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All four Canadian political parties have applied for the Trudeau government's wage subsidy

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2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I think this is complete BS just like the federal parties doing it.

I thought it was funny u actually said that haha.

 

I'm just here for the laughs.

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1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

I'm just here for the laughs.

It's about all we can do these days.

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5 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I thought polls were B.S. and not to be trusted.  I guess only when you are making a point.  And just to be fair, the healthy baby part really isn't at play here.  

Why not?  Pro choice fights for women's rights do as she pleases.  The health of the baby, the viability, and the stage of the pregnancy all get trumped by the women's choice as it's HER body.  So the numbers about when typical abortions happen is a moot point and adds nothing to the discussion.  I'm even sure why you posted that. it has nothing to do with the contradiction in logic that at 26 weeks it's "her body, her rules", but at 29 weeks it's all of the sudden "now it's ok to tell a women what to do with her body".    

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Ryan Strome said:

It's about all we can do these days.

We're becoming more American by the day and it hurts.

 

Buddy of mine got his tires slashed in Golden yesterday coming in from Alberta.  It's one of like a dozen events involving red plates only.  Stinks of the same kind of nonsense that was happening to BC plates in Alberta at the height of the pipeline debate.  BC media is framing it as a British Columbians don't want visitors statement.

 

Kind of over life in the west these days.  Not Western Canada but this hyper tribal crap that is everywhere.

 

Back to that link, it's frigging stupid to see political parties applying for wage help, I get that it's not illegal but it's stupid.  It's terrible optically and with the amount they. make and their expense accounts there should be no reason technically private employees should be forced to take wage assistance through their employers who are public employees

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1 minute ago, flat land fish said:

Can we just flush all of our politications and start fresh

That's what needs to happen.  A bit to happy with all our cash these days for my liking.

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Sorry, where did I say anything about the UCP or GOP?

 

The fact is, your argument is stupid because like the right you're creating BS because you can't accept that you look stupid and cannot accept the facts over the rhetoric.

 

But, that's your schtick and we get it.

 

Conservatives.  Too stupid to know that communism and socialism are different but smart enough to ignore debating that fact

If you identify as any type of political party loyalist, you’re stupid :lol:   There’s probably people who still believe voting makes a difference beyond the municipal level :lol: 

 

and Boomer.... you don’t have to be so sensitive... I’ve never once complained about my taxes subsidizing your lifestyle.

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So you took, a comparative in literal comparison only and ran with it like that was the point I was trying to make regarding people on the right in canada seeming to be blatant and glaring hypocrites?

 "i didn't actually mean what I said".. That's backpedaling 101. 

 

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 if you don't see the galling hypocrisy in that I can't help you.

It's not hypocrisy because you're not comparing apples to apples.  Fetus value vs piece of cloth.

 

and Most pro-lifers, which I don't really put myself into the category of, (i'm in the 8-10 week camp and yes I know my logic is flawed on that) but their argument isn't about telling what a women can or can't do with their bodies, it's about protecting the life of the innocent.  That's their focus. 

 

Just in the same sense of protecting other humans, animals, and even personal material items, they are fighting for the protection of the fetus. Murder, animal cruelty and vandalism also involve the connection of telling a person what they can't do with THEIR body, but that's not really the goal of making those things illegal.   

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

If you identify as any type of political party loyalist, you’re stupid :lol:   There’s probably people who still believe voting makes a difference beyond the municipal level :lol: 

 

and Boomer.... you don’t have to be so sensitive... I’ve never once complained about my taxes subsidizing your lifestyle.

Uh huh.

 

No boomer here muffin

 

You've more than stated your stance in the political theatre without hesitation.

 

My taxes shouldn't subsidize the helmet you wear in public but...

 

You also think the things you posted are accurate.  The same statements you've made numerous times.  You've never spoken out against one side but claim you're not a party loyalist.  Which suggests you're just a special kind of human who is on the right, supports the right, degrades everything and everyone left of centre but claims that "they're impartial"

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1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Why not?  Pro choice fights for women's rights do as she pleases.  The health of the baby, the viability, and the stage of the pregnancy all get trumped by the women's choice as it's HER body.  So the numbers about when typical abortions happen is a moot point and adds nothing to the discussion.  I'm even sure why you posted that. it has nothing to do with the contradiction in logic that at 26 weeks it's "her body, her rules", but at 29 weeks it's all of the sudden "now it's ok to tell a women what to do with her body".    

 

 

 

 

 

 

Life isn't black or white.  It isn't all or nothing.  There is a lot of grey and this thing called compromise.  Her body, her rules runs into the issue that after viability, the baby can survive.  Where you are actually killing what could be a "healthy baby".  That's why people have an adverse reaction to late-term abortions.  It's week  after week 20, not 26.  

 

Banning abortions is not an option as is unlimited abortions.  The compromise lies somewhere in between.  The compromise actually is demonstrated by the numbers.  9 in 10 occur before week 13.  Typically when most women realize that they are pregnant and come to a decision whether or not they want the pregnancy.  By week 20, almost 99% have decided.  After viability is when the overwhelming majority would have issues with abortions taking place.  And very few abortions occur past viability.  Those that do, there are significant percentage that occur because of legitimate medical reasons.  That is why week 20 tends to be the cut-off.  And why arguing about "killing babies" is hyperbolic nonsense.  

 

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11 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 "i didn't actually mean what I said".. That's backpedaling 101. 

 

It's not hypocrisy because you're not comparing apples to apples.  Fetus value vs piece of cloth.

 

and Most pro-lifers, which I don't really put myself into the category of, (i'm in the 8-10 week camp and yes I know my logic is flawed on that) but their argument isn't about telling what a women can or can't do with their bodies, it's about protecting the life of the innocent.  That's their focus. 

 

Just in the same sense of protecting other humans, animals, and even personal material items, they are fighting for the protection of the fetus. Murder, animal cruelty and vandalism also involve the connection of telling a person what they can't do with THEIR body, but that's not really the goal of making those things illegal.   

 

 

almost 8 billion people on the planet, I value each and every one of you the same way I would a piece of fabric.  The difference is, if you saw someone try to rip a piece of clothing off of a woman you'd be offended.  But if you saw someone telling her what she can or cannot due with her body you're ok with it.  I'll never decide that it's my right or any mans right to dictate what a woman can or can't do with her body any more than it is my right to decide what a woman should wear.  Where as your camp seems to want to do both. 


You claim it is in defence of a fetus, yet not once does your camp ever make laws or rules dictating that adoption should be mandatory, or that young unwed single mothers should be ensured that they'd have a living wage, their child would never go hungry or that they'd be suffering at the hands of abusive partners.  Instead your arguments and self righteous indignation ends the moment that fetus becomes a living being.

 

There's no backpedaling here.  My views are very clear and well known as is the glaring and utterly sick hypocrisy of your camp.

 

It's shameful really.  Like honestly, your camp will whine and moan about everything, but the moment it's your turn at the helm you turn a blind eye to it.  The litany of past transgressions proving that is far too long to list but I'll try two fun examples

 

Best case in point is your provinces finances or other provinces deciding to say no to projects.  If it impinges on what you perceive is your right to whatever it is the flavour of the day is.  You're offended.  But if anyone applies the same yardstick to Alberta's resources you get up in arms.  You whine about how much the NDP spent or was spending and on what, but manage to turn a blind eye to endless cuts, corporate welfare and spending by your current party.

 

it's fine man.  That's literally who you are and where your camp sits.  8 billion people on this planet and your portion hostile thinks like that.  I could care less as to me you're all expendable.  Hell.

 

I'm cheering for the virus at this point

 

Edit*. Also, I never said anything about now meaning what I said. I  said it.  I meant it.  Your side of the camp makes true conservatives sick.  Your side of the camp is the reason that centrists and centre right individuals are trying to distance themselves from your pathetically archaic views.  I mean what is aid, I'll say it again, I'll not retract it and I've no issues with saying it to anybody face.  Now, this is a thread about the optic excesses of Canadian political parties, I made one single hypothetical example and you're on a tear.

 

Put the sauce down and relax

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30 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Back to that link, it's frigging stupid to see political parties applying for wage help, I get that it's not illegal but it's stupid.  It's terrible optically and with the amount they. make and their expense accounts there should be no reason technically private employees should be forced to take wage assistance through their employers who are public employees

whats terrible optically to me is the utter lack of participation by most people in the political system, and yet we bitch and moan that we don't get what we want to the point where legitimate employees getting a benefit during a pandemic "looks bad". What looks bad is us. 

 

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44 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I think this is complete BS just like the federal parties doing it.

why should legitimate employees not have the same benefits as any other not for profit? I don't think you've justified your dislike for this at all. Its no different than people who dislike oil arguing people in the oil patch shouldn't be allowed to access covid assistance programs. 

 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

why should legitimate employees not have the same benefits as any other not for profit? I don't think you've justified your dislike for this at all. Its no different than people who dislike oil arguing people in the oil patch shouldn't be allowed to access covid assistance programs. 

 

I don't care it's not right.

Politicians can cut their pay and give to these people or they can get that $2000 bucks or go hold a waffle breakfast to earn money. 

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38 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Life isn't black or white.  It isn't all or nothing.  There is a lot of grey and this thing called compromise.  Her body, her rules runs into the issue that after viability, the baby can survive.  Where you are actually killing what could be a "healthy baby".  That's why people have an adverse reaction to late-term abortions.  It's week  after week 20, not 26.  

I'm not sure how you're not getting it.  The bolded for example.  If you agree with what you said, then you decision was never based on women's rights.  Your decision is purely based off the development of the baby.  You may not realize it but you are closer being to a pro lifer than a pro choicer.   The only different between you and someone further pro-life is at when week/timeline you give that fetus human value.  When you feel the fetus has value, then you believe it shouldn't be aborted, the women really has nothing to do with your opinion. That's pro-life my friend, protecting of the "life" you place value in.   You can't claim, women's rights, her body, her rules only to change that opinion half way through the pregnancy. It's not like it's no longer her body. 

 

Like i said earlier I am in the 8-10 week camp but I can see where my logic is flawed.  My opinion is emotional based off when I believe the fetus has value and I based my timeline off when the heart beat is clearly detectable. I do know that factual evidence does suggest that the life of the fetus begins a conception so I know I allow grey into my opinion.  

 

 

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10 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I don't care it's not right.

Politicians can cut their pay and give to these people or they can get that $2000 bucks or go hold a waffle breakfast to earn money. 

The support political parties get from the tax payer doesn't stop with this wage subsidy. They get election expenses written off. Net benefit to parties is about $2.63 per vote. 

IMHO the Covid crisis is another attempt by politicians to get taxpayer support. So the taxpayer will be subsidizing the wages of people who are phoning me for a contribution. I quit donating money to politicians as there accountability to their membership is practically non-existent. These people already have their hands in my pocket through existing programs. 

 

The creeping institutionalizing of party finance simply distances the grassroots further away from party philosophy and direction. Town hall meetings are pretty much a thing of the past but had real value in MP interaction with citizens. This is right up there with Parliament not sitting for fear of Covid. Again another excuse to isolate the process. It is OK for grocery workers to work but our politicians hole up where ever they hole up. Real leadership?   

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12 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I don't care it's not right.

Politicians can cut their pay and give to these people or they can get that $2000 bucks or go hold a waffle breakfast to earn money. 

mah, you could say the same about anything you don't like. Like i said its no different from people not wanting AB to get money to prop up oil, its just on a much smaller scale. 

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56 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

mah, you could say the same about anything you don't like. Like i said its no different from people not wanting AB to get money to prop up oil, its just on a much smaller scale. 

Jim it's deeper than this and don't get me wrong I don't want to become the US where money buys the way but it annoys the hell out of me that my tax dollars go to the bloc and ndp for every vote they get.

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23 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Jim it's deeper than this and don't get me wrong I don't want to become the US where money buys the way but it annoys the hell out of me that my tax dollars go to the bloc and ndp for every vote they get.

I'd prefer that we do away with the tax exempt status and just give parties a small stipend on a per vote basis to run operations. 

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28 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Jim it's deeper than this and don't get me wrong I don't want to become the US where money buys the way but it annoys the hell out of me that my tax dollars go to the bloc and ndp for every vote they get.

And it annoys me that my tax dollars go towards preventing the CPC from starving to death.  Overall, it balances out.

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