canuktravella Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, mll said: More that they are not allowing them to play. Makar, Boeser, Hughes, McAvoy, Kreider, etc etc were all allowed to sign their ELCs and play immediately. Canucks could do the same with Rathbone. regardless we need rathbone signed and from what the nhl said online he can participate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Why would they allow them to sign but not play? Such a weird ruling. So if Rathbone were to sign tomorrow we could still add him to our list of reserves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, canuktravella said: regardless we need rathbone signed and from what the nhl said online he can participate He can't play. He can practice with the team and be part of the bubble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) Okay, this is just weird! I wonder if they will have canned booing for Bettman to make it more life like when he presents the Stanley Cup to Horvat! Edited July 12, 2020 by Mackcanuck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Why would they allow them to sign but not play? Such a weird ruling. So if Rathbone were to sign tomorrow we could still add him to our list of reserves? He could be part of the black aces but will not be allowed to play in a game. He will count towards the 31 players they are allowed to bring in the bubble. Canucks might not want to do it though. It burns a year of his ELC and gets him a year earlier to his 2nd contract. There's no signing bonus or salary payment - it's just to burn a year. He won't have arbitration rights or won't be able to sign an offer sheet once his ELC is up though. They initially did not want them to sign unlike past years were Makar, Boeser, McAvoy etc all signed and got into games immediately. It's a one-off for this season only. That rule was troublesome for KHL players in particular as they have the option to play an additional year at home. The KHL is starting on time and they can elect to stay there an additional year and delay coming over. NYI is counting on Sorokin next season. If he plays in the KHL they will lose a year of development and have to find another goalie to second Varlamov. Montreal is counting on Weber to mentor Romanov - losing a year of development with Weber getting older is not ideal. Guerin moved Zucker to create a top-6 spot for Kaprisov. Edited July 12, 2020 by mll 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, mll said: He won't have arbitration rights or won't be able to sign an offer sheet once his ELC is up though So, a bit better for the Canucks, and for Rathbone as he will be making NHL money, even if it isn't quite what he would get after the elc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, gurn said: So, a bit better for the Canucks, and for Rathbone as he will be making NHL money, even if it isn't quite what he would get after the elc.? He would be in the same situation as Boeser. Gaudette this year and Hughes next year are in that same situation too. Canucks are not at risk of losing them to an offer sheet and they can't file for arbitration. That normally gives the team a bit more leverage as all the player can really do is sit out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Okay..punt the Habs & bring in the Sabs(on the dble!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 6 hours ago, mll said: Training camp is at most 30 skaters + an unlimited number of goalies. Teams can only bring 31 players in the bubble. Would think that Domi is on Montreal's training camp roster as part of the 30 skaters. Domi during the break said he wanted to play. He falls under this clause though where he could be forced out: That makes it hard for a few players - that want to play despite bring high risk covid cases. If all things were the same back in the 70’s Bobby Clark would probably fit into this category and you could bet every nickel that he would fight this as much as he could just to play anyways. The ironic thing is the players are almost certainly safer in the bubble then their home cities if they play for any US team. Which the players themselves have brought up several times. This tournament is happening barring any catastrophic events. Someone would almost have to purposely bring it in ... which unfortunately is a thing...reading a story of a 30 year old who went to what they call a “Covid party” - 20-30 year olds get together in mass and party literally daring each other to see if anyone gets it (sharing drinks - no social distancing etc...pretty Darwin Awardish) and the mans last words were he wished he didn’t tempt fate (he died). Screening and testing of the support staff will be absolutely critical...anyone who’s impatient or rude to restaurant staff good chance you’ve eaten their saliva or worse. If I was running this I’d have a caretaker/security watching every single step of the supply chain especially in the kitchen monitoring things. That and checking constantly on cleaning and making sure the bubbles integrity is maintained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Do they have an actual number yet? Are they part of the 26 confirmed players or do they get added to the total? Most likely they will be fine by the start date if they were part of the original players .... could be 4-6 weeks after in that case ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, IBatch said: If all things were the same back in the 70’s Bobby Clark would probably fit into this category and you could bet every nickel that he would fight this as much as he could just to play anyways. Feel free to bet your money, but I'll handle my own bets thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 4 hours ago, mll said: New ELC players are allowed to sign and participate but won't be allowed to get into games. They will burn a year of their ELC. The 53-hour signing window opens tomorrow. So he can skate and practice but not play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rush17 said: So he can skate and practice but not play? That’s such a bizarre rule. What if a team has multiple players forced to quarantine? You would think you could at least use those players on an emergency basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Anyone have the details of the just how the fines and such work if a player breaks the bubble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 4 hours ago, gurn said: Anyone have the details of the just how the fines and such work if a player breaks the bubble? Not defined. Will depend on the severity of the infraction. Players have to follow protocol (wearing masks, self-distancing etc) at all times. Breaking the bubble without valid justification would likely fall in the more severe category. From the protocol of phase 4: PENALTIES FOR NON-COMPLIANCE As indicated above, individuals leaving the Phase 4 Secure Zone without permission may be subject to consequences up to and including the removal from the Phase 4, or in other cases, strict quarantines of up to 10 - 14 days as well as enhanced testing and monitoring upon return. In addition, established violations of the rules set forth in this Protocol will result in For Clubs, significant penalties, potentially including fines and/or loss of draft choices. For third party vendors, potential contract termination. For NHL staff, potential dismissal from the Phase 4 Secure Zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aGENT Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: They're lucky they nabbed Farabee and Frost! Thank goodness the Canucks didn't have lottery balls 'go their way' that year and draft him! Can you imagine this market if we'd 'won' Patrick?! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, aGENT said: They're lucky they nabbed Farabee and Frost! Thank goodness the Canucks didn't have lottery balls 'go their way' that year and draft him! Can you imagine this market if we'd 'won' Patrick?! From everything I have read, the only player we had ahead of Petey was Makar. Keep in mind that Patrick had an injury history early into his junior career. He was considered the presumptive 1st overall pick and people were wondering if his injuries would prevent him even playing a game in the NHL. I would not be surprised if multiple teams had him on the dreaded DND list. Edited July 13, 2020 by Toews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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