[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket

[AV's Coin]

41 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

This guy should sign up for Grammarly.

[VegasCanuck]

4 hours ago, Squamfan said:

 

Over hyped, this whole issue has been highly overrated.

 

Ultimately, things changed when Benning arrived and gave our scouting the direction and directive that they needed. Everywhere he's gone, they have had good scouting. Its about setting expectations and bringing in good people to fulfill your plan.

 

Benning is the key to our success because he gave the direction. He'll appoint a suitable replacement and we'll move forward the same as we have been since he took charge.

 

[Fred65]

4 hours ago, Squamfan said:

 

 

If there is a humourous side to this story it's that all of those posters who constantly down graded this story as it developed as fake news from fake journalists. Well …. apparently not !!   Seems like the accused fake journalists through their sources were actually on to some thing. Many who fostered pre conceived beliefs now have red faces 

[-AJ-]

2 hours ago, Squamfan said:

 

Did not want a promotion, just wanted to do his job and be in charge of hiring. Nenning ego just sent the canucks back 10 years

What are you, some sort of Benning fanboy? This sets us back 50 years, not 10. Benning boys smh....

[SilentSam]

4 hours ago, Squamfan said:

 

 

The last time Benning baffled the sports media in this town,.    He traded for JT Miller.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by SilentSam

[JM_]

2 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Not even close Jimmy.

 

You know as well as I do that there's a certain element on CDC (not saying you or I), that will continue to dredge up every single pick that Judd's next organization makes (and he will be hired by another organization undoubtedly) and compare them with ours - for better or worse. 

 

This story ain't over, just one chapter - I think we know CDC too well to believe that. 

yeah, this will be like Frankie Corrado x10.

 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Squamfan said:

 

Did not want a promotion, just wanted to do his job and be in charge of hiring. Nenning ego just sent the canucks back 10 years

OK. You've really lost it now, thats just ridiculous. 

 

He wants more autonomy than Benning likes to have in his organization. It happens. You're making it sound like Judd ran the whole show. 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[JM_]

wait.... "@Judd4theDefense"????? omg that means he picked Juolevi 

[BlastPast]

13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

OK. You've really lost it now, thats just ridiculous. 

 

He wants more autonomy than Benning likes to have in his organization. It happens. You're making it sound like Judd ran the whole show. 

 

I think what he's saying is that we're primed for a run to the finals next season !

[Junkyard Dog]

Overrated

[zimmy]

3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

"We ate the food, drank the wine. Everybody had a good time. Except you, you were acting like it was the end of the world..."

 

 

Best version is live from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction ceremony a few years ago.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

10 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Over hyped, this whole issue has been highly overrated.

 

Ultimately, things changed when Benning arrived and gave our scouting the direction and directive that they needed. Everywhere he's gone, they have had good scouting. Its about setting expectations and bringing in good people to fulfill your plan.

 

Benning is the key to our success because he gave the direction. He'll appoint a suitable replacement and we'll move forward the same as we have been since he took charge.

 

Definitely overhyped, when it comes to Brackett’s individual impact.

 

I think if you look back to around 2012, you see the beginnings of our improved process and performance at the draft. That 2012 Draft yielded Gaunce and Hutton. People will scoff, but that’s actually pretty decent for a draft with only five picks and picking very late in the rounds. Sure the Mallet pick was idiotic for a second rounder, but overall, not a bad draft, given our limited picks.

 

2013, you see the first draft under Eric Crawford and Gillis’s revamped scouting department. We only have Horvat to show for it (still a great pick obviously), but the process behind picking Shinkaruk, Cassels, and Subban is a clear improvement (these picks are all “near misses” and you can sense we’re starting to zero in on target).

 

2014 is basically still a Gillis draft, as far as the scouting personnel, and Eric Crawford running the department. Benning probably gets credit for the first round (as most new GMs do), but the Day 2 picks are being made by the department he inherited from MG, and the scouts do rather well, finding three NHL players in Demko, Tryamkin, and Forsling.

 

2015, it’s still Eric Crawford running the department that season, although he’ll be fired less than a week after the draft. Brackett is nowhere to be found on draft day. Judd isn’t on the floor or on the stage for the Boeser pick. We come away with Boeser, Brisebois, Gaudette, and Jasek. Two career NHLers and two more prospects who might join them eventually. Great overall result, especially with a late first and no second rounder.

 

2016 is Brackett’s first kick at the can. Benning is said to have forced the Juolevi pick. Maybe that’s true. Maybe not. So far nothing much to show from that draft, although I expect Juolevi and Lockwood will play NHL, and maybe even Ābols might eventually get a cup of coffee (although not with us).

 

2017, the gold standard Brackett draft. Really exciting picks. Pettersson, obviously, but also the process improvements really seem to be bearing fruit now. Picks seem to be going after skill, and lining up well with data-driven approaches. Also helps to have two second round picks, and eight picks on total. Really nice draft and seems like the scouting department is humming along.

 

2018, Hughes basically falls in our laps, so nobody gets a gold star for that pick, but you still see really good process leading to us taking Woo and Madden, and also making bets on guys like Utunen and Manukyan.
 

2019, the relationships are apparently souring, Linden is out (and Brackett reportedly loses a “protector”), and Benning and Weisbrod, right or wrong, are supposedly looking to flex their muscles, pushing back against Brackett’s autonomy, and reportedly start fiddling with the draft board. Whatever the case, the results, so far, look really good. Another strong draft. Podkolzin and Höglander look like steals (although you could argue they both fell to us and were no brainers). But the rest of the picks (other than zero defenceman) look like great bets and seem to suggest that the overall process remains strong, even with Brackett “sidelined” and JimJohn getting more hands on. If the 2019 draft is a sign of things to come, sign me up, because I really liked what they did last year. Too early to say, but that draft has a legitimate shot of producing several quality NHL players. 

 

Overall, it’s been a continuum dating back several years, and IMO even preceding Benning, that’s seen our scouting department strengthened and our draft results improve. We’ve seen some great results under two scouting directors (Crawford 2013-15 and Brackett 2016-19) and also great results in draft years when those scouting directors were being phased out (2015 and 2019). This really speaks to the strength of the overall group, and the leadership at the top. I don’t believe our drafting/scouting success is based on any one person, or that it will be compromised by the loss of any one person. We kept improving and refining the process, starting with Gillis, and then really showing results under Benning. Our scouting department was successful under Crawford, and after he was fired, found success under Brackett, and we will likely continue to be successful now that Brackett is moving on. 

[SilentSam]

6 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

wait.... "@Judd4theDefense"????? omg that means he picked Juolevi 

Watch...  Brackett will go to Seattle,    and an Extorsion Draft league wide to hang himself with.

 

In the attempt to rule the world,  Kingdoms are given up, and left behind.

 

Im wondering if Brackett realizes what he is giving up.. chances are anything he was hoping to grasp now, would have been attained with patience.

Edited May 30, 2020 by SilentSam

[Maniwaki Canuck]

I'm not happy about this at all, but have to think it's about Brackett wanting an upgraded position and set of duties.  If it was just about money for his existing job it shouldn't have come to this (but you never know). 

It's getting hard not to notice the regular purges in Canucks management.  First it was Gilman, Henning et al, then Linden, now this.  Is Benning hard to work with or unable to handle different opinions?  Do the people around him underestimate him and try to move in on his role?  Is it just that Brackett has ambitions that the Canucks can't meet and this situation has nothing to do with the previous ones?  Hard to say.

But this is a loss and I'm on the same page as those who'd rather have a bit more friction in the front office with Brackett in a higher position than a mediocre peace with Weisbrod as the clear number two.

[bree2]

sorry guys, but I am glad its done with. we can move on. I trust Benning  with this team. 

[Hogs & Podz]

Okay... I come here to enjoy talking about the Nucks with fellow fans and get up to the minute news in the team.  Normally I just scroll past curtain posters that have a hater agenda towards players or management.  Not because I don't agree or that I'm a homer per say.  Just because none of us truly know why any one decision is made by the organization unless we're given the full story.  Those posters here that decide to make it their mission to discredit said players or management without really having any facts has finally gotten to me.  So that being said, how do you find and implement the ignore button?

 

To add to this thread...  Just wanna wish Mr. Brackett all the best.  Thank you for your great work!  Really enjoyed how articulate and his thorough analysis on why scouting staff chose curtain players.

[-AJ-]

3 minutes ago, Hogs & Podz said:

Those posters here that decide to make it their mission to discredit said players or management without really having any facts has finally gotten to me.  So that being said, how do you find and implement the ignore button?

In case you're serious, on PC, hover over the name of the user you wish to ignore and you'll see the following pop up: Click "Ignore User".

 

[Hogs & Podz]

2 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

In case you're serious, on PC, hover over the name of the user you wish to ignore and you'll see the following pop up: Click "Ignore User".

 

Yes I am!  Unfortunately I post on my android phone... I hope to get on my computer and do as you suggest.  Thank you for the info AJ!

[The Lock]

22 minutes ago, bree2 said:

sorry guys, but I am glad its done with. we can move on. I trust Benning  with this team. 

I'm glad this is done too. So many were pointing fingers like people aren't allowed to have opinions.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

38 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

I'm not happy about this at all, but have to think it's about Brackett wanting an upgraded position and set of duties.  If it was just about money for his existing job it shouldn't have come to this (but you never know). 

It's getting hard not to notice the regular purges in Canucks management.  First it was Gilman, Henning et al, then Linden, now this.  Is Benning hard to work with or unable to handle different opinions?  Do the people around him underestimate him and try to move in on his role?  Is it just that Brackett has ambitions that the Canucks can't meet and this situation has nothing to do with the previous ones?  Hard to say.

But this is a loss and I'm on the same page as those who'd rather have a bit more friction in the front office with Brackett in a higher position than a mediocre peace with Weisbrod as the clear number two.

I hear what you’re saying, and I’m definitely one of the people who’d love to have the ability to jump into a parallel universe where MG was allowed to rebuild, kept his team with Gilman and Henning, and Crawford was given several drafts with early picks and high pick volume. It’s quite possible (though far from guaranteed) that in that reality, we’re already long since rebuilt and now contending.

 

But in our reality, Gillis got ****canned and we hired JB. It’s the new guy’s prerogative to build his own team. It’s no surprise that the “night of the long knives” happened and the Gillis loyalists were purged from the organization. The Linden thing, yeah, maybe a betrayal, but who knows the full story, really. As for Brackett, sometimes there’s just not enough room at the top. It seems all but confirmed that he wanted autonomy in running amateur scouting, and that just doesn’t happen in the NHL, unless your scouting director also happens to be the GM/AGM or a maybe Hockey Ops VP, etc. Otherwise, the director reports to the GM. And if Brackett wasn’t happy in that role and the chain of command, he needed to move on, and seek a GM/AGM position with another team. Can’t really blame Benning for not giving into that kind of demand. It would be pretty much unprecedented and would really undermine his authority, and in one of the areas where he’s arguably the most capable.