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13 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
OK so here's the only question I have to ask.
Why is it, that hundreds of thousands of scientists/medical professionals agree that the Covid vaccines are in fact safe to use as the literal billions of injections have shown, but that is NOT good enough for some who claimed it was not FDA approved, was "experimental" or was unknown by scientists who didn't know and thusly not safe to take for them
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Invermectin to these same people that is only NOW being used to look at potential mitigation of Covid symptoms without any knowledge of what ti will do to the human body over time or in the amounts people are using it is ok for them?
9 minutes ago, -DLC- said:Ha, I was just typing a very similar response.
Anyone that thinks invermectin is the only answer is stupid but their beliefs has nothing to do with me or what I posted.
Even if invermectin is FDA approved it would have a different function, vaccine would be used to prevent covid but should someone still end up in the hospital as some still do even when vaxxed, invermectin could be used to reduce the effects covid has on them.
One is offence, one is defence.
I would add though that anyone that would decline invermectin as prescribed from a doctor if it did get FDA approval would be just as stupid as someone not getting vaxxed that can get vaxxed.
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10 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
All of them at this point.
It's not about YOUR posts....how about you read and respond to OUR posts because they matter too. Time to answer questions, not keep asking them of others. Go figure it out if you aren't sure "why" people are reacting as they are to your posts. That's on you, not us.
Fine, let’s try this again.
Invermectin is in clinical trials as a COVID treatment.
6.8.1ClinicalTrials.gov
HelpNew Window119 itemsView More Rows & DetailsDownloadSORT BYDescendingDateCTIDTitlePhaseStatusDateNCT04726969 Efficacy and Safety of MOX/ALB Co-administration Phase 3 Active, not recruiting 2021-08-20 NCT04403555 Ivermectin as a Novel Therapy in COVID-19 Treatment Phase 2/Phase 3 Completed 2021-08-02 NCT04510194 Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 With Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine, and Metformin (COVID-19) Phase 2/Phase 3 Recruiting 2021-08-02 NCT04885530 ACTIV-6: COVID-19 Study of Repurposed Medications Phase 3 Recruiting 2021-07-27 NCT04668469 Efficacy and Safety of Ivermectin for Treatment and Prophylaxis of COVID-19 Pandemic N/A
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=Clinical-Trials -
Just now, -DLC- said:
Maybe go back and actually read some of it.
I'm not buying in. But don't play games in a deadly serious topic. If you don't understand maybe read instead of constantly replying on a rinse repeat cycle? Usually if you don't understand something you don't respond....you go back and try to digest it in order to do so.
My original post stated 2 facts, that all, no recommendation to not get vaxxed, didn’t say it should replace the vax, yet everyone wanted to read some antivax conspiracy into my post. Again, what did I post that you are taking such offence to?
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5 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
Quit playing games. This "show me where I said that" one in particular that avoids posts with facts and science that you can't respond to and uses one liners to throw the ball back into our court instead of addressing them with a valid comeback.
Exactly what facts and science am I disagreeing with? I don’t understand what you’re arguing with me against or for.
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Just now, -DLC- said:
Facts:
Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin
- FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
- Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
- If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.
- Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.
What is Ivermectin and How is it Used?
Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea.
Some forms of ivermectin are used in animals to prevent heartworm disease and certain internal and external parasites. It’s important to note that these products are different from the ones for people, and safe when used as prescribed for animals, only.
Yes, I know that, what part of my post do you disagree with?
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9 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:
If this is the case, then the only people who should be getting it for treatment of Covid-19 are those individuals participating in clinical trials. Anyone else should wait. And everyone who can should get vaccinated in order to reduce the number of people who would need treatment.
Ounce of prevention = vaccine
Pound of cure = treatments.
Again, until the clinical trials are completed, the effectiveness is purely anecdotal. Advocating for its use outside of the clinical trials is actually against accepted science.
Show me where I advocated for its use, this whole thing started because I responded with two thingsto the memes that invermectin is horse medicine, I stated it is also used by humans for parasites and that there clinical trial ongoing for its effects on covid, that’s all.
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1 minute ago, Warhippy said:
Fact:
People are NOT getting prescriptions for human use invermectin which has proven to be minimally effective at BEST treating covid symptoms, they are in fact using LIVESTOCK GRADE invermectin which is poisoning them.
Opinion: Trying to suggest that somehow the people using LIVESTOCK grade Invermectin are somehow just doing what's best for them and are using sound medical science is not only stupid it's absolutely dangerous
Please explain where you have indicated and clearly pointed out that there IS in fact a difference between the two
Difference between what, invermectin used for people and horses? Same medicine, different doses. Please show me where I even recommended anyone taking it?
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2 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
No it's not that mentality...you don't speak for the group, you speak for you. Seems to me that's more the anti vax spin anyway ("good/bad").
What many of us think is that we should do EVERYTHING we can, including being vaccinated, to combat this thing. And those not doing the things advised by experts are creating an issue. It's a fact and science, not a "mentality".
Here, read some of this:
Here's some of it (it's a long read)
Please show me where I stated one should not get vaxxed or replace the vaccine with invermectin?
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18 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:
Vax is good because the data is validating that assessment.
If something is shown to be effective from a clinical perspective, then it will be utilized.
Show us a clinical study that demonstrates Invermectin is an effective treatment for Covid-19. It is foolhardy to start medicating people without some clinical trials. It would be like putting vaccines in arms of the general public without conducting phase 2/3 trials. Even with those trials, there were many in the Invermectin crowd who were claiming the vaccines weren't tested.
That is the difference. You are dead wrong.
Fact: invermectin is used in humans and has been for 40 years.
Fact: invermectin is in clinical trials for potentially reducing the effects of covid symptoms.
Opininion: if approved, having invermectin or any other approved medication to reduce the effects should someone contract covid is a good thing.
Please explain what you don’t agree with because that’s all I’ve been stating.
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Just now, zapperman said:
Where did I suggest that?? My post specifically suggests people aren’t against trying to find ways to treat it. But it’s preferable to treat only 20 vs treating 100. It’s just prioritizing. Prevention first, treatment second. Not saying you can’t or shouldn’t do both.
Sorry, misread it, just seems the group mentality is vax good, anything else bad regardless of what science proves.
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5 minutes ago, zapperman said:
I think the frustration is just the mentality of trying to treat the symptoms rather than the cause. I don’t think anyone is really against trying to find ways to treat Covid, but if you can reduce the case count by 80% through prevention, it does make a little sense. Especially when it is so easily achieavable, scientifically proven and the real world data supports it. When you have a bad section of Highway that results in 100 deaths per year, you don’t solve the problem by building a hospital there or have emergency response there on standby to pick up the bodies - you look at what’s causing it and fix the problem.
Even vaxxed people are ending up in the hospital with severe symptom, are you suggesting we shouldn’t also be finding a treatments for symptoms because a small portion of the population are dumb enough to self dose?
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2 minutes ago, JM_ said:
I'll avoid the ones with Mr. Ed on the label.
Hope you never need penicillin then.
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1 minute ago, JM_ said:
I'm implying horsey drugs are for horses.
This is actually where the right wing has taken us, that we need to clarify and discuss this as a thing.
Hey I heard about a new drug treatmenst for marmots and gerbils. You up for giving it a whirl? I mean mammals are mammals.
You might wanna look into how many drugs are used both in animals and humans, hope you don’t take any of them if you need them.
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1 minute ago, JM_ said:
yeah thats some good reasoning. Hey fentanyl works for pain, and Tylenol works for pain. Thats gotta. be a legit choice too, rite?
Are you implying they should stop testing invermectin for benefits in alleviating covid symptoms just because it’s also used in livestock? Make sure you pass that on to the 100s of millions that take it every year for other reasons.
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1 minute ago, JM_ said:
what other horsey drugs do people take?
I’m sure many drugs that are effective in animals are also effective in humans and vice versa, what’s your point or is it just a failed attempt at humour.
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I know it should be Ovechkin but I voted Bure, he was just so exciting to watch.
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Just now, RWMc1 said:
With known antiviral properties, ivermectin has been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 replication in laboratory studies. Small pilot studies show that early administration with ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19. Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission.
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In short: Up until now, we only have laboratory studies, first studies with humans have just started.
How can the conclusion be to use a drug where the first trials have just started and no real data for its effectiveness exist, over a vaccination that’s thoroughly tested and approved?
Firstly, no one suggested that, secondly even if it gets approved it will be used to treat symptoms for those that get covid and end up in the hospital, not to replace vaccinations.
Vaccines are used to prevent covid.
Ivermectin, if approved would be used to treat symptoms once someone becomes ill.
Big difference in purpose.
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Just now, zapperman said:
You’re totally missing the point. For many of the unvaxed , it is in fact one or the other. And the fact that they choose the other to avoid the one that is available now and works. I will gladly do whatever it takes once it has been shown to be effective. In the meantime I choose to keep my intestinal lining. I have an open mind. The 20% not so much.
People have been self medicating and dying long before covid and will continue long after, I was just pointing out for those that do their learning through memes that it is used in people already, and it is being studied for benefits against covid, never hurts to know the whole story.
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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:
You know when you die your body decomposes, right? Like Shakespeare wrote, “worms meat”. That’s when Ivermectin works. Saves on embalming costs.
250 million people would disagree with you.
Perhaps more than any other drug, ivermectin is a drug for the world’s poor. For most of this century, some 250 million people have been taking it annually to combat two of the world’s most devastating, disfiguring, debilitating and stigma-inducing diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis.
Registered for human use in 1987, ivermectin was immediately donated as Mectizan tablets to be used solely to control Onchocerciasis, a skin disfiguring and blinding disease caused by infection with the filarial worm Onchocerca volvulus, which afflicted millions of poor families throughout the tropics.
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9 minutes ago, zapperman said:
Meanwhile the pandemic rages on as the less than intelligent try to find any reason NOT to use a proven method to combat it in hopes of finding some other solution. Call it blinders if you want, but I will choose that every day over something that one “hopes” could achieve maybe a similar result. It is very simple math and defensible stats. But no, “the government” has some hidden agenda. I knew I shouldn’t have bothered. At least I can take solace in the fact that Canadians at least are showing they can use their brains and powers of deduction a little better than many other countries. Not much comfort though. I think there is little hope for that last 20%. Hopefully most don’t go the “eliminate your intestines” route to avoid god forbid having to get a vaccination.
It’s not take one or the other, vaxxed people still end up in hospital, having a drug that can reduce the symptoms if they do would be a great benefit no?
I for one am glad they are studying drugs that reduce symptoms because god forbid a strain comes out that the vaccine is ineffective on and we have no other options.
I drink water to prevent headaches but if I ever get a headache it’s nice to know there is asprin to help reduce its effects.
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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:
What about your vet?
Good job trolling for Alf upvotes.
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Just now, RUPERTKBD said:
Well, no-one is better qualified....
That I agree with, been on CDC a long time and have much experience doing so.
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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:
A quick search of pharmacy pricing in Canada for Invermectin show a range of prices from just under a $1.50 per tablet, up to just over $4.00 per tablet....
....of course, the vaccines are free....
Which just goes to show....A foal and his money are soon parted....
My doctor prescribed medications are free too.
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