Why not just clear Loui’s contract by attaching a 1st like the Leafs did?

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Heffy I appreciate your enthusiasm- but any team or players that called or thought of another player on their team as trash isn’t playing in the NHL.    Think about it for a minute. If it was 1994 and the cap didn’t matter wouldn’t we be glad to have a veteran guy like him on our team playing up and down the lineup but because of our current depth relegated to the fourth line?  Absolutely we would.  And in fact we kind of did in Ryan Walter.   Former Captain of the Habs - loads of experience but near the end of his road and anchored our fourth line.    Is Beagle much better?  Or Motte?  Hmmm.   Food for thought.   It is what it is, yes in the cap universe he’s probably not worth more then 2.5 million right now.    We ice him and the team is likely better the McEwen or Lind right now.  You can bet TG will make the decision to demote him only if he feels we are better without him.  

MacEwen ,Lind, Motte, and Beagle are all better players on the ice and don't have LE's character issues.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

MacEwen ,Lind, Motte, and Beagle are all better players on the ice and don't have LE's character issues.

Good thing we aren’t the coach - if we sign both TT and JV I think next season will likely be his last...

[GhostsOf1994]

On 7/18/2020 at 11:38 AM, gurn said:

Yes he has a choice, all he has to do is put PK's team on his list of 15 teams he refuses to be traded to.

Then he's sent to the AHL, louie's choice is New Jersey or Utica.

[HorvatToBaertschi]

On 7/17/2020 at 8:05 PM, GhostsOf1994 said:

Bear was almost traded this year, the other team wanted retention, GMJB said no.

 

Bear keeping himself out only damages his chances at an nhl gig next year, whether or not its in Van.

 

You seemed to have missed the point of Sutter being swapped for a similar contract, for say a D man.

 

Just an example

Sutter 

Eriksson

For

P.k. subban 

 

Not so hard to grasp? 10.5 cap out, 9 million in.

 

L.E. wouldn't have a choice, AHL riding the bus in Utica or accept a trade to whatever team will take him, voila!

 

TT, Tanev and Marky will be signed. All 3 want to be here and with covid and the cap not increasing its more likely then not all 3 take shorter term deals.

 

Rooster ain't going anywhere, he's the current version of honey badger. Unless a team makes an offer of say a 2nd or prospect.

 

You win cups with players like rooster, beagle, ferkie.

 

You want fantasy? I got a private shoebox side show if that's your thing...

 

Getting Subban means Tanev becomes expendable. Sure, PK is much more known for his incredibly offensive skills, but the guy is solid in his own zone, is incredibly physical and can retrieve the puck and break it out as fast if not faster than a lot of dmen in the league. That's a total of close to 4 mil saved if we chose to go that route. I'd be all for it.

[GhostsOf1994]

10 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Getting Subban means Tanev becomes expendable. Sure, PK is much more known for his incredibly offensive skills, but the guy is solid in his own zone, is incredibly physical and can retrieve the puck and break it out as fast if not faster than a lot of dmen in the league. That's a total of close to 4 mil saved if we chose to go that route. I'd be all for it.

The main issue I'd have with a potential p.k. subban acquisition is that the right side D becomes much more offensively inclined.

 

Hughes Myers 

Edler Rafferty?

Benn Subban?

OJ 

 

 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

39 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

The main issue I'd have with a potential p.k. subban acquisition is that the right side D becomes much more offensively inclined.

 

Hughes Myers 

Edler Rafferty?

Benn Subban?

OJ 

 

 

Just think of the 2nd PP unit and drool. Subban is responsible in his own end.

[GhostsOf1994]

Brock Miller Petey

           Horvat

          Hughes

 

Toffoli Gaudette Pearson

   P.K. Rafferty/Virtanen

 

 

Sploosh

[Cup2022]

Canucks have no cap problem 17 million in cap room next year just don't sign Marky or tanev covid changes the plans for every one try being Toronto 4 million with 7 free agents

[King Heffy]

11 minutes ago, Cup2022 said:

Canucks have no cap problem 17 million in cap room next year just don't sign Marky or tanev covid changes the plans for every one try being Toronto 4 million with 7 free agents

So  you're advocating making Demko the starter in front of a defense as bad as Toronto's?  Better hope we beat Minnesota because that draft pick is going to be in the top 5.

Edited July 24, 2020 by King Heffy

[CanucksJay]

On 7/15/2020 at 9:58 PM, King Heffy said:

Most free agents worth signing would appreciate the team icing the most competitive lineup they can.  The only guys who would balk at signing because of that are lazy floaters who can't handle the coach benching them when they're playing like complete garbage.  We can live without those players.  Any actual NHL player has seen LE's pitiful excuse for effort and would completely understand why a team wouldn't want to waste ice time on that useless piece of trash.  LE should consider himself lucky if another NHL team is stupid enough to let him disgrace their uniform.

Woah put down the angry sandwich 

[wai_lai416]

On 7/18/2020 at 11:23 AM, IBatch said:

So not to pick on you - but another post you laid out your thoughts pretty well on that JB time is up and should be fired...yet here you are protecting his worst move.   A little ironic don’t you think?   
 

And yes I agree with this post well done. He shouldn’t be replaced unless someone else bumps him out. McEwen has promise and for sure Lind does too...not to mention Podz.  The clock is definitely ticking on LE and whether or not he loses his job and is sent down.  Last year Ladd went through the same thing in NYI and of course JB has already done this a few times with Bear and Gagne (and little blow-back both times it made a lot of sense).   TG ultimately has the most input.  Currently LE is playing to stay - like a possessed man.    Nothing could be better for the club then if he can earn more of his pay-cheque.   If and when he can’t not a big deal.   

I'm not defending his worse move, but it's counter productive to the team to be crying like a lot of ppl on cdc doing whatever they can to bench and sit eriksson and play a inferior defensive skill prospect just for the sake of trying to make life miserable for eriksson? well i don't even think it's miserable collecting his paycheque not having to do anything. chances there won't even be an AHL season next year lol.

[IBatch]

4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

I'm not defending his worse move, but it's counter productive to the team to be crying like a lot of ppl on cdc doing whatever they can to bench and sit eriksson and play a inferior defensive skill prospect just for the sake of trying to make life miserable for eriksson? well i don't even think it's miserable collecting his paycheque not having to do anything. chances there won't even be an AHL season next year lol.

Gotcha.   I don’t think LE should be moved down or sent down or whatever either unless someone can push him out.  Might as well play him - but do get where those folks are coming from too.  Chances are higher he’d consider retirement playing in the AHL...if there was no AHL season then I guess he’d get his cake and eat it sitting at home in Sweden or wherever.    Hopefully he plays well for us until he’s done - that’s about the best we can realistically expect.     Our fourth line is monster ... Sutter Beagle LE or McEwen or whomever, that is for sure.  
 

Team needs to go deep this year - that isn’t outside the realm of possibility - the deeper it goes the easier it would be to trade Beagle, Roussel or Sutter without it becoming a cap dump scenario.  It’s possible we play with a shortened bench next year too.   Wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened in the NHL and we aren’t the only team in cap trouble over the next year or two.  

[Cup2022]

21 hours ago, King Heffy said:

So  you're advocating making Demko the starter in front of a defense as bad as Toronto's?  Better hope we beat Minnesota because that draft pick is going to be in the top 5.

Our d is not as bad as Toronto they are about to lose two of there top four and have no money to spend on replacements

[King Heffy]

10 minutes ago, Cup2022 said:

Our d is not as bad as Toronto they are about to lose two of there top four and have no money to spend on replacements

Barire is addition by subtraction though, and they have a proven starter.  Despite their only legit NHLer being Muzzin, he's still a reliable shutdown guy.  Our best defensive defenseman other than Tanev is Edler.   I like Edler, but it's asking too much of him.

[Ray_Cathode]

On 7/14/2020 at 5:03 PM, Maniwaki Canuck said:

Let him get his bonus then get him to retire and be hired on as an extremely expensive scout for a couple of years to make up the foregone money . 

Yep, we could send him to the Vatican to scout for a wing and a prayer - we’ll need them to survive cap hell.

 

[wai_lai416]

On 7/19/2020 at 9:10 PM, GhostsOf1994 said:

Then he's sent to the AHL, louie's choice is New Jersey or Utica.

lol he won't be going to utica. he'll just sit at home with his feet up laughing collecting his paycheque. with the pandemic in full swing and no signs of getting better in us? chances are there won't even be an AHL season next year at the current rate. Again what does sending him to the minor and replacing him with a inferior bottom 6 player do again? he's a far better defensive/PK options than any one of the prospect and it's not even close. 

[RWMc1]

Are the people advocating for this also the ones that hate Benning? If he does attach a 1st, then they can add more to the cost of Toffoli. If it comes down to it, we'll bite the bullet and let Toffoli walk rather than throw away a 1st.

 

I still think a deal can be made. Everyone cites Loui's 6 million cap hit but omit that he's only owed 1 million for next season. With revenues dropping, that could be a good selling point. He's better than the popularity contest fans will admit. He is a good defensive player (after Dorsett retired, he was our best option to take over on our match up line. He went down to 38% then 35.5 % O-zone starts over the past few seasons.) ; he can move up and down the line up; he can play on pk or pp; he's veteran with Playoff experience. If we could retain salary, then he would be even more attractive to a team with some cap and a need for a veteran defensive forward who can chip in a little.

 

Benning also structured the contracts' ntcs so that he would have options as to who he can trade in the coming off-season. The worst case would be letting Toffoli walk, but all other options will be explored first.

[King Heffy]

On 7/25/2020 at 6:04 AM, wai_lai416 said:

lol he won't be going to utica. he'll just sit at home with his feet up laughing collecting his paycheque. with the pandemic in full swing and no signs of getting better in us? chances are there won't even be an AHL season next year at the current rate. Again what does sending him to the minor and replacing him with a inferior bottom 6 player do again? he's a far better defensive/PK options than any one of the prospect and it's not even close. 

If he doesn't report to Utica then you suspend him without pay.  Basically anyone on the Comets is a better player than a useless piece of garbage like LE.  Even today, we cut a guy who has a chance of becoming an NHLer to allow our $6 million floater to waste a roster spot.  LE has neither the talent nor the work effort to justify an NHL job.

[GhostsOf1994]

On 7/25/2020 at 6:04 AM, wai_lai416 said:

lol he won't be going to utica. he'll just sit at home with his feet up laughing collecting his paycheque. with the pandemic in full swing and no signs of getting better in us? chances are there won't even be an AHL season next year at the current rate. Again what does sending him to the minor and replacing him with a inferior bottom 6 player do again? he's a far better defensive/PK options than any one of the prospect and it's not even close. 

Miller Pettersson Boeser 

Pearson Horvat Toffoli 

Ferland Gaudette Virtanen 

Roussell Beagle Macewan 

Sutter Motte Leivo

 

ERIKSSON papered or whatever to Utica.

15 forwards not counting Eriksson.

[RWMc1]

56 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

Miller Pettersson Boeser 

Pearson Horvat Toffoli 

Ferland Gaudette Virtanen 

Roussell Beagle Macewan 

Sutter Motte Leivo

 

ERIKSSON papered or whatever to Utica.

15 forwards not counting Eriksson.

We only save 1 million of cap doing that. That's why the tough decisions are left to Benning and his staff.