MP Chandra Arya wants to tax Canadians abroad!

[CBH1926]

46 minutes ago, BPA said:

Thx.

 

Good to know.  I'll pass the info to my cousin.

My old man gets a pension from the old country and we left 25 years ago.

He gives his pension to my uncle who still lives there but nonetheless.
 

Also I know that my social security will follow me regardless of where I live.
I know it’s all different countries but I am pretty sure your aunt should get it.

[Fan since 82]

8 hours ago, 24K PureCool said:

Well technically you can vote in the federal election. Heck I did it while as a student in the US.

I think (not 100% sure) you still have to maintain residency to vote. I'll have to check it out though.

[MystifyNCrucify]

Clearly bigger issues to deal with. 

 

How come blue collar joe has to ask for and earn a raise, when a politician and his fellows can vote on their own raise, despite the country going further and further in debt?

 

How come unemployed able bodied bill can smoke drugs, drink booze, smoke cigs with malnourished kids on a welfare check, but guy working a month straight seven days a week in the oil sands, smokes a joint on his week off, fails a drug test, and gets fired?

 

How come someone can pay into EI for fifteen years without claiming anything while not in trade school, can get fired a week after his wife having their firstborn because of “calling in sick to help take care of the baby because wife had a hard pregnancy and theres no one else” and get denied, but people can spend six months of the year claiming employment insurance?

 

Get real. Instead of trying to get more money, use the damned money right instead of pissing it away on personal helicopter rides and vacations you corrupt politicians. 

 

They are up there with lawyers and drug dealers for scum of the earth. 

 

If i had to pay to “keep” my citizenship, id rather stay in ireland even if i do end up wanting to come back. Ill pay the health insurance. Unless i like the winters in canada?  

Edited May 13, 2020 by MystifyNCrucify

[Ralph.]

7 hours ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

Clearly bigger issues to deal with. 

 

How come blue collar joe has to ask for and earn a raise, when a politician and his fellows can vote on their own raise, despite the country going further and further in debt?

 

Elected positions should have salary caps. Find a reasonable formula; something like the mean wage of their constituents from the most recent tax year + 15%. Only way to get a raise is to actively push for economic success of your people.

 

Just to spitball. I agree with you though — It's supposed to be public service, not public pillage. If it's such an "honor" to represent your people, the position and compensation shouldn't be molded to attract those that will abuse it.

[apollo]

On 5/10/2020 at 12:28 PM, beni said:

They have to cover the costs for all of the BS Liberal spending somehow . 

What bs liberal spending? 

 

You mean giving money to our most vulnerable people during a once in a life time pandemic? Smh. 

 

I've never voted liberals myself but anyone hating on them or Trudeau during this pandemic is a lunatic. We've taken care of our vulnerable better than any other country. 

[The Colt 45s]

I live in the USA and have no intentions of coming home to BC.  I naturalized for my family's sake, and so I could work for the US government. There is no legal way for Canada to come after me and demand income taxes from me here in the US. I refuse to pay for Justin to play.  

[JM_]

2 hours ago, The Colt 45s said:

I live in the USA and have no intentions of coming home to BC.  I naturalized for my family's sake, and so I could work for the US government. There is no legal way for Canada to come after me and demand income taxes from me here in the US. I refuse to pay for Justin to play.  

well thats true at the moment, you're not safe on that. Canada and the US have an agreement that allows the US to take money from bank accounts held by dual US-Canadian citizens for tax payments. If Canada decided it wanted that too there's nothing stopping it, or for you to prevent it. 

 

Also, your situation is exactly the type where we should be charging you if you or your family ever want to access the Canadian healthcare system.

 

I'm all for choices and hope yours works out for you, but I don't want to pay for your Plan B if it doesn't work out. 

[The Colt 45s]

16 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

well thats true at the moment, you're not safe on that. Canada and the US have an agreement that allows the US to take money from bank accounts held by dual US-Canadian citizens for tax payments. If Canada decided it wanted that too there's nothing stopping it, or for you to prevent it. 

 

Also, your situation is exactly the type where we should be charging you if you or your family ever want to access the Canadian healthcare system.

 

I'm all for choices and hope yours works out for you, but I don't want to pay for your Plan B if it doesn't work out. 

And as for income taxes paid by Americans overseas: it only happens on gross personal income in excess of $96,000.  Actually foreign earned money is tax free until it hits that $96,000 threshold.  It is a great way to earn a lot of money.  So if you are an American living in Canada and you do not pay your US income taxes, the IRS will sanction your account at some point.  Because in America, failure to file your US income tax is illegal and you could end up with a felony tax evasion charge.  It is a criminal issue, so that is why there is reciprocity between Canada and the US.

But citizenship in the US is different.  For an American, there is no such concept as a dual citizen--in Canada there is.  But I renounced my Canadian citizenship when I naturalized to the US, just as all those who naturalize do during their oath.  I no longer carry a Canadian passport.  Now for those who have temporary and/or permanent residence status, they are entirely in a separate legal class and are not protected.  But there would be an extreme legal fight from those of us who are US citizens because taxation without representation is a legal concept. If I got arrested here in the US, which will never happen, I cannot call the Canadian embassy for help because I am now an American.

As for fighting this silly proposal, my college roommate is the the senior aide to the Senior Senator of the State of Texas, and the number two ranking senator in the US Senate--John Cornyn.  During grad school, we were very politically active at Central Michigan University.  

So as to the medical situation: When and if I visit my Canadian family, which will probably never happen, and dare I needed to gain access to the Canadian healthcare system, I would prefer to drive across the US border and go to an American hospital. Our hospitals are like palaces whereas Canadian hospitals are like a shanty towns from the 1950s.    

And like every other American who has great medical insurance, because I work for the US Department of Defense, I have been told that Canadian hospitals will directly bill my US health insurance.  And if I had to pay cash upfront, usually about $3,500, I will be fully reimbursed. 

But here is my point: Why would any naturalized US citizen who was born in Canada want to get medical treatment in Canada?  I don't see an exodus of naturalized American Canadian expats running up to Canada to seek treatment.  But we do hear about an exodus of Canadians running down here.  Why would any American want to wait a year to see a specialist and another 18 months waiting for a procedure like they do in many places in Canada? 

I live in Houston, TX, which has the best medical system in the world with nearly 250,000 employees and many huge teaching hospitals and ambulatory surgical centers in the Medical Center as well as many others across the Houston Metro Area.  With internationally ranked hospitals like The Methodist Hospital where presidents and foreign leaders like the Saudi Royal family are treated, or St. Luke's where they pioneered heart transplants.  Heck, we even have a Shriner's Hospital and a St. Jude's connected hospital, as well as The University of Texas Medical Branch and its level four containment facility.  Why would we leave all that to go up to Canada to get care?  This MP is making a major assumption that Canadian born naturalized Americans are seeking medical care back home in Canada.  

I think MP Chandra Arya's opinion is completely ignorant. 

And as for other social net stuff: There are treaties regarding social insurance/security.  Canadian born naturalized Americans don't pay double taxes--social security and social insurance.  Rather, the years spent working back home in Canada is credited towards their final Social Security and it is reciprocal for Canadians who worked in the US and moved back home to Canada.
 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by The Colt 45s

[JM_]

8 hours ago, The Colt 45s said:

And as for income taxes paid by Americans overseas: it only happens on gross personal income in excess of $96,000.  Actually foreign earned money is tax free until it hits that $96,000 threshold.  It is a great way to earn a lot of money.  So if you are an American living in Canada and you do not pay your US income taxes, the IRS will sanction your account at some point.  Because in America, failure to file your US income tax is illegal and you could end up with a felony tax evasion charge.  It is a criminal issue, so that is why there is reciprocity between Canada and the US.

But citizenship in the US is different.  For an American, there is no such concept as a dual citizen--in Canada there is.  But I renounced my Canadian citizenship when I naturalized to the US, just as all those who naturalize do during their oath.  I no longer carry a Canadian passport.  Now for those who have temporary and/or permanent residence status, they are entirely in a separate legal class and are not protected.  But there would be an extreme legal fight from those of us who are US citizens because taxation without representation is a legal concept. If I got arrested here in the US, which will never happen, I cannot call the Canadian embassy for help because I am now an American.

As for fighting this silly proposal, my college roommate is the the senior aide to the Senior Senator of the State of Texas, and the number two ranking senator in the US Senate--John Cornyn.  During grad school, we were very politically active at Central Michigan University.  

So as to the medical situation: When and if I visit my Canadian family, which will probably never happen, and dare I needed to gain access to the Canadian healthcare system, I would prefer to drive across the US border and go to an American hospital. Our hospitals are like palaces whereas Canadian hospitals are like a shanty towns from the 1950s.    

And like every other American who has great medical insurance, because I work for the US Department of Defense, I have been told that Canadian hospitals will directly bill my US health insurance.  And if I had to pay cash upfront, usually about $3,500, I will be fully reimbursed. 

But here is my point: Why would any naturalized US citizen who was born in Canada want to get medical treatment in Canada?  I don't see an exodus of naturalized American Canadian expats running up to Canada to seek treatment.  But we do hear about an exodus of Canadians running down here.  Why would any American want to wait a year to see a specialist and another 18 months waiting for a procedure like they do in many places in Canada? 

I live in Houston, TX, which has the best medical system in the world with nearly 250,000 employees and many huge teaching hospitals and ambulatory surgical centers in the Medical Center as well as many others across the Houston Metro Area.  With internationally ranked hospitals like The Methodist Hospital where presidents and foreign leaders like the Saudi Royal family are treated, or St. Luke's where they pioneered heart transplants.  Heck, we even have a Shriner's Hospital and a St. Jude's connected hospital, as well as The University of Texas Medical Branch and its level four containment facility.  Why would we leave all that to go up to Canada to get care?  This MP is making a major assumption that Canadian born naturalized Americans are seeking medical care back home in Canada.  

I think MP Chandra Arya's opinion is completely ignorant. 

And as for other social net stuff: There are treaties regarding social insurance/security.  Canadian born naturalized Americans don't pay double taxes--social security and social insurance.  Rather, the years spent working back home in Canada is credited towards their final Social Security and it is reciprocal for Canadians who worked in the US and moved back home to Canada.
 

 

since you renounced your citizenship you couldn't come back and access it anyway. But why would you come back? when your health care us tied to your job and you lose it, or you compare how you'll be treated after 65  once the republicans get done with medicate. Houston is great, if you can afford it. 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[Ryan Strome]

On 5/14/2020 at 5:48 AM, The Colt 45s said:

I live in the USA and have no intentions of coming home to BC.  I naturalized for my family's sake, and so I could work for the US government. There is no legal way for Canada to come after me and demand income taxes from me here in the US. I refuse to pay for Justin to play.  

 

On 5/15/2020 at 1:09 AM, The Colt 45s said:

And as for income taxes paid by Americans overseas: it only happens on gross personal income in excess of $96,000.  Actually foreign earned money is tax free until it hits that $96,000 threshold.  It is a great way to earn a lot of money.  So if you are an American living in Canada and you do not pay your US income taxes, the IRS will sanction your account at some point.  Because in America, failure to file your US income tax is illegal and you could end up with a felony tax evasion charge.  It is a criminal issue, so that is why there is reciprocity between Canada and the US.

But citizenship in the US is different.  For an American, there is no such concept as a dual citizen--in Canada there is.  But I renounced my Canadian citizenship when I naturalized to the US, just as all those who naturalize do during their oath.  I no longer carry a Canadian passport.  Now for those who have temporary and/or permanent residence status, they are entirely in a separate legal class and are not protected.  But there would be an extreme legal fight from those of us who are US citizens because taxation without representation is a legal concept. If I got arrested here in the US, which will never happen, I cannot call the Canadian embassy for help because I am now an American.

As for fighting this silly proposal, my college roommate is the the senior aide to the Senior Senator of the State of Texas, and the number two ranking senator in the US Senate--John Cornyn.  During grad school, we were very politically active at Central Michigan University.  

So as to the medical situation: When and if I visit my Canadian family, which will probably never happen, and dare I needed to gain access to the Canadian healthcare system, I would prefer to drive across the US border and go to an American hospital. Our hospitals are like palaces whereas Canadian hospitals are like a shanty towns from the 1950s.    

And like every other American who has great medical insurance, because I work for the US Department of Defense, I have been told that Canadian hospitals will directly bill my US health insurance.  And if I had to pay cash upfront, usually about $3,500, I will be fully reimbursed. 

But here is my point: Why would any naturalized US citizen who was born in Canada want to get medical treatment in Canada?  I don't see an exodus of naturalized American Canadian expats running up to Canada to seek treatment.  But we do hear about an exodus of Canadians running down here.  Why would any American want to wait a year to see a specialist and another 18 months waiting for a procedure like they do in many places in Canada? 

I live in Houston, TX, which has the best medical system in the world with nearly 250,000 employees and many huge teaching hospitals and ambulatory surgical centers in the Medical Center as well as many others across the Houston Metro Area.  With internationally ranked hospitals like The Methodist Hospital where presidents and foreign leaders like the Saudi Royal family are treated, or St. Luke's where they pioneered heart transplants.  Heck, we even have a Shriner's Hospital and a St. Jude's connected hospital, as well as The University of Texas Medical Branch and its level four containment facility.  Why would we leave all that to go up to Canada to get care?  This MP is making a major assumption that Canadian born naturalized Americans are seeking medical care back home in Canada.  

I think MP Chandra Arya's opinion is completely ignorant. 

And as for other social net stuff: There are treaties regarding social insurance/security.  Canadian born naturalized Americans don't pay double taxes--social security and social insurance.  Rather, the years spent working back home in Canada is credited towards their final Social Security and it is reciprocal for Canadians who worked in the US and moved back home to Canada.
 

 

Well this wouldn't even apply to you.

Forgive @Jimmy McGill he can't help himself the thought of taxes really excite him. 

[JM_]

49 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

Well this wouldn't even apply to you.

Forgive @Jimmy McGill he can't help himself the thought of taxes really excite him. 

just 3 little words to Alberta independence my friend: P-S-T