All four Canadian political parties have applied for the Trudeau government's wage subsidy

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

why? working for a party is a legitimate job. All of them have had to scale down activities and these folks need as much help as any other worker. If people want to get pissed off and cut these people off thats just pure spite. 

 

Not saying anything other than the way it is phrased is bad and looks bad.

 

As I said, it is for the staffers which are not public employees but technically private employees under the employ of a public servant.  As such yes, they are entitled to the same help.

 

But optically this looks terrible with the way it was worded

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

1) Violated ethics:

 

Not a criminal offense.  At most a fine.  Boo hoo

 

2) committed political interference during an election:

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  This is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

3) has committed treason to Canada:

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  Treason is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

4)  interfered in a criminal case

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  This is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

5) accused of Sexually harassing a student many years ago.

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  This is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

6) Also bypassing due political process to try and ban guns.

 

Nothing illegal with the gun ban.  Other aspects of the plan will require legislation.   If your charge is true, then those parts of the plan would have been put in place now.

 

7)paying 600 million to media for censorship,

 

Is this a backhanded swipe at the CBC.  Nothing illegal here

 

8)etc.

 

You got more?   That's debatable.  You barely got anything here thats supported with actual evidence, let alone charges that would warrant jail time.

Trump is bad though eh?

[Ryan Strome]

57 minutes ago, Grapefruits said:

LOL! I remember people referring to the Chretien government long before Harper. It's time to move on.  Fun fact, under Harper Canada had the richest middle class.

 

Anyways, they're all scumbags.

Whoa facts don't work with some people. 

46 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

I agree with that last point. Harper is also the only PM when asked about a recession under their govt has to ask 'which one?'   

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

20 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Trump is bad though eh?

Have I said JT is a Saint?  I think not.  Just because I defend him against baseless attacks doesn't mean I'm 100% team JT.  Just I find team Conservative revolting.  

 

Whatever "crimes" you "think" JT has done, TRUMP has done more.  Way more.  TRUMP's lies and misleading statements should break 20,000 before the year is out.  I'd be surprised if JT has exceeded 10%.  If he has, surely you could post a source.  

 

So yes, TRUMP is scum.   

[Crabcakes]

3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I think this money should be clawed back from their expense budgets.

 

That being said.

 

Campaign offices and ministerial/senate staff members DO in fact have jobs that are not in fact government or public positions as they are in fact paid as private employees.  For MPs to look for wage relief for them is visually galling but not actually illegal or underhanded at all.

 

Again though, that being said.  

 

It pisses me off that at no point in time in all of this have MPs lost a dime of their ridiculous salaries.  It is high time a party get serious about clawing back the amount these people make in salary and expenses.

The base salary of an MP in Canada is $182,600.  You realize that most MP's take a salary cut to become an MP.  One reason why politics doesn't attract the best and the brightest.

[Russ]

50 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Not saying anything other than the way it is phrased is bad and looks bad.

 

As I said, it is for the staffers which are not public employees but technically private employees under the employ of a public servant.  As such yes, they are entitled to the same help.

 

But optically this looks terrible with the way it was worded

This is the biggest part of this.  Yea I understand why all the parties did it because they need their workers to survive but I still don't like the optics of it, especially when its essentially my tax dollars funding political parties which I don't want to do at all.

 

But it is what it is.

[Standing_Tall#37]

3 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

1) Violated ethics:

 

Not a criminal offense.  At most a fine.  Boo hoo

 

2) committed political interference during an election:

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  This is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

3) has committed treason to Canada:

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  Treason is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

4)  interfered in a criminal case

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  This is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

5) accused of Sexually harassing a student many years ago.

 

Umm  provide specifics here.  This is a serious charge so you must have evidence.

 

6) Also bypassing due political process to try and ban guns.

 

Nothing illegal with the gun ban.  Other aspects of the plan will require legislation.   If your charge is true, then those parts of the plan would have been put in place now.

 

7)paying 600 million to media for censorship,

 

Is this a backhanded swipe at the CBC.  Nothing illegal here

 

8)etc.

 

You got more?   That's debatable.  You barely got anything here thats supported with actual evidence, let alone charges that would warrant jail time.

Geez, get Trudeau’s member out of your mouth, you’d think you were one of his students    

 

1) you’re right it’s technically not a crime.

www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/world/canada/trudeau-ethics.amp.html

 

 

 

 

2) Remember when Greta came and was pushing a liberal agenda during the election, the money was funnelled through an initiative by George Soros who paid her party to come. If you’re too Dumb to understand how laundering through charities work, i suggest you just keep living your best life not questioning anything. torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-gift-of-your-money-to-mastercard/amp

 

3)

Omar Kadhr payout without a court decision. Makes a strong point that it’s okay to pickup arms and fight against  Canadian/ally soldiers on foreign soil. Other countries would revoke someone’s citizenship for doing that. 

torontosun.com/2017/07/08/trudeau-should-be-charged-with-treason-morris/wcm/d167b350-ca58-4211-aa14-2ca5d65f9c1c/amp

+ 

crippling canada’s oil and gas while fully supporting Saudi oil.

 

 

4)

   SNC Lavalin and Wilson-Raybould 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair

 

 Most officials agreed that the RCMP should have pushed to charge him criminally for obstruction of justice.

5) 

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10/07/trudeau-is-rumored-to-be-in-talks-with-an-accusor-to-suppress-an-explosive-sex-scandal-that-may-force-him-from-office/

+

 

 cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/06/americas/justin-trudeau-groping-allegations/index.html

 

 

6) 

 globalnews.ca/news/6922832/democracy-sidestepped-assault-style-firearms-ban-conservatives/amp/

 

 

 

 

 

 

7) you think news outlets are going to be critical of someone who kept them employed just prior to an election? 

 nationalpost.com/news/politics/600m-in-federal-funding-for-media-a-turning-point-in-the-plight-of-newspapers-in-canada/amp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Standing_Tall#37]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Trump is bad though eh?

Lol that’s the generic liberal offends us to start mentioning him. I don’t really gaF about him or Scheer, Harper  or any of them really. 

 

I just cant see how people can blindly and passionately defend the Idiot we have in run(ruin)ning our country. He’s an international embarrassment and Hellbent on turning Canada into a 3rd world country. 

 

 But I guess non of these communists know an honest day’s work. All the white collars out there, who lap up every socialist  benefit JT hands them.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Standing_Tall#37

[Standing_Tall#37]

2 hours ago, Grapefruits said:

LOL! I remember people referring to the Chretien government long before Harper. It's time to move on.  Fun fact, under Harper Canada had the richest middle class.

 

Anyways, they're all scumbags.

I liked Chrétien, I thought he was a proud Canadian and stuck up for canada’s Sovereignty. The last not bad Canadian Leader. 

[Sharpshooter]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Trump is bad though eh?

Yes. Yes he is. Full stop. Period. Exclamation mark. 

[JM_]

11 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Not saying anything other than the way it is phrased is bad and looks bad.

 

As I said, it is for the staffers which are not public employees but technically private employees under the employ of a public servant.  As such yes, they are entitled to the same help.

 

But optically this looks terrible with the way it was worded

maybe we need to stop being led around by the media's interpretation of "optics"? 

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

maybe we need to stop being led around by the media's interpretation of "optics"? 

But what will people fuel their faux rage with?

[JM_]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

But what will people fuel their faux rage with?

no kidding. i'm so tired of stories that are supposed to drive me to rage and pick a side before I've even finished the headline. Throw in some murky definition of "optics" and we have perfect storm of BS to be upset over. 

[aGENT]

11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

no kidding. i'm so tired of stories that are supposed to drive me to rage and pick a side before I've even finished the headline. Throw in some murky definition of "optics" and we have perfect storm of BS to be upset over. 

Yeah, I'm getting pretty tired of the my faux rage is bigger than your faux rage 'discussions'. Add in some colourful side jabs about 'riding someone's D' (or similar) and you've got modern 'debate'.

 

Then I start to feel like professor Farnsworth.

[Warhippy]

12 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

 

 

 But I guess non of these communists know an honest day’s work. All the white collars out there, who lap up every socialist  benefit JT hands them.

Uh huh

 

So is it communist or socialist 

 

You kinda need to pick a side

 

And posting 4 opinion columns, an opinion piece from CNN and a wikipedia write up are not in fact supportive of your statements.

 

You look childish with your baseless oft disproven rants.  Attempting to re-write history based on the whining of those on the right who refused to accept the truth for what it was only makes you look immature.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Warhippy

[Gnarcore]

14 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Whoa facts don't work with some people. 

 

Funny that YOU say that....     

[JM_]

33 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Uh huh

 

So is it communist or socialist 

 

You kinda need to pick a side

 

And posting 4 opinion columns, an opinion piece from CNN and a wikipedia write up are not in fact supportive of your statements.

 

You look childish with your baseless oft disproven rants.  Attempting to re-write history based on the whining of those on the right who refused to accept the truth for what it was only makes you look immature.

damn all those white collars with their jobs paying taxes, who the heck do they think they are anyway? 

[Warhippy]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

damn all those white collars with their jobs paying taxes, who the heck do they think they are anyway? 

Just infuriating that we're years on from some of those issues, that the facts are out.  That we know why people got paid, we know some were fabricated, we know where the monies went but people like this guy are STILL ignorantly using Lilley/Levant talking points against the facts to push their ignorance on others.

 

All without knowing the difference between communism and socialism but certain of the fact a guy named Lilley's opinion is more essential to their beliefs than the facts

[thedestroyerofworlds]

13 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

Geez, get Trudeau’s member out of your mouth, you’d think you were one of his students    

 

1) you’re right it’s technically not a crime.

www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/world/canada/trudeau-ethics.amp.html

 

 

 

 

2) Remember when Greta came and was pushing a liberal agenda during the election, the money was funnelled through an initiative by George Soros who paid her party to come. If you’re too Dumb to understand how laundering through charities work, i suggest you just keep living your best life not questioning anything. torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-gift-of-your-money-to-mastercard/amp

 

3)

Omar Kadhr payout without a court decision. Makes a strong point that it’s okay to pickup arms and fight against  Canadian/ally soldiers on foreign soil. Other countries would revoke someone’s citizenship for doing that. 

torontosun.com/2017/07/08/trudeau-should-be-charged-with-treason-morris/wcm/d167b350-ca58-4211-aa14-2ca5d65f9c1c/amp

+ 

crippling canada’s oil and gas while fully supporting Saudi oil.

 

 

4)

   SNC Lavalin and Wilson-Raybould 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair

 

 Most officials agreed that the RCMP should have pushed to charge him criminally for obstruction of justice.

5) 

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10/07/trudeau-is-rumored-to-be-in-talks-with-an-accusor-to-suppress-an-explosive-sex-scandal-that-may-force-him-from-office/

+

 

 cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/06/americas/justin-trudeau-groping-allegations/index.html

 

 

6) 

 globalnews.ca/news/6922832/democracy-sidestepped-assault-style-firearms-ban-conservatives/amp/

 

 

 

 

 

 

7) you think news outlets are going to be critical of someone who kept them employed just prior to an election? 

 nationalpost.com/news/politics/600m-in-federal-funding-for-media-a-turning-point-in-the-plight-of-newspapers-in-canada/amp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You took the bait.  I knew your post would be full of trash.  

 

"Geez, get Trudeau’s member out of your mouth, you’d think you were one of his students    "

 

There are plenty of posters who would read this and rightfully ignore the rest of your post as utter trash.  I'll try and hold back the vomit and go through your trash.  Not a good start there.

 

1) You agree that ethics violations are not criminal.   This was debated in the liberal government thread multiple times.   Nice to see you were correct about something in you post.  The rest, not so much.

 

2)  Tinfoil hat conspiracy with no evidence is not a crime.

 

Corporate welfare not a crime.  I can easily go through the incidents of Conservative governments giving corporations handouts.   Nothing new and if you actually want to know,  me and other posters have been negative about other instances of corporate welfare.   An opinion piece   lol

 

Nothing criminal here.

 

3)  Saudi deals and Omar Kadhr are not treason.   Like not even close.  You are so off here that words cannot describe how far off you are.  There have been multiple instances in multiple threads where your position has been utterly torn apart.   I'll try an be brief.

 

This was a civil case.  Omar was suing the government for damages related to violations of his rights as a Canadian citizen.   Violations that the Supreme Court had ruled occurred.  Civil cases are settled all the time.  TRUMP even settled in his fraud university case.  We taxpayers were paying in the case regardless of the outcome.   Either through court and lawyers fees or through an even larger award to Omar.  You realize that he was suing for much much more than he ultimately got.  In a case that he was strongly favored to win.  I'd love to see a legitimate lawyer's analysis that says otherwise. 

 

So not treason.   Not even close. 

 

4)  You can go to the liberal government thread and find tons of debate over this.  Peoples opinions that investigation should have occurred.   Yet, you just post the Wiki and no details about exactly where criminal violation of laws occurred.  Hardly proof that JT is a criminal. Thank you, try again.

 

5)  An absolute rag of an outlet promoting an uncorroborated story. 

 

Also,  the CNN article doesn't in any way demonstrate that JT is guilty of anything criminal.   Sexual assault or harassment.   

 

So a failure here demonstrating JT is a criminal.  

 

6)  Didn't sidestep democracy.   Areas that require legislation like buybacks and grandfathering were not part of this ban.  You have no constitutional right to guns.  So peoples rights haven't been violated.  There's a whole thread about this.  Debate there.  

 

Failure.   Nothing criminal here.

 

7)  So providing funding to media would stop criticism of the government.   Except those very outlets covered the SNC-LAVALIN affair in depth.   Plenty of those very outlets were critical. Your very post has multiple Canadian outlets. 

 

Failure here.  Also not criminal.   Oops. 

 

 

So your previous claim that JT is criminal and your list of his "crimes" has been an utter failure.  Nuclear face palm worthy failure. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by thedestroyerofworlds

[JM_]

52 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Just infuriating that we're years on from some of those issues, that the facts are out.  That we know why people got paid, we know some were fabricated, we know where the monies went but people like this guy are STILL ignorantly using Lilley/Levant talking points against the facts to push their ignorance on others.

 

All without knowing the difference between communism and socialism but certain of the fact a guy named Lilley's opinion is more essential to their beliefs than the facts

some people don't feel secure unless they are entrenched on a "side". I think thats why you see so many conservative rural folks saying ridiculous things about opinions they think people in the city have about the country e.g. If anything city folk almost never think about rural issues.

 

I think its also easier to yank the chains of social conservatives because they tend to be more about simple principles (or thats what they tell themselves) which is why Khadr comes up so often. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Jimmy McGill