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2 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

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Rogers Place is connected to the newly built hotel where players will stay via breezeway. 

 

The area is smaller than a prison. Anyone thinks players see hundreds of ppl walking around hanging out outside and they just stare out of Windows like they are in a jail is rediculous. It's not gonna happen .

Not here In edmonton. 

 

I haven't been to Vancouver for several months.. since before covid..  So i won't tell you how things are in that city. Don't call it dumb when I tell you how life is here.  

 

Players spend their entire lives, from bantam to the big leagues, sacrificing little pleasures like fast food, downtime, holiday vacations and family time, in order to be prepared for the rigors of an NHL career/season. They can handle being confined for 2 months (and that's for teams that make it far), whilst collecting a nice fat paychek to secure their family's livelihoods for the next couple of decades. I wouldn't worry about it personally.

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5 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Dont belive this for a minute.  There won't be a bubble in Edmonton. Can't speak for Toronto but won't be like that here in EDM.im here. Been here long time.. well before covid crisis started

. . Players will be out and about in Edmonton...

 

I walked from the rink and hotel where players will be staying for approx 20 mins to a friend's house.. And then back to rogers place MacEwan station to take LRT back to to my place. 

 

Life is normal here in edmonton.. 

 

There is no way players will lock up in a bubble. When they all come here and notice how people are living they will be going out for food and drinks or a walk or a jog..

 

I guarantee it.. no matter what media reports..  here they will not lock up in a bubble like they are in jail.. 

 

Maybe that's the plan but when they come to edmonton and see how normal things are they'll be out and about...

 

It might be fine, kind of like Saskatoon, but I don't see any players breaking the bubble as you suggest. You would have to be a complete idiot to end up on the front page of the Edmonton Journal breaking the the rules. Even if it's safe as a player you just can't do it.

 

That would be Leipsic level stupid. (I know not quite the same just sounded good) :lol:

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5 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

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Rogers Place is connected to the newly built hotel where players will stay via breezeway. 

 

The area is smaller than a prison. Anyone thinks players see hundreds of ppl walking around hanging out outside and they just stare out of Windows like they are in a jail is rediculous. It's not gonna happen .

Not here In edmonton. 

 

I haven't been to Vancouver for several months.. since before covid..  So i won't tell you how things are in that city. Don't call it dumb when I tell you how life is here.  

 

lol no one said it's dumb edmonton ppl are living their life as normal. i just find it dumb you think they won't be inside a bubble isolated to the area around the arena... the NHL is not going to risk all the players and personnel's safety and allow the players to go wherever they want in the city. laughable if you think otherwise. all it takes is 1 player  to contract the virus and spread to the team the season's done. you really think the NHL is wiling to take that risk? is Edmonton still doing safe distancing? are people still sanitizing everything down?? are people still taking precaution when they go out? just because you don't wear a mask doesn't mean life is normal.. if life is back to normal then people don't need to take the extra precaution.. all those barriers they put up in the edmonton casino are unncessary then coz edmonton is safe.

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The stricter the better for these games. I think even outside the bubble staff and family need to be monitored before they can enter the bubble.  Fencing off and surveillance cameras should be used. Health safety is paramount,  I think ankle bracelets would be good, added reassurance. 

Safety safety safety. 

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3 hours ago, mll said:

 

That's not going to happen.  Players are going to live in a bubble and are not going to be allowed outside that bubble until their team is eliminated.  

 

They are apparently even going to build a 2 block wall around the rink, the JW Marriott and the Sutton.  Players will have access to a golf course that will be shutdown some days for them.  They have arrangements with several restaurants in town that will deliver food on order.  They will apparently also lock down some restaurants that will become exclusive for the NHL - they will reach there by shuttles operated by the NHL.

 

unless they quarantine workers from the the public and their own families then it's not going to matter, the players will be exposed and will expose themselves to the general public.  

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1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

The stricter the better for these games. I think even outside the bubble staff and family need to be monitored before they can enter the bubble.  Fencing off and surveillance cameras should be used. Health safety is paramount,  I think ankle bracelets would be good, added reassurance. 

Safety safety safety. 

I don't know anything but my first worry is some lazy fringe staff member doesn't care about hockey and slips out for some drinks with friends and ruins it for everyone. Conceivably though the whole cleaning staff could be showered/washed, and then proceed to do cleanup with a mask, even if they brought in some fresh Covid. In that case they may be able to keep people clean even with Covid. I would have a staff Supervisor watching every move (never remove mask or touch face), and possibly have self contained breathing units for the tertiary people in the bubble.

 

Are there actually going to be cleaning staff quarantined in the bubble? Some people are so rich or too young to care about the logistics, or the care and dedication some people have to picking up their $&!#.

 

You have to remember there are no crowds so no seat, food service, food spill, walkway, or food area clean up. We're strictly talking about Ice, Benches, Change Rooms, Physio Rooms, and Media Areas. These would be your most trusted high level career employees, not some 17 kid serving you a corn-dog for $17.50.

 

I wonder what kind of staff that would take? 3 games a day = 6 change rooms, breakfast/meeting places, practice. I wouldn't put more than 2 in a room (probably one), 2 in a meeting place, and so on. I'd probably staff 12 people per day or less to be safe. Then there  is the Zamboni, and ice crew, janitorial, so another 4-10. If I had that contract I would be pumped to provide the best service ever. My people would be impeccable.

 

I don't own a cleaning company so someone else might tell me I'm out to lunch, which is OK. I just wonder what it would take to run a skeleton crew in a complex such as this. I've trained in big stadiums before where 5 or less people were running it on an off day.

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6 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

@wai_lai416

Rogers Place is connected to the newly built hotel where players will stay via breezeway. 

 

The area is smaller than a prison. Anyone thinks players see hundreds of ppl walking around hanging out outside and they just stare out of Windows like they are in a jail is rediculous. It's not gonna happen .

Not here In edmonton. 

 

I haven't been to Vancouver for several months.. since before covid..  So i won't tell you how things are in that city. Don't call it dumb when I tell you how life is here.  

 

so Edmonton is not going to follow the guidelines set out by the federal government? not to be rude but Edmonton if as you say is in normal mode, then why is there a uptick  in cases in the past week or so? the League has agreed with the federal government  and sorry but there will be a bubble for the players and workers.  the players want to be safe!!!

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

unless they quarantine workers from the the public and their own families then it's not going to matter, the players will be exposed and will expose themselves to the general public.  

Expose themselves...yeah maybe.   But how many cases are in EDM and TO exactly?   I’m not a Trump fan but come on - the math isn’t that difficult.  Sure they have actuaries working on it for insurance reasons and we are talking tiny tiny odds once all players have made it to the hub cities - been tested - the ones that have it are isolated and the tournament begins.  Most players  have much worse odds of getting it staying home and training in the US team cities that fall under the 24 teams in it to win.  Yes we all know it could happen.   That said unless EDM and TO have a bunch of new cases it’s not very likely the players that test negative will get it.   The NHL should hurry up and get them out of the US and test them when they get to EDM and TO and get on with it.   Odds are higher of getting hit by a bus.  Or the plane going down on the way to the hub cities.

 

Edit:  plus have you factored into this that EVERYONE is getting tested daily - including anyone who comes into contact in the “bubble”?  

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18 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Expose themselves...yeah maybe.   But how many cases are in EDM and TO exactly?   I’m not a Trump fan but come on - the math isn’t that difficult.  Sure they have actuaries working on it for insurance reasons and we are talking tiny tiny odds once all players have made it to the hub cities - been tested - the ones that have it are isolated and the tournament begins.  Most players  have much worse odds of getting it staying home and training in the US team cities that fall under the 24 teams in it to win.  Yes we all know it could happen.   That said unless EDM and TO have a bunch of new cases it’s not very likely the players that test negative will get it.   The NHL should hurry up and get them out of the US and test them when they get to EDM and TO and get on with it.   Odds are higher of getting hit by a bus.  Or the plane going down on the way to the hub cities.

 

Edit:  plus have you factored into this that EVERYONE is getting tested daily - including anyone who comes into contact in the “bubble”?  

agreed

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20 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Expose themselves...yeah maybe.   But how many cases are in EDM and TO exactly?   I’m not a Trump fan but come on - the math isn’t that difficult.  Sure they have actuaries working on it for insurance reasons and we are talking tiny tiny odds once all players have made it to the hub cities - been tested - the ones that have it are isolated and the tournament begins.  Most players  have much worse odds of getting it staying home and training in the US team cities that fall under the 24 teams in it to win.  Yes we all know it could happen.   That said unless EDM and TO have a bunch of new cases it’s not very likely the players that test negative will get it.   The NHL should hurry up and get them out of the US and test them when they get to EDM and TO and get on with it.   Odds are higher of getting hit by a bus.  Or the plane going down on the way to the hub cities.

 

Edit:  plus have you factored into this that EVERYONE is getting tested daily - including anyone who comes into contact in the “bubble”?  

I couldn't care less what happens to them, I care about outbreaks in our country

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

unless they quarantine workers from the the public and their own families then it's not going to matter, the players will be exposed and will expose themselves to the general public.  

Phase 4 is likely going to be just as strict as phase 2.  The protocols should be made available.

 

The most challenging part of this return to play is actually now - ensuring that everyone enters the bubble virus free.  Burnside says multiple executives are worried that some of their players are not going to be responsible throughout this return to play.  There's frustration because the league is implementing all those strict protocols (like masks at all times when not on the ice) and then players go out and put themselves at risk away from the rink.  They are also worried about the players' social circle where the people close to them could catch it and pass it on.

 

There's no control over what a player does until the bubble of phase 4.  The league is relying on players being responsible and doing all they can to limit their exposure to stay virus free.


The thread on the main board on Virtanen shows just how challenging it is.  Several are arguing that he did not break any law (he didn't) and therefore it's a non issue.  Someone is even arguing that the clubs wouldn't be open if it wasn't safe.  It's not covid safe though.  The virus doesn't care about the law.  The new reality is that there is always a risk to catch it and social distancing and wearing a mask limits the risk.

 

Testing is not fail proof and it can take several days for testing to detect the virus.

 

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2 minutes ago, mll said:

Phase 4 is likely going to be just as strict as phase 2.  The protocols should be made available.

 

The most challenging part of this return to play is actually now - ensuring that everyone enters the bubble virus free.  Burnside says multiple executives are worried that some of their players are not going to be responsible throughout this return to play.  There's frustration because the league is implementing all those strict protocols (like masks at all times when not on the ice) and then players go out and put themselves at risk away from the rink.  They are also worried about the players' social circle where the people close to them could catch it and pass it on.

 

There's no control over what a player does until the bubble of phase 4.  The league is relying on players being responsible and doing all they can to limit their exposure to stay virus free.


The thread on the main board on Virtanen shows just how challenging it is.  Several are arguing that he did not break any law (he didn't) and therefore it's a non issue.  Someone is even arguing that the clubs wouldn't be open if it wasn't safe.  It's not covid safe though.  The virus doesn't care about the law.  The new reality is that there is always a risk to catch it and social distancing and wearing a mask limits the risk.

 

Testing is not fail proof and it can take several days for testing to detect the virus.

 

the virtanen thing is a moot point right now as they aren't restricted in any way, they are regular citizens.  That's not to say I agree with his actions, but it's got no bearing on the plan moving forward.  

 

We need to take into account that going into late summer/fall, we likely won't be moving forward in the phases, but backwards as we head back inside and the second wave likely begins.  Truly, even though coming to Canada was the smart move, I don't see the season continuing and I don't see the next season starting either.

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5 minutes ago, stawns said:

the virtanen thing is a moot point right now as they aren't restricted in any way, they are regular citizens.  That's not to say I agree with his actions, but it's got no bearing on the plan moving forward.  

 

We need to take into account that going into late summer/fall, we likely won't be moving forward in the phases, but backwards as we head back inside and the second wave likely begins.  Truly, even though coming to Canada was the smart move, I don't see the season continuing and I don't see the next season starting either.

They are free citizens but they are still at risk of catching covid and bringing it inside the bubble.  That's the challenge that teams are having with their players.  There's not the understanding that they have to act beyond the law already now to ensure that in no way they are going to bring the virus inside the bubble or transmit it to a teammate.  On the last day of phase 3 a player is free to go out clubbing and catch the virus.  There's nothing that can prevent it than a player acting responsibly.  This whole thing might collapse before even the bubble of phase 4.  

 

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19 minutes ago, stawns said:

I couldn't care less what happens to them, I care about outbreaks in our country

You're worried about 1200 people in a nation of 35 million people, whom are taking more care than those said people? What am I missing in your stance?

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17 minutes ago, mll said:

Phase 4 is likely going to be just as strict as phase 2.  The protocols should be made available.

 

The most challenging part of this return to play is actually now - ensuring that everyone enters the bubble virus free.  Burnside says multiple executives are worried that some of their players are not going to be responsible throughout this return to play.  There's frustration because the league is implementing all those strict protocols (like masks at all times when not on the ice) and then players go out and put themselves at risk away from the rink.  They are also worried about the players' social circle where the people close to them could catch it and pass it on.

 

There's no control over what a player does until the bubble of phase 4.  The league is relying on players being responsible and doing all they can to limit their exposure to stay virus free.


The thread on the main board on Virtanen shows just how challenging it is.  Several are arguing that he did not break any law (he didn't) and therefore it's a non issue.  Someone is even arguing that the clubs wouldn't be open if it wasn't safe.  It's not covid safe though.  The virus doesn't care about the law.  The new reality is that there is always a risk to catch it and social distancing and wearing a mask limits the risk.

 

Testing is not fail proof and it can take several days for testing to detect the virus.

 

For me that's the only way it's feasible to human beings.

 

1. Live according to the law as you see it until testing.

2. Be tested, If pass go to camp

3. Play, or if fail be quarantined 14 days.

4. Once passing test rely on the bubble, as well as practicing moderate social distancing.

 

End of story.

 

It's all about testing at this point, and then adherence to the bubble. We're way beyond social distancing being a be all end all. Lots of these guys will be spitting and bleeding on each other in short time.

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8 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

You're worried about 1200 people in a nation of 35 million people, whom are taking more care than those said people? What am I missing in your stance?

Perhaps it is the fact that not all 1200 people have been in Canada since the beginning of covid.

A bunch will be coming from Texas, California and Florida.

A bunch will be flying back from Europe.

Lots of possible cases.

 

Once in the bubble and they stay in the bubble the worry subsides; however I've still not seen confirmation that all the restaurant/hotel staff will be in the bubble or if they are going to their homes every night.

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