Canucklehead73

Not that I don't think Hughes being able to bring elite skating and puck possession the likes we have never seen... Having an offensive center with a 200 foot game as dogged in his own end as he is ok offense , winning the hardest shot as a forward, is about as unheard of as it gets to be honest. Hard not the pick Pete first over Hughes imho

All comes down to drafting... you draft poorly and your rebuild/retool will stall forcing you to either wallow in misery or sign UFA players chasing big dollars. Or you trade for players you feel can develop into the players you want/need IE Miller. Doesn't always work obviously but better odds than drafting imho. What amazes me the most when I read these threads is how blindly people believe trading good players for draft picks is guaranteed to produce an NHL player. MY personal take is that you always focus on drafting quality players and surround them with NHL players to develop/mentor/insulate your draftees. But ultimately whether you draft, sign or trade for a quality NHL player, all hard to do, once you find those players... You don't trade them away for hopes, dreams and unicorns... Miller seems to be the target of this traditits... A skilled center who can skate, hit, shoot, score and has a chip on his shoulder and had done nothing but produce for us. I shake my head... he is already developed... trading for a younger version who "might" develop or draft picks that are a crap shoot... I shake my head...

Is he wondering how he missed?

Just making a lame joke based on your user name...

Think you're a tad biased...

Meh sorry was a long time ago... just remeber that mean back end with diduck and dirk etc.

Robert Dirk 6'4 210lbs

Who knows the actual back story, media quotes aside, I doubt anyone here really knows what went on. A lot of people, never mind hockey players, do not figure their stuff out mentally until their late twenties... From a pure hockey standpoint, adding a defense man of his size, speed and wingspan on an nhl rink, if your scouts green light him defensively it would be a no brainer to add a piece like try.

Only one way to look at it, if you keep OEL and you feel he plays like a 2Mill player you are already carrying a 5mill dead cap hit... So move on? What is the difference.

No... Just no... Even at league minimum the guy has the rep of being a douche and a poor sport... not the leadership a young team needs

Stay away. Any player has a right to his UFA years, to demand the ability to choose your preferred team before your UFA rights come up, simply flies in the face of the CBA agreed to between the league and the players union. And imho agent should be ashamed for leaking this, sure it applies pressure for Winnipeg to move him now, but ties their hands if every team knows PLD only wants Montreal. And Montreal can just sit there knowing in the end Winnipeg has to accept whatever they get for assets back....

Puts up decent point totals but is a - player in his NHL career, last year was the first time he was + for an NHL season. Jersey was/is a young team and it is a team sport in regards to +/- totals, But is it a red flag. I've never watched the NJD play much so I have no idea what is behind those minus seasons.

As I said at the end of my post I believe in drafting and developing as well. There is no salary cap on scouting and development budgets. But that being said, trading picks for an NHL caliber player already developed is still a win. The picks used have no guaranteed success like some people seem to bemoan the loss of. A lot of picks never pan out... All I'm saying is getting that NHL player on your roster via draft picks or via trading draft picks is still the end goal and a win for the organization.

Think it's a mistake to assume draft capital simply translates into nhl players in the future. It's way to easy to say if we had those picks we would have this many NHL players. This only works if you have great scouting staff and a solid development system, then you can and should horde your draft picks and gain trade capital as your prospects push their way into your NHL roster. In my opinion if you trade picks for an NHL player it's really no different than one of your picks developing into an NHL player. Both are gambles but if either scenario nets you a NHL player that's a win. Personally I lean towards a draft, develop and trade system but JR is looking to shore up the supporting cast quickly and that means trading what capital he has...

Not like I really care one way or the other... But can't help but point out that you're asking for "evidence" to why she was fired, while accepting someone's word with no real evidence either... Can't really have it both ways can you? Nobody knows what went on behind closed doors period. Def not some reporter speculating... Demanding evidence from someone, when you have zero evidence of your side of the argument, is not a good starting point for a constructive debate. And if your talking "evidence", the only actual evidence is she was fired from two teams... Usually when you get fired from an organization something didn't fit. And twice?

Cuz ghe pp is not the issue... yeo... dunno

Can't be serious... Most fans have no clue about running a hockey team. Worst part is half of them still believe they do...

Doesn't matter what the issue being discussed, when you sit in your living room pretending you know what is going on in the canucks front office or how the team dynamics are playing out in the dressing room... You know absolutely nothing... Your not around to see what management is doing or not doing regarding moving players. Your have no clue how Miller is liked or disliked, or if Horvat is a good captian or not, you are not in the dressing room. Or anything behind closed doors. When you start spouting your personal opinions about what people are doing or how they act, and then direct anger towards these people because of your own presumptions... You come off as a cheap politician spouting rhetoric... Moving on.

Def an issue playing defense... Not sure what the answer is to be honest, I am not one to say rebuild as we have good young players some good veterans as well. Our defense is not deep and we are deep with "offensive" forwards so I think the obvious play is to trade from your strengths. Not sure why management hasn't hit. Anyways I don't think we look for a rebuild with Pettersson and Hughes on board and as much hate Miller gets, he has good chemistry with Horvat. My personal preference is to move our soft forwards for "whatever" we can get to clear cap space (Boeser, Pearson) and start shuffling the deck on defence. This season might be a wash though, not a bad thing for a draft pick, but I don't think a rebuild is warranted with our current players. I have done a spreadsheet up with next years cap projections, even with Horvat and Kuzmenko (tradebait imho) signing large contracts we aren't too far over the cap... but we would need to move some salary. If we can shed Boeser, Pearson and Myers maybe we would be good for cap space with our forwards signed, but would still need to add/change the backend... UFA? Trade? IF Horvat truly wants out he would get us a solid RHD+ Ultimately my biggest concern with a "full" rebuild for picks and prospects, no matter what argument anyone offers, there is no guarantee those picks and prospects will develop into the magical winning formula. I mean look at Edmonton... and look around the league, there are some good teams sitting on the outside looking in... there is no book called "How to rebuild your NHL team into a juggernaut in 3 easy steps" I have no problem with tearing apart the team (supporting cast) by removing players who are not producing and or not willing to focus on defensive play, but we need hang onto our good players, look to add productive players that have chemistry with our core, and also make our drafting and development pipeline a focal point.

The only way a team trades a guy like Horvat is if he wants out... Every team wants & needs a Horvat. There are always moves to be made to budget his asking price and the reality is you have to pay market price for top players. Puck possession is a critical factor when considering Horvat's impact especially in situations when the game is on the line. While many players of NHL22 will imply it's so simple and easy to make trades and draft "better" players with picks other teams will gladly hand over, again reality dictates that it is not so easy to do...

Yeah I totally believe Rutherford told Friedman that he was trading the whole team except Pettersson... has him on speed dial. Just like Miller was going to be traded for two months until he wasn't... I don't listen to reporters imho

Well this thread morphed into a another...

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.... Boeser gets a healthy scratch.... Boeser is embarrassed and requests trade. Agent gets permission to talk to teams.

You don't rebuild with this core, might not have a McDavid, Crosby type of franchise forward, but we have some real good pieces. Petterson, Horvat, Miller, Hughes, Demko and several other players that are putting up numbers, we have 5 almost 6 players at a PPG Sure we have some cap problems with some over paid guys, but every team does and we should be grateful ownership pays to the cap... If your a cagey GM you might play like you giving up in the hopes of moving a Pearson or a Myers and then making a splash for a real top 4 RHD But this is team you need to build around not the other way around.... you would think we are a team of old washed up vets with the amount of pouting for a rebuild

We have 2.4 mill in dead cap coming off the books... Kuzmenko doesn't have the foot speed imho and I'm sure his contract is designed to showcase him for a payday, both him and Boeser can put up points but have no defensive ability due to their lack of speed... I'd be ok with trades on both fronts.