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  1. Interesting that you bring up Couturier. I'll give you three guesses on where he started playing with the Flyers in his rookie season... An article from his rookie year, during the playoffs against Pittsburgh when he was matched up with Malkin: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl--philadelphia-flyers-rookie-sean-couturier-talks-like-a-teenager-and-plays-like-an-old-pro.html Sound familiar to what anyone's been describing here?
    4 points
  2. such a cute picture, how long have you guys been a lesbian couple?
    3 points
  3. Ok I think it might be kinda cheating though ...
    2 points
  4. @Plum, how is that an insult to Couturier? If Couturier can start with 4th line minutes a few months after he was drafted, why can't Horvat do the same over a year after his draft? Most (analysts included) thought that Couturier was bound for Drummondville for another year, rather than going directly to the NHL.
    2 points
  5. But that is my point. Couturier, and even better player/prospect in your own estimation, started on the 4th line and wasn't at all harmed by doing so. Yet you want to argue Horvat couldn't do so because it's somehow harmful to him. Do you not see the fault in your logic and how what we've been stating all along does make some sense as a possible way for Horvat to make the Canucks? We aren't trying to only develop him as a 3rd liner by doing so, much again the same as the Flyers aren't limiting Couturier. We aren't having him compete with Dorsett, since Dorsett plays right wing and Horvat's a left handed center. It's debatable whether or not he has less chance, just as much as it's debatable whether or not there's nothing left for him in junior, but that's not what we're arguing. And still, you're completely missing that point and want to try and defend that Horvat can't and won't ever start on the Canucks by playing on the 4th line (irrespective of competition or any additional minutes he may get). *sigh* I give up.
    2 points
  6. Where did I say that? Horvat certainly has the skillset that he could progress from being an 8 minute 4th liner to someone playing 14 minutes and doing so against tough competition. It'd be amazing if he gets to the point where he could shadow players like Perry, Hall, Thornton effectively for us in the West, but I'm not projecting that in his first year. You've been arguing against the point all along that Horvat can play 4th line minutes to start and would be able to get more minutes if he proves himself as an effective starting point for a rookie. You've also said his offensive development will suffer from this type of deployment. You even said his likely projection is a good 3rd line center, although that could be better or worse. Couturier started with 4th line minutes and earned more as the season went on and he proved himself. He worked on his offensive development still in that time and has done well since in that regard. His initial projection was a strong 3rd line center, and he has greater upside as well. These points are real world examples of the points we're arguing for Horvat, and is just one possible outcome of how he could stick with the big club. What we're not saying is definitely that Horvat will start like this and end up high in Calder voting, completely shutting down the top players in the league and producing offence at the same time. It's possible, just as much as starting him on the 3rd line might be too much, or that he might not gain anything from going back to junior.
    2 points
  7. It's always like this. Player X gets drafted. For the next 8-9 months, he's the second coming of Gretzky and can't do anything wrong. For the next year or so after that, Player X is a giant bust who will never amount to anything and is a giant plug. Finally, Player X makes it to the NHL and people finally shut up about calling him a bust. Happened with Hodgson, Grabner, Jensen, and likely will wind up the same way with Horvat.
    2 points
  8. Yeah just hope he can squeeze out a couple more games until Lulz is back
    1 point
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  10. When I played, getting hit by a bodycheck was mostly motivating .. what was hard to stand up to was a real physically strong player who tries to intimidate you 'in close' the whole game .. man, that is tiring and a lot more effective than trying to overhit and being out of position more often than not .. that is how Horvat plays .. he plays 'like a man', so to speak .. he plays a mature game already, and with the right linemates could be a great 2nd line center some day.
    1 point
  11. Crosby doesn't go around looking for hits, so who cares? Horvat is still tough as nails to play against. Before you shut me down by saying "Well Crosby is the best player in the world", the same argument could be made for other 3rd liners who have played the game. Players like Tomas Holmstrom and P.J Axelsson were never guys who ran around looking for hits, but they were hard working two-way players that made you work for it. Horvat not being a hitter DOES NOT MEAN that he will get injured out there. You must have been really opposed to O'Reilly cracking the Avs lineup as an 18 year old. The guy must be in a wheelchair by now...
    1 point
  12. Don't bother... Plum boxed himself into a corner, yet he's still trying to win an argument for the sake of winning an argument.
    1 point
  13. You make it sound like Horvat stays away from contact when his own coach nicknamed him "Ox" for being as "strong as an Ox". How do you display any amount of strength without being physical? For what it's worth Hockey's Future's has this to say about him in their scouting report: And Corey Pronman had this to say prior to the 2013 draft:
    1 point
  14. Cody Hodgson played 4C in the SCF against Boston, then moved up to 3C the next season. That also ruined his development right?
    1 point
  15. Using a credit card denominated in fiat currency artificially expands that currency's money supply, thus it's inflationary. Payment with bitcoin is payment in full, just like with gold or silver, with no lingering liabilities.
    1 point
  16. Just think of this: that's almost half the field and when it was first down, the Jets were in the Redzone..
    1 point
  17. I think everyone but Plum got the memo
    1 point
  18. Gaaaaaaah I love you a lot more when you're talking about just hockey People like Plum think that the 4th line is for plugs and goons filling roster spots, and that putting a top-10 pick there is completely out of the question. What he is too ignorant to see is that teams like the Hawks, Bruins and Kings are able to roll four lines that are able to contribute every night and do other things rather than just fight and fill cap-friendly roster spots. If Horvat makes the team, it's still going to be a hell of a mountain for him to climb. Plum wants Horvat to immediately be spoon fed 3rd line minutes because he finds it embarrassing that the team he cheers for would slot a top-10 pick into the gutter with Sestitio and Hordichuk. It's like he thinks it completely dishonours that prospect JUST BECAUSE of the position he was drafted. Horrible, just horrible Poor Horvat If players want spots, they have to earn them. We're not the Oilers. Plum is either a spoiled kid who is used to getting whatever he wants, or has no idea how a professional organization actually works.
    1 point
  19. actually its like 6 months and 9 days if we are going to get technical
    1 point
  20. Ok, it's a little funny, but people are talking about Jensen and Kassian in the McCann Talk thread, while we're now talking about McCann in the Horvat Talk thread.
    1 point
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