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Hypothetical scenario: league grants a buyout per team. Bye LouiE. After further moves, we've got a decent whack of cap.

 

The CBJ GM(Hannikainnamannan?) whatever his handle, calls. They've got the major hots for EP.

 

For EP & Stech, they offer...

 

Seth Jones & PLD.

 

Personally, don't think I would. EP is our golden kid, absolute beaut. But can't deny, I really like these 2 great Jackets players, thus figured it's a fair question. Kinda curious how highly everyone values our Swedish star, so would like to see replies. Pls don JB's hat for this astonishing ph call...

 

No tweaks..& NO!, I don't want to deal our star(for any reading-impaired). I hope EP stays his career in Van!

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I'm afraid it's one of Seth Jones or PLD that EP would fetch Nux. Cheers for attempting the GM name :lol:

 

I wouldn't do 1 for 1 though. EP > PLD and if you deal EP for Jones then you're just creating a black hole for 1C. We have plenty of dmen that can supplement Hughes' ability. No need to go out and trade for one.

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From all reports It’s very unlikely there will be a compliance buyout. 
 

Pettersson is a phenomenal young player.  But there’s no way in hell Columbus makes that trade.  

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Not a chance. EP is special, and we've got Hughes. We're better off continuing to build up support for very special c and d we've already drafted. 

 

We've seen what EP can do here and had a taste of what Hughes is capable of. There's no guarantee PLD and Jones would take off here.

 

I understand that combined they may have more value than EP, but sometimes it's better to stick with the devil you know. It's incredibly difficult to find a 1c in this league, and we've got one. Why squander that. 

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And yes, I'm fully aware PLD has had a stellar first three seasons. Doesn't change the fact that I'm all in with EP. 

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Kekalainen...nammannan is one of the savviest GM's when he stole Jones for Johansen and formed one of the best D-pairs (Jones and Werenski).
If trading Pete and Stecher (an RFA) was what it took to get back a gritty 50 point center and one of the best right side D, I'm afraid I'd have to say yes, drive Pete to the airport myself and personally thank him for what he's done for the team thus far, but yup he'd be going.  

PS. you can wake up from your whatever-induced psychadelic pipe-dream now.

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This will be used for whenever one of our young stars or top prospects are used in proposals

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10 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Hypothetical scenario: league grants a buyout per team. Bye LouiE. After further moves, we've got a decent whack of cap.

 

The CBJ GM(Hannikainnamannan?) whatever his handle, calls. They've got the major hots for EP.

 

For EP & Stech, they offer...

 

Seth Jones & PLD.

 

Personally, don't think I would. EP is our golden kid, absolute beaut. But can't deny, I really like these 2 great Jackets players, thus figured it's a fair question. Kinda curious how highly everyone values our Swedish star, so would like to see replies. Pls don JB's hat for this astonishing ph call...

 

No tweaks..& NO!, I don't want to deal our star(for any reading-impaired). I hope EP stays his career in Van!

So I would never make that move because top super star centre are not easy to find at 21 years old...

Centre position is locked up 1. Pettersson 21  -  2. Horvat 25  - 3. Gaudette 23 - So exciting to have these 3 guys 4th lines we can plug...

 

Wingers are where we trade for that # 2 D man--- Wing is depth position on Vancouver and we must trade one of these guys to get a top #3 D man this summer.. We know fee agents UFA will demand too much money..

Wingers - 1. Miller 2. Taffoli 3. Boeser  4. Pearson 5. Virtanen 6. Ferland 7. Leivo 8. MacEwen  9. Motte  10. Podkolzin 11. Lind  12 Hoglander...

 

D men --1.Edler 34  - 2. Hughes  3. Myers  4. (Tanev 31 UFA - don't resign ) 5 Sttcher 6.Benn  7.Fantenberg 29  UFA ???-- 8. Rafferty, Briesbois, Juoleve 21, Rathbone, Woo

 

Goal solid - Markstrom - Demko - Dipietro  --

 

So we trade a winger either Boeser or Virtanen for Ristolainen 25, 6'4 - 24-26 min per game #2  Dman  5.5 million..

We don't resign Tanev for 4.5 million and we are trading a winger off roster. Boeser will get the  best return out of the wingers..

We only trade Boeser if we can resign Taffoli  4 yrs X 4.9 million 

 

Only a few players not to trade-----1. Pettersson 21 - superstar   Top 20 NHL player for many years to come , so exciting....                                                        2. Hughes 20 - Superstar  D man that is already the best D man Vancover has ever seen.. You just hold on we have another 10 years of Hughes thrilling us with his moves... 

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1 hour ago, wildcam said:

So I would never make that move because top super star centre are not easy to find at 21 years old...

Centre position is locked up 1. Pettersson 21  -  2. Horvat 25  - 3. Gaudette 23 - So exciting to have these 3 guys 4th lines we can plug...

 

Wingers are where we trade for that # 2 D man--- Wing is depth position on Vancouver and we must trade one of these guys to get a top #3 D man this summer.. We know fee agents UFA will demand too much money..

Wingers - 1. Miller 2. Taffoli 3. Boeser  4. Pearson 5. Virtanen 6. Ferland 7. Leivo 8. MacEwen  9. Motte  10. Podkolzin 11. Lind  12 Hoglander...

 

D men --1.Edler 34  - 2. Hughes  3. Myers  4. (Tanev 31 UFA - don't resign ) 5 Sttcher 6.Benn  7.Fantenberg 29  UFA ???-- 8. Rafferty, Briesbois, Juoleve 21, Rathbone, Woo

 

Goal solid - Markstrom - Demko - Dipietro  --

 

So we trade a winger either Boeser or Virtanen for Ristolainen 25, 6'4 - 24-26 min per game #2  Dman  5.5 million..

We don't resign Tanev for 4.5 million and we are trading a winger off roster. Boeser will get the  best return out of the wingers..

We only trade Boeser if we can resign Taffoli  4 yrs X 4.9 million 

 

Only a few players not to trade-----1. Pettersson 21 - superstar   Top 20 NHL player for many years to come , so exciting....                                                        2. Hughes 20 - Superstar  D man that is already the best D man Vancover has ever seen.. You just hold on we have another 10 years of Hughes thrilling us with his moves... 

then i'm all for signing toffoli for 4 years at 4.95 million

so we can keep (not trade) brock

 

 

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12 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I would take it in a heart beat

Taking emotion out of it? Of course. I think people might not realize how good PLD already is, not to mention the Canucks coveted PLD at the 2016 draft. 

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I say no because of chemistry. Pettersson is a great fit on this team, and there's no guarantee PLD is going to come here and fit the #1 role.

 

It is very tempting because we get 2 elite d-men on our team, but I get Nashville vibes from that sort of team.

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EP > PLD by quite some margin. You don't trade an elite 1C unless you get equal value back and judging by the old motto of "the team that gets the best player in a trade wins it" that's not the case here. You can't sum up all parts in a trade and score it from total value, hockey's not as simple as that. If it was, please give me PLD *or* Jones for Stecher, Virtanen and Pearson instead ;-)

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22 hours ago, coastal.view said:

then i'm all for signing toffoli for 4 years at 4.95 million

so we can keep (not trade) brock

 

 

Can't keep everyone? Have to make a hockey trade for a top #@ D man like Risto 26 years old 6'4 from Buffalo..

Hughes  20 - Risto 26

Edler 34 - Myers 30

Stetcher 26 --  Rafferty 25 -- Benn 33 - Briesbois 22 , Juolevi 22

UFA - Tanev 31 Decemberr - This warrior had some serious injuries and as good as he is time to move away and get some younger healthier guys..

Have to trade good asset to get this type of D man -- Wingers depth position Boeser or Virtanen would have to be moved to acquire this player..

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On 6/24/2020 at 1:37 AM, Coconuts said:

Not a chance. EP is special, and we've got Hughes. We're better off continuing to build up support for very special c and d we've already drafted. 

 

We've seen what EP can do here and had a taste of what Hughes is capable of. There's no guarantee PLD and Jones would take off here.

 

I understand that combined they may have more value than EP, but sometimes it's better to stick with the devil you know. It's incredibly difficult to find a 1c in this league, and we've got one. Why squander that. 

As of right now Jones has more value the EP by himself.   It’s also possible with his intangibles and ability to work with both stars and just ok players that PLD = EP right now too.   EP has a bigger upside that’s for sure but PLD is a great young center to work with as well. We’d take this deal in a heartbeat (both Jones and PLD).   On a one for one deal Columbus wouldn’t have to add much to get EP for PLD...one year older ... and has upside himself too.   I wouldn’t do that deal but I also would be happy to listen to it depending on what the add was.   Would do Werenksi and PLD for EP and Stetcher too. 

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On 6/24/2020 at 1:51 PM, Toews said:

Taking emotion out of it? Of course. I think people might not realize how good PLD already is, not to mention the Canucks coveted PLD at the 2016 draft. 

Yep.   I was sick to my stomach when he was picked before our turn - given what Benning has been saying about the draft I was certain he was our first choice if available... then MT a higher ranked guy fell on our lap and we went for 9-16th ranked OJ, over Sergechev and Chychrun who at one point (the year before) was ranked 1-2 overall I was stunned.     PLD doesn’t have the same upside as far as offensive production goes - but as far as hockey goes is a much more complete player then EP is right now by a fair margin.     Not saying he’s better / but he’s got star written all over him and as he ages  could  be a Swiss Army knife type for sure.   Selke/PK/Type producer.  He’s only a year older and has worked his way up their lineup for a hardass coach (doesn’t miss games and scored 20 goals and 48 points as a middle six center his rookie year ... pretty darn good).  . It’s a ridiculous trade (for Seth Jones too).  Not sure what a fair trade would look like - but it wouldn’t be as big as some fans think for EP for PLD...

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On 6/25/2020 at 11:24 AM, wildcam said:

Can't keep everyone? Have to make a hockey trade for a top #@ D man like Risto 26 years old 6'4 from Buffalo..

Hughes  20 - Risto 26

Edler 34 - Myers 30

Stetcher 26 --  Rafferty 25 -- Benn 33 - Briesbois 22 , Juolevi 22

UFA - Tanev 31 Decemberr - This warrior had some serious injuries and as good as he is time to move away and get some younger healthier guys..

Have to trade good asset to get this type of D man -- Wingers depth position Boeser or Virtanen would have to be moved to acquire this player..

Risto is awful in his own end.   Rather just keep signing Tanev ... Markstrom doesn’t need more shots on net.  I get the age think and Risto should get better - but not sure the added cost would be worth it.   Think Vancouver has to depend on an internal improvement as Tanev ages - maybe Tree, or Rafferty or Woo or whomever.   Timing isn’t quite right yet for a guy like Risto - especially when you consider what we’d have to pay to get him.  Tanev is just cap space.

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