*Note: not a MG hater, just a fan who talks the truth*
We all know the Canucks take on more crap than any other team in the NHL when it comes to refs/calls,and it's shameful to see that the organization is one that plays it out like its not a big deal and that the players can overcome it. The truth however states otherwise and once the zebras on the ice are against you, there's very little to no chance you will win. It's been this teams fate since forever and again, it's shaming to see management does nothing and takes on this crap. Take a note: San Jose's whole management from top to bottom took action about Torres 'illegal hit', from GM to coaches to players. That's how you spark a team, by giving them the confidence that even management is willing to call out bs with them; it motivates players then too...heck, if your organization is one that is quiet, it's likely the players will be too.
San Jose Sharks general manager Doug Wilson said Friday that the organization strongly disagrees with the NHL's decision to suspend forward Raffi Torres for a hit that knocked out Los Angeles forward Jarret Stoll.
"It is abundantly clear that this was a clean hockey hit," Wilson said in a statement. "As noted by the NHL, Raffi's initial point of contact was a shoulder-to-shoulder hit on an opponent who was playing the puck. He did not leave his feet or elevate, he kept his shoulder tucked and elbow down at his side, and he was gliding — not skating or charging."
The NHL's Department of Player Safety sharply disagreed while suspending Torres on Thursday for the rest of the second-round series. It is the fourth career suspension for Torres, who is considered a repeat offender in dangerous hits under the league's collective bargaining agreement.
Stoll was bent forward while trying to play a bouncing puck when Torres approached him from the side for a violent hit in Game 1 on Tuesday night. Stoll's head snapped back violently before he fell forward onto the ice.
In an explanatory video released by Brendan Shanahan, the NHL's senior vice-president of player safety, he said Stoll's head was "the principal point of contact" in the hit, creating grounds for suspension. Although Torres initially made contact with Stoll's right shoulder, Shanahan ruled that the shoulder hit was only a glancing blow, as evidenced by the direction both players travelled after the contact.
Wilson said the head must be targeted to violate Rule 48.1 and there is no evidence that Torres targeted Stoll's head. Wilson also said Stoll put himself in a vulnerable position just before the hit to play a bouncing puck.
"It appears that the NHL has not only made an inappropriate application of this rule but is trying to make an example out of a player who is being judged on past events, one who has changed his game dramatically this season and taken only six minor penalties in 39 games," Wilson said.
While playing for Phoenix last season, Torres received a 21-game suspension — initially 25 games — for a high hit on Chicago star Marian Hossa in the first round of the playoffs. Torres was suspended for two games in January 2012 for charging Minnesota defenceman Nate Prosser, and he sat out four games in April 2011 for a hit to the head of Edmonton's Jordan Eberle while playing for Vancouver.
'It's a clean hit'
Stoll missed Game 2 of the series and there is no timetable for his return.
"It's a clean hit," Sharks forward Logan Couture said. "Unfortunately, the guy got injured. If they suspended guys for every time someone else got hurt, even if it's a clean hit, there would be a lot of suspensions in this league. And it's just not fair."[b/]
Wilson says Torres will not appeal the suspension because he does not want to be a distraction to the team. San Jose trails the series 2-0 heading into Game 3 at home on Saturday night.
Torres' teammates said they are using Torres' absence as inspiration.
[b]"It's the playoffs you always find something to rally," forward Scott Gomez said. "He's a great teammate and a great guy and we want him to play. He's tremendous in the room with the young guys. It's our job to get it to the next round so he can play."
That is the type of team and organization I want to proud to be a fan of, one that doesn't take abuse and isn't afraid to share it. These are just comments from the Torres suspension alone, you should see the ones they made about the penalty calls which led to LA winning last game. And don't give me any of that MG called out the Hawks in game 7 and AV called out the Sharks....our management is scared and calls them out too late. Point in case, AV and players call out after we're eliminated this year - what do they expect? To come back in game 9 and play some imaginary games? Call em out right away, and we're lucky we won game 7 against the Hawks too as dominant as we were that series....guys in the zebra shirts decide games and you better be ready to call them out.
Our management is scared to get a fine or two and will only do it at the last second when the series is over or before a game 7 when momentum has already shifted. Why I wouldn't mind seeing Ruff and Burke as coach and GM as unlikely as that seems, but they would sound off every night. Half their salary would be gone within the first month of the season and they still wouldn't care. That's what it's about; having management who can set an example for players, and good one at that like how San Jose has as much as you may despise them for they're antics they used against us.
After every bad game, bad playoff series or bad season there are always those over-reactive fans that spout off a long list of players and management that need to get traded or fired. I am often on the other side of that argument, but it’s hard to argue with those fans now, isn’t it? Is there anyone on the Canucks you’d be truly sad to see go? Maybe Burrows for his tireless work ethic and heart. Maybe Ryan Kesler if he can stay healthy. Maybe a few others, but the list is rather short. I even find myself indifferent about whether or not the Sedins stay or go after another underwhelming playoff performance.
The fact is this team is broken. It’s not a matter of plugging some holes and making some adjustments. Significant changes need to be made. We could make excuses last year with Daniel being injured and another President’s Trophy. The only excuse we can make this year is that the officiating seemed to always go against us, although that doesn’t account for a four game sweep (and besides, when are people not complaining about the officiating?). This group has peaked. Their time is over. It’s time to take this team in a new direction.
It appears I’m not the only one who thinks this way. Anyone watching games one and two in this series could see all the empty seats. This is the playoffs and there are empty seats? I have a friend who is a season ticket holder and he couldn’t sell his tickets for game 1 for even half their face value. He ended up giving them away. There was a time when Canucks fans put up with the ridiculous ticket prices because the product was so good. Not anymore though. As far as a lot of people are concerned the Canucks are no longer worth the price of admission.
Maybe management felt like they owed this group one more shot. Maybe that’s why the changes that needed to be made last offseason didn’t get made. I put up with it this season, even though I was admittedly unexcited about this team. I just knew how it would play out this year. Another division title against a week division, false hopes that they might have a shot and then an early playoff exit.
Honestly though, I don’t know if I can put up with it next season. If something isn’t done then I just feel it’s slap in my face along with all the other dedicated fans. If management thinks they can sell us the same broken product again next season and make us believe they actually have a shot at winning the cup they will be sorely mistaken. The apathy towards the Canucks this season is proof of that.
So what needs to be done? I’m not sure exactly, that’s why I’m not an NHL GM. I do think Vigneault needs to be let go, not because he’s a bad coach, but because it’s simply time for a change. I would be open to firing Gillis. I admire his willingness to make deals, something Burke and Nonis seemed unwilling to do at times, however, I have a hard time pointing to any deals he’s made over the last two years and calling them “good.” Most importantly though, we need to see some changes to the line-up.
What we need is another Luongo trade. I’m not talking about trading Luongo (although that will happen this offseason). I’m talking about another trade like the Luongo trade. That trade came at the tail end of the “West Coast Express” era. It was obvious that that core group had reached their peak, and Nonis recognized it and he made one of the best moves in Canucks history. It wasn’t just a great move because of the player we got back, but because it let the fans know that management was willing to make a change when things weren’t working right. It also got the fans excited after a pretty horrible season. No one cared that the team itself was somewhat average, or that they had Jan Bulis on their second line. We had Luongo now. That was exciting.
Just to clarify, I’m not asking management to pull off another miracle trade that brings us back a superstar player for someone clearly past his prime. Just a trade that shakes things up in a similar fashion to the Luongo trade. I want to be excited about the Canucks again. I want other people to be excited about the Canucks again. I appreciate everything this group has done for this city and all the great memories they have given us. I feel bad that they couldn’t win it all, because I know they played their hearts out. But it’s time to move on. I’m ready for the next era of Canucks hockey, and I’m hoping management is ready to give it to me.
Hey gang, long time no game day thread....But I am back and I will stay here until this series is over and we move onto the next one.
Now stop that lip trembling, dry your eyes and roll up your sleeves. This is gonna take some work. Luckily our guys can do that work, while we cheer them on until the final goal of the final game and we read who we meet up against next in the papers.
i can understand his confusion. I am punjabi and we do love any sport so for those of us in vancouver, hockey is the greatest thing going. My family had a good chuckle when CBC started broadcasting the games in punjabi as well i dont think it is a big deal.