Green is afraid to use the backup goalie

[Nuxfanabroad]

On 9/1/2020 at 1:02 PM, oldnews said:

It's called fishbowl hindsighting.

...but then other times it's prescient forecasting.

[oldnews]

6 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

...but then other times it's prescient forecasting.

no, it's armchair projection wadr.

and delusion.

 

none of you can speak to Green's 'fear'.

he, on the other hand, knows what he's doing, and why he's doing it.

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

no, it's armchair projection wadr.

and delusion.

 

none of you can speak to Green's 'fear'.

he, on the other hand, knows what he's doing, and why he's doing it.

 

 

Thanks for the reply, & I like Green. But he dropped the ball here. Have a gander at pg1 of that 5-in-7 thread. Some of us dealt him some free advice..whoopsadaisy..it went unheeded!

 

Question: what woulda' happened if some of those 5-in-7's went to lengthy OT's? We woulda had sudden heart conditions at the EDM ICU(cue TG a day later: "Yeah, we decided to insert a new face here...")

[oldnews]

Just now, Nuxfanabroad said:

Thanks for the reply, & I like Green. But he dropped the ball here. Have a gander at pg1 of that 5-in-7 thread. Some of us dealt him some free advice..whoopsadaisy..it went unheeded!

 

Question: what woulda' happened if some of those 5-in-7's went to lengthy OT's? We woulda had sudden heart conditions at the EDM ICU(cue TG a day later: "Yeah, we decided to insert a new face here...")

are you talking about your comical ideas of inserting literally every 17th/18th forward - all the AHLers - into the lineup.

 

er, looksy, it never happeneded, becausez, literallleeeez no NHeler coachers everrr ressorrrttt to that willingleeessss.....but it allz wooda werked, cuz Nuxfan suggesttttedd that the anserrs were to play every black ace availubull.

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 minute ago, oldnews said:

are you talking about your comical ideas of inserting literally every 17th/18th forward - all the AHLers - into the lineup.

 

er, looksy, it never happeneded, becausez, literallleeeez no NHeler coachers everrr ressorrrttt to that willingleeessss.....but it allz wooda werked, cuz Nuxfan suggesttttedd that the anserrs were to play every black ace availubull.

Thanks for the reply. As I'd told you a coupla' days back, you need more faith in the depth fwds JB has signed. He has a better eye for talent than most are willing to accept. We needn't attach random numbers for forwards waiting(endlessly, unfortunately) for their never arriving chance.

[-DLC-]

On 8/31/2020 at 8:29 PM, snucks said:

Green should have rested Markstrum  in game 4. He seems reluctant to put Demko in even when Markstrum is tired or a little off. Its called adapting to game sitautions and its called coaching. But Vigneau wasn't great at adapting to game situations either.

Who's Markstrum?  And Vigneau?

 

Green's just fine....he knows the players and their current situations/mindsets/health, etc.  We don't.  Didn't.

 

Marky was at the stage that you HAVE to factor in what he says/feels....you run with him until there's CLEAR reason not to.  Green did that.

[oldnews]

1 minute ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Thanks for the reply. As I'd told you a coupla' days back, you need more faith in the depth fwds JB has signed. He has a better eye for talent than most are willing to accept. We needn't attach random numbers for forwards waiting(endlessly, unfortunately) for their never arriving chance.

thanks for the entertainment.

 

feel free to post your genius, predictive, final 4 lineup full of fresh substitutes, ready to step into the 3rd round of the playoffs after 4 months without any game action - that woulda/shoulda/coulda taken the team further.  

 

actually, nevermind.  no pretentious, unproveable hindsight dream could ever 'prove' the "lesson" you are hoping to - nor does reasoning against that delusion seem a worthwhile expenditure of time.

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

thanks for the entertainment.

 

feel free to post your genius, predictive, final 4 lineup full of fresh substitutes, ready to step into the 3rd round of the playoffs after 4 months without any game action - that woulda/shoulda/coulda taken the team further.  

 

actually, nevermind.  no pretentious, unproveable hindsight dream could ever 'prove' the "lesson" you are hoping to - nor does reasoning against that delusion seem a worthwhile expenditure of time.

 

 

Heading out for a lengthy bike & run today..but thank you Old News for the inspiring encouragement :^)

Have a fine day Ol' Chappy!

[-DLC-]

I might add that...I'm pretty sure our guys exceeded expectations and found the success they did BECAUSE (at least in part) of Green, not in spite of him.

 

Can't please all the people all the time...but that's not his job.  His job is to help the team find success above and beyond all else.  I feel he's doing a great job of that.

[Nuxfanabroad]

2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I might add that...I'm pretty sure our guys exceeded expectations and found the success they did BECAUSE (at least in part) of Green, not in spite of him.

 

Can't please all the people all the time...but that's not his job.  His job is to help the team find success above and beyond all else.  I feel he's doing a great job of that.

Mostly agree, Deb. I'm very proud of all the players. I also think Green's a good young coach. I'm optimistic about their future.

 

Unfortunately I strongly feel he should've taken a different approach(roster) when it was 5-in-7 after two hard-fought series, beforehand. That's just stating(before, during & afterwards) my honest opinion.

[-DLC-]

6 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Mostly agree, Deb. I'm very proud of all the players. I also think Green's a good young coach. I'm optimistic about their future.

 

Unfortunately I strongly feel he should've taken a different approach(roster) when it was 5-in-7 after two hard-fought series, beforehand. That's just stating(before, during & afterwards) my honest opinion.

It's a flip of the coin though.  Do you allow the guys who are hot (in relation to how far they were getting) and seemingly have it figured out to date or do you slide new guys in to take over and hope they can (too)?  I'm sure a bit of an "are you ok to go?" took place.

 

Sort of a devil/hero you know/don't know deal.  If we'd won (and we almost did), would we still be second guessing that? 

[Nuxfanabroad]

7 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's a flip of the coin though.  Do you allow the guys who are hot (in relation to how far they were getting) and seemingly have it figured out to date or do you slide new guys in to take over and hope they can (too)?  I'm sure a bit of an "are you ok to go?" took place.

 

Sort of a devil/hero you know/don't know deal.  If we'd won (and we almost did), would we still be second guessing that? 

With the unprecedented sched, I felt there was a moment here where the coaches had to treat this differently. Come up with a list(say 4-6 names) & simply TELL these guys, you'll all have to sit 1 game. We anticipate this series going deep, & we need to insert fresh legs wherever we can. Maybe it's old-school, but felt it needed to be coaching-assertion, as opposed to (for lack of better term) 'new age' consultations.

 

& did it really matter whether we fell in 5, 6 or 7? You can ponder this in retrospect(knowing what transpired) but I really don't think it did. We went further than any Cdn rival. It literally was facing the rigged league's Casino, with our house rubles. When you're sitting in that chair, it's my opinion you make bold manoeuvres. Should it pay off early, even MORE pressure swings to the favoured side.

[Johnny Torts]

MaRkStrUm and ViGNeAu

[DIBdaQUIB]

On 8/31/2020 at 8:39 PM, drummerboy said:

MarkstrUm wasn’t the only issue.  
Also, a MarkstrUm at 80% is better than a Demko who hasn’t seen a game in months. 

Facts would appear to have  proven you wrong.  A rusty Demko was better than marky was when he waa 100%.

[kloubek]

You had me at "Markstrum".

 

[oldnews]

for all the talk of woulda/coulda/shoulda done this or that with the lineup, and we 'woulda' gone to the final 4.....

 

well one Boeser snipe on that rush in game 7 / one less look what I found robbery by Lehner.....and Green is a genius.

 

Btw - Green is a genius regardless.

 

The team was limping like crazy - lost their MVP - lost numerous hard to play against forwards (Ferland, Leivo) - had to move Miller from center (where he dominates, particularly in the faceoff circle, hobbling Toffoli who could barely skate, Boeser's wrist appearing to prevent him from being his lethal self, Sutter off to the wing, Myers playing "with one arm", (and possibly others) gutting it out.  They were just too tired and overmatched under the circumstances, and nevertheless 'almost' pulled it off.  How many AHL substitutes were they supposed to have - how many guys that have never played an NHL playoff game and hadn't played in months, were they 'supposed' to throw into the lineup?  Seriously - these are petty, annoying, pie in the sky criticisms of Green, with all due respect.

[D.B Cooper]

21 hours ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Facts would appear to have  proven you wrong.  A rusty Demko was better than marky was when he waa 100%.

Hey there mr hindsight.  
3 great games <<< sub par season.  
3 games doesn’t make you better than an all star in any world.  Not even in neverland, Petar Pan.  

[Nuxfanabroad]

Would imagine the Magical DeLorean doesn't have a rear view mirror, eh? You either go BACK(& fix things up), or keep drivin' down life's Hwy...

 

Something tells me if Greener hopped into the DeLorean, he'd try things a TAD differently :^) just sayin'...

[86Viking]

On 8/31/2020 at 8:39 PM, drummerboy said:

MarkstrUm wasn’t the only issue.  
Also, a MarkstrUm at 80% is better than a Demko who hasn’t seen a game in months. 

Tough to say that, Marky being slightly hurt and playing could have caused a serious injury leading to NOT getting a big fat UFA payday. we shall see what he gets paid in the coming weeks.

 

There is no way to say what would have happened with a healthy Marky, but I would bet my house that there would have been NO way that Markstrom could have replicated the performance Demko gave the Canucks for Games 5,6 & 7.

 

Its meaningless now, season is over...but to see the #1 G play so much and TWICE in 1 season he gets hurt a crucial times you have to wonder why they didnt play Demko more. Heck, even the GM said you need to have 2 good G in the NHL now...well why didn't the Canucks do that this season then if the GM believes that to be the case does it squarely fall on the Coach for making the line up decisions?

 

Either way I am fine with keep Marky at a reasonable term and cap hit...I just think he has a good chance at getting more term or a NMC from another team compared to from the Canucks. But, Marky needs to be smart too... Fleury is trade bait to a lesser extent Lundquist is also. Lehner/Holtby are both very good UFA G also, so demand too much and Marky could make teams pass on him. Then you have the unsung career backup in his mid 30s Khudobin who is a UFA, will be cheaper and short term deal to get him.

 

There are lots of UFA G's who are decent, some are higher end #1s with a cup to their name and then there are some who are 1b G who won't require lots of term or big $ so it should be interesting to see how the UFA G market unfolds. See if any team tries to get their #1 target and trade a pick for early negotiation rights to said G

[Gawdzukes]

What a dense thread.