Angry Goose Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Benning is not good at everything that a GM does. Nobody is. It is only natural to hire support staff who are good at the things that you are not as strong at. Hence the Gear promotion. Now, Benning and Weisbrod are both from the scouting side so this situation isn't really about being machiavellian, Brackett is a man of ability and Benning offered him a contract because of this. He would rather have Brackett stay but there's no future growth for him in Vancouver. It's not personal, it's business. Good luck Judd. Agreed. Mentioning Gear is a good example. Even if Gear does 99.9 percent of the contract negotiations (which by all accounts JB let's Gear freely do his work), JB has to be the one that has final say on it. Same goes with Judd and the organization of the amateur scouting department. But in that case-difference of vision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Benning is not good at everything that a GM does. Nobody is. It is only natural to hire support staff who are good at the things that you are not as strong at. Hence the Gear promotion. Now, Benning and Weisbrod are both from the scouting side so this situation isn't really about being machiavellian, Brackett is a man of ability and Benning offered him a contract because of this. He would rather have Brackett stay but there's no future growth for him in Vancouver. It's not personal, it's business. Good luck Judd. What do you think a GM does that we as fans are not familiar with? I have always wondered. Make budgets? Travel arrangements? Stick orders? Popcorn price sensitivity for the arena? I think there's a lot of PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, Provost said: That is entirely ignoring that Brackett was just a part time scout for the USHL and had effectively zero say in the choices that were made, he didn't even have a seat at the table as the crossover scouts come in and they are the ones that bring their recommendations to the team... so picks before he was Director of Scouting can't be hung on him at all. The Juolevi pick was also apparently all Benning as he went and scouted him personally half a dozen times and decided on organizational need to make the pick over just BPA. Benning's taking greater control of the draft happened last year, after Linden left, prior to that Linden was having Brackett as the key guy. So if you want to judge Brackett's tenure it would be the picks beyond the 1st round in 16 and the full drafts in 17 and 18 where he DID have the voice at the table he wanted. Judge him on those players where he actually had influence. It just seems all too convenient to omit the 2016 Juolevi pick from Brackett's resume when he was appointed director in August 2015 and had almost a full year on the job, so he must've had some input here. With that said, I don't think the Juolevi pick was a bad one, just unfortunate injuries after the fact. But Benning and Brackett and the draft team get the credit/blame here much like the rest of the drafts. Glass was also considered BPA in 2018 at our pick, but we also went away with the public rankings and it worked out, so it's not unreasonable to believe that they had Juolevi ranked higher and was considered our draft list's BPA. The jury is still out on Lockwood, but the rest of that 2016 draft hasn't produced anything. It seems the first two rounds are important to Benning, so he's very much involved in those picks. In the 2017 draft floor video, Benning sounded very high on DiPietro. They had early talks of Rathbone, even before the DiPietro pick, where Weisbrod and Brackett were high on and both have connections in that area. The rest of the draft hasn't produced much else after that. Similarly in 2018, Benning and crew seem elated over the first two rounds. If Brackett had more of a voice, he wasn't the only voice and they had collectively got the players they targetted. Madden was the big time obvious choice of Brackett (it was a good pick) as he seemed to fight tooth and nail for him (so perhaps the final straw was when we traded him). Not much else has come from that draft so far. So 2019 comes and supposedly Brackett has less of a voice. 2019 doesn't have a draft floor video, so it may not be a surprise that there was already some tension at that point. However there was a draft meeting video and Brackett was still definitely running the show at that point. The talks are of day 2 being the divide. In the draft meeting video, there is talks from Brackett talking of a smaller player that is skilled but needs to be cautious of playing through the middle of the ice. We don't know who he's talking about, but it does sound like Hoglander and maybe he wasn't very high on him and Benning wanted him. This is fitting towards how Brackett wants more autonomy and Benning suggesting he doesn't want to give up the first two rounds. So at that point, how much say did Brackett have from then on? Focht looks like a solid pick and there are some promise on others, but they're could turn out to not be much, just like the previous couple of years. So really the only "successful" picks so far that Brackett supposedly had the biggest influence are Madden and possibly Rathbone (but as mentioned, Weisbrod also has connections in that area). Focht IMO is about as good as the Madden pick anyway, so can't say there's a whole lot to hang his hat on to have him force a power move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Madden was the big time obvious choice of Brackett If you watch the 2018 draft table video Bracket actually proposes taking a goalie in that spot and Benning opts to take a forward iirc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: Benning is not good at everything that a GM does. Nobody is. It is only natural to hire support staff who are good at the things that you are not as strong at. Hence the Gear promotion. Now, Benning and Weisbrod are both from the scouting side so this situation isn't really about being machiavellian, Brackett is a man of ability and Benning offered him a contract because of this. He would rather have Brackett stay but there's no future growth for him in Vancouver. It's not personal, it's business. Good luck Judd. that may be true, but it begs the question, 'why hire Wiesbrod if he brings redundant skills to the skills Jim brings?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, SilentSam said: ... and how well Bracket has done with a top ten pick in Seattle or elsewhere. Lol. if he ends up on a team run by Mike Gillis our local media will be completely unbearable. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Chris12345 said: What do you think a GM does that we as fans are not familiar with? I have always wondered. Make budgets? Travel arrangements? Stick orders? Popcorn price sensitivity for the arena? I think there's a lot of PR. Benning could use some help with the PR but people like to hear stuff straight from the horses mouth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if he ends up on a team run by Mike Gillis our local media will be completely unbearable. As if they aren't already 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Crabcakes said: As if they aren't already it occurred to me - that would be a way to make them worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, lmm said: that may be true, but it begs the question, 'why hire Wiesbrod if he brings redundant skills to the skills Jim brings?' He's the right hand man. A sounding board, he knows him well from his Boston days. There is duplication in the skill set for sure but most GM's have a guy like Weisbrod 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: it occurred to me - that would be a way to make them worse. Ya, I'll give you that. Completely unbearable IS more than just unbearable. The good news is that i think that if Gillis does get a job, Sekeres will be looking for a job in that city. I wish him well in New Jersey 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: Benning could use some help with the PR but people like to hear stuff straight from the horses mouth Yea it's not a secret his pr is brutal which is why Linden was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Crabcakes said: Ya, I'll give you that. Completely unbearable IS more than just unbearable. The good news is that i think that if Gillis does get a job, Sekeres will be looking for a job in that city. I wish him well in New Jersey Is he going to New Jersey? I had them picked to be a power in 2-3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: Is he going to New Jersey? I had them picked to be a power in 2-3 years Lord knows, he interviewed there appparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 8 hours ago, BlastPast said: If you watch the 2018 draft table video Bracket actually proposes taking a goalie in that spot and Benning opts to take a forward iirc. Good catch and also more collaboration that goes with what Benning insisted rather than simply Brackett calling the shots. We have video evidence from the people themselves, but some would rather believe the media with their "inside sources" that they cannot reveal and who knows how they are spinning the information given to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Apparently when Benning wanted to use Madden as a trade chip Judd was opposed to it and gave JB ultimatum that if he was traded he wouldn’t re sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 Though its not surprising given they have nothing else to yak about, the media is being so ridiculous about this. There's no power struggle because Brackett has no power, he's a scout, an advisor. Benning makes the call not judd Brackett. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 19 hours ago, theo5789 said: It just seems all too convenient to omit the 2016 Juolevi pick from Brackett's resume when he was appointed director in August 2015 and had almost a full year on the job, so he must've had some input here. With that said, I don't think the Juolevi pick was a bad one, just unfortunate injuries after the fact. But Benning and Brackett and the draft team get the credit/blame here much like the rest of the drafts. Glass was also considered BPA in 2018 at our pick, but we also went away with the public rankings and it worked out, so it's not unreasonable to believe that they had Juolevi ranked higher and was considered our draft list's BPA. The jury is still out on Lockwood, but the rest of that 2016 draft hasn't produced anything. It seems the first two rounds are important to Benning, so he's very much involved in those picks. In the 2017 draft floor video, Benning sounded very high on DiPietro. They had early talks of Rathbone, even before the DiPietro pick, where Weisbrod and Brackett were high on and both have connections in that area. The rest of the draft hasn't produced much else after that. Similarly in 2018, Benning and crew seem elated over the first two rounds. If Brackett had more of a voice, he wasn't the only voice and they had collectively got the players they targetted. Madden was the big time obvious choice of Brackett (it was a good pick) as he seemed to fight tooth and nail for him (so perhaps the final straw was when we traded him). Not much else has come from that draft so far. So 2019 comes and supposedly Brackett has less of a voice. 2019 doesn't have a draft floor video, so it may not be a surprise that there was already some tension at that point. However there was a draft meeting video and Brackett was still definitely running the show at that point. The talks are of day 2 being the divide. In the draft meeting video, there is talks from Brackett talking of a smaller player that is skilled but needs to be cautious of playing through the middle of the ice. We don't know who he's talking about, but it does sound like Hoglander and maybe he wasn't very high on him and Benning wanted him. This is fitting towards how Brackett wants more autonomy and Benning suggesting he doesn't want to give up the first two rounds. So at that point, how much say did Brackett have from then on? Focht looks like a solid pick and there are some promise on others, but they're could turn out to not be much, just like the previous couple of years. So really the only "successful" picks so far that Brackett supposedly had the biggest influence are Madden and possibly Rathbone (but as mentioned, Weisbrod also has connections in that area). Focht IMO is about as good as the Madden pick anyway, so can't say there's a whole lot to hang his hat on to have him force a power move. It seems to me that Brackett thinks he had more say than he actually did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: Apparently when Benning wanted to use Madden as a trade chip Judd was opposed to it and gave JB ultimatum that if he was traded he wouldn’t re sign. Source? 3 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: Apparently when Benning wanted to use Madden as a trade chip Judd was opposed to it and gave JB ultimatum that if he was traded he wouldn’t re sign. Hahaha. What world do you live in where you can throw ultimatums in your boss' face and still expect to have a job?? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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