shotgun for Hughes next season to help elevate his game even more or better yet, imagine Tanev being paired with OJ and having a similar effect on his development?  What would that be worth to our franchise? 

 

I'm not saying Tanev is a must sign over anyone else, just that nobody ever seems to mention the importance of  having an asset in place to assist in the development of young defenceman coming up in the system and the long-term value in that - all they focus on is his age and injury history.   But there's way more value in Tanev than that imo.

[King Heffy]

Sutter is tradeable for cap relief with a little retention.  LE might look better to teams with cheap ownership struggling financially than before the virus hit.

Edited April 27, 2020 by King Heffy

[Shekky]

In a perfect world I would keep all three and move Brandon Sutter and Loui Eriksson to free up the cap space needed to keep them. As unlikely as that is to keep all three I would have to agree with the op on this one. Toffoli has fit in really well with the team and Markstrom is a solid goalie. Which Makes Tanev expendable unfortunately and if he could stay healthy would be my option to keep him.

 

Keep Toffoli, Markstrom

say goodbye to Tanev

[CR7]

If the NHL and NHLPA agree to a compliance buyout at seasons end and we can trade Sutter, Beagle or Rousel this may not be an issue at all 

[HC20.0]

20 minutes ago, CR7 said:

If the NHL and NHLPA agree to a compliance buyout at seasons end and we can trade Sutter, Beagle or Rousel this may not be an issue at all 

I’d think out of those three Sutter’s the most expendable. Gaudette’s taken over the 3C, plus Sutter only has one year left on his deal, so he’s easier to move.

[GB5]

Without a doubt you keep the goalie. There are enough good teams in he league that have bad goal tending so we need to keep this position secure.

 

Scoring is almost as hard to find as goal tending so that give a nod to to Toffoli

 

As for Tanev, he is a RHD so that bodes in is favor but he is oft injured and a defensive defense-man of which may be the most replacable.

[Chris12345]

Great discussion,  lots of variables. 

 

Gotta be careful with goalies I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of a Marky contract and his age doesn't help him.

 

I think there's a lot of clutter that I would want to deal with before the big 3.

 

Baer

Sutter

Loui

Troy

Leivo

 

[luckylager]

It's all up in the air at the moment. I think it's a little premature to say what can and can't be done considering we don't know how many compliance buyouts will be given to teams, which players will be moved, what the cap will be and which players will be traded.

 

Too many moving parts to have a clear picture of what the offseason / signing season will look like.

[Pears]

I think we’ll see Sutter (some cap retained) and Roussel traded to free up an extra $5M or so. The best case scenario for us imo is just re-signing our free agents and standing pat over what ever kind of offseason we have. Maybe add a depth piece or two if we can afford it. A cbo would be a game changer for us though.