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I would continue this discussion with you but my main point is going over your head. The only thing you said that recognizes my main point was that you cannot quantify something like market animosity, THATS ALL IM TRYING TO SAY. I dont have any issue with people saying that: - Its a tough market: I agree but so are many other markets. - Our media can be a little much at times: I agree but so are other markets. - Players have sometimes felt like they were pushed off: Most of these players were in decline and essentially played themselves off the team. - Players are affected by negative comments: If you listen to people on CDC players/management NEVER come on these boards, so were left with a SMALL handful of people that call in talk shows. How is that an accurate measure of the market. IT ISNT. Brian Burke was commenting on how there is a push by fans to see Green fired. HE ALSO SAID: "Its a small group and not a representative of the whole." That same thing could be said for the haters they are a small group and not the majority. I guess we will agree to disagree. It is noteworthy that the hardcore homers will not defend their own fan base because the actions of the few are seen as the voice of the majority. Its also true that the opinions of the fans vary from week to week. I bet if you did a poll asking wether or not Green should be fired AFTER the Leafs game a vast majority would be in favor. Whereas IF we made the playoffs and say by some chance WON a round or 2, then you polled on wether or not Green should win the Jack Adams the vast majority would say yes. I believe Jordan Petersson touched on this when he explained that there is nothing wrong with having two opposing sides in any point of view. The problems arise when one side cannot live with the presence of the other and then tries to justify why that view should not exist at all. We SHOULD live with the tension of BOTH sides. I stand by my statement that you cannot really ever rate a hockey market vs other markets and then come up with some kind of numerical ranking. Its absolute garbage, its propaganda, and it has no basis in fact or reality. Furthermore I would raise absolute hell with Sportsnet after those comments about us being hands down the most hated market. Either prove why thats true or lose your f*cking jobs, you biased good ole boy club bastards.
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I cede to you that some of the questions the media asks are absolutely boneheaded. But as to the sportnet interview which has ALWAYS been heavily biased towards Toronto, they went around and polled all the teams and all the players and had that ready for this morning? Or were they just trying to divert attention from their precious baby team the leafs and the shockingly bad week that they have had with the whole zamboni goalie thing? The fact that they would chose now of all times to dump on us actually proves their bias.
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The other thing is you cannot use reactions post game as a measure of the quality of the fanbase. Because everyone arent giant homers and over positive means its a tough market? I dont think so. Using Toronto as an example I can remember MANY an instance where over negative media coverage lead to players actually wanting out. When has that happened in Van other than Bure? Kessel and probably every single goaltender that has been in Toronto in the last 6 years could tell you something about how positive the market reacts. They were just a few weeks prior calling for Dubas's head and look at how good that team has played and the quality of players they have!
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- Any post game thread after a loss? What are you talking about its the exact same thing on any board anywhere so not sure what you mean there. - The posts of a few people mean nothing to me its speculative and subjective. - Every team everywhere have fans that call in after consecutive losses and p iss and moan so ok... Your entire post about the bitching an moaning measurement lacks anything that is tangible and provable in terms of actual amounts people bitch and moan because IT ISNT MEASURED AT ALL!!!! So as great as your post LOOKS it lacks any sort of tangible proof other than the opinion of ok lets count now 3 people. And btw if Kes and Juice hate how they were treated so bad why the hell would they come back for the Sedins retirement? I watched the whole thing and it seemed to me that we treated them pretty good there. Even Kesler who actually cheated with another teamates wife got a standing O.... Yeah horrible fanbase just awful lol!
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How do you know the teams like the Blues and the Caps dont have that pressure? Qualify that please because I dont think you can. Its a fine thing to say about 2 teams that have had great recent success what about Buffalo any pressure there. Kesler and Bieksa are has beens and they cannot qualify what they said either. Best they could give you by my measure is some whining and b itching about the media and the fans getting Irate after the team starts to decline. In what market does the media and the fans NOT bitch when the team starts to decline? Where? Name one city! Then your down to measuring HOW MUCH the media/fanbase will moan when a team starts to lose, and that is the main crux of my counter argument. Since you cannot measure how much media and fans bitch and moan you are left with subjective opinions that alot of the time are really really biased. Not saying Van isnt tough to play in but I bet you can find players from every market that at one point or another will say that the market was really really tough to play in. The variance might be in the amount fans pay attention to the team. The other thing is how many players will say Van is tough market but yet state we have the best fans in the NHL?
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I was not trying to exonerate the entire fanbase sir I was trying to establish that 2 hosts on a show dont know didly about where Vancouver stands in terms of ranks of tough cities. Listen I think they are all nasty when the team is under performing and all wonderful when the team is winning. Look at the Rangers market now THAT is deadly. So im not sure anyone is qualified to say distinctly where any market stands enough to assign ranks. Its VERY subjective so it boils down to opinion and we all know about opinions.
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Im sorry I dont agree that alone qualifies the statement. Is it so hard do defend your own market? Yes you see your own negativity inside, you want to succumb to the dark side i feel it. Lol seriously tho when did Pat Quinn say that? Was it taken out of context at all? Was he still miffed at being let go? I dont recall but would their be any coaches that would have an un unnecessarily negative point of view of Toronto and its fanbase? You dont suppose that recency bias plays any part? Again though 1 statement from 1 coach does not qualify the statement.
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Dont be so quick to judge or you run the risk of sounding just as negative as the people wanting Green fired. I actually watched it and I feel like it bought him more time at the very least. It was refreshing to see that side of him. I did not appreciate them saying Vancouver is the 2nd toughest market in Canada. How the hell does one even go about measuring something like that? Not saying we are angels but were do you come up with Montreal is the toughest market but Vancouver is definitely second, but certainly Toronto is not 2nd. How do you even measure something like this and come up with definitive rankings? Boggles the mind.
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Good laughs in here. Seriously though once the rage from the road trip settles you take a look at the bigger picture and you can see that we are steadily improving so in reality all is as it should be. It was only the unexpected success from this season that had everyone raising their expectations. No one expected us to make the playoffs as I recall and here we are in the mix. What is troubling is that JB sorta went all in on the playoff bet so he and green would definitely be in the hot seat if we dont make it in.
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I remember when I said that our playoff hopes are over now that Marky is gone. I felt a little crappy and I hoped I was wrong. I never could have imagined this level of collapse. Utter failure on every level. Please god dont make the playoffs we need 3 more years min before we can seriously challenge. Literally zero positives from the road trip. 3 losses and 3 huge monumental steps back.
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Outerworlds and I just re-install FF15 on steam.
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Feb. 29, 2020
Shirotashi replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I agree with everything you said but I would add that Hughes was off but I honestly think hes just tired. I think Green has no clue what hes doing with the management of players ice time. Demko is a huge example of this. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Feb. 29, 2020
Shirotashi replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
He loves those low percentage shots from the outside on the PP. I think its attitude to be honest. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Feb. 29, 2020
Shirotashi replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
You werent expecting them to win and yet you want them in the playoffs? Why? Were not ready for the playoffs even by your own estimation. -
I love that he barely touched the guy and just destroyed him. Ivan Drago style afterwards he just mean mugs everyone that tries him. Love this guy.
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Ottawa Senators | Feb. 27, 2020
Shirotashi replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Montreal Canadiens | Feb. 25, 2020
Shirotashi replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
A win against all odds IN MTL????? WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Give those refs some Habs jerseys eh? Fing rights boyz! -
Well they were close.
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3 sure fire goals missed by players fanning on the shot, not even making contact. Not saying hockey is fixed but man it sure looks like it sometimes.
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This fan reaction says it all: