CaptainLinden16

I think the D being bas is severely overblown. Under Bruce they were top5 in goals against? That's more than likely too high, but if they are top 15 that's more than good enough with this forward group and goalie.

I see what you mean but Linden was a much better playmaker and team player overall offensively. His goals were more varied. He was in the right spot at the right time because of his work rate and awareness. Bo offensively is like a McKinnon light version. Not a lot of integration with the flow of play or your teammates. Its get the puck early and try to beat everyone one on one. Bo's inside out move is very very effective. He looks like Bure out there sometimes when he is really on. When he is not rushing the puck or standing in the slot taking one-timers on the powerplay, it is really hard to notice his offensive contribution. Someone like Petterson and Miller are perpetual conduits, everything is coming to and from their sticks.

I think people just miscast Bo because he is big and good at faceoffs. They think ok he is a defensive player. He is actually a fairly decent one on one hockey player off the rush, and he obviously can one-time a puck in the slot. Its also hard(er) to be a great defensive player with a short stick. Short stick and not very physical. To be honest it is really hard to see why he is seen as a great defensive player. He is a solid two way player. An absolutely perfect 2nd line center and an ok 1st line center.

Bo is like a bigger, faster, better at faceoffs bonino so Bonino +++. Ryan Kesler was a legend. He just didn't have the humble personality that everyone is in love with. He had swagger just like a trash talking Deion Sanders. You want your defensive players to be mean spirited, aggressive, in your face and very very fast.

Garland is crimnially underrated for the tone he sets for the team. When you see someone hustle like that on every shift, you question your own effort and give more.

I am sorry Kesler was a significantly better defensive player the Bo ever will be. Kesler was an animal. Kesler single handedly won the predators series. He was a favorite with Loungo for the Smythe in 2011. His underperformance at times prior can be attributed precisely to his over emphasis on the defensive side of the game. Kesler was extremely fast and constantly in your face. An absolute nightmare to play against. Horvat is a solid positional player who is great on faceoffs. He is more like NIck Bonino+++

You are one of the worst offenders. That's what two players over the last twenty years? I can come up with at least twenty players that got lit up in the same time frame while playing a bit part role on the team.

This is very standard on this forum. 7th Defenseman is absolute tire fire garbage and so is the 13th forward. No need to consider position on the depth chart or salary. Picking on the 7th defenseman and the 13th forward is a time honored tradition on this forum.

I love numbers and this certainly is fun. But I guess this is where statistics can become very misleading. Looking at this data you would just assume that everyone making larger dollar amounts is overvalued. You would think the key would be the Lammikko, Schenn, Chiasson, Podkolzin's etc..Boeser, Petterson and Horvat are pretty much the three must overvalued forwards not counting Dries. I think where this data would be more useful would be in comparing players across certain salary bands like a 8-10M tier, 8-6M tier, 6-4M etc... Great job though!

Since not all of them are full time players, it would make sense to adjust the cost by games played. Since defensemen produce both less goals and assists than forwards, it would also make sense to adjust for that. Otherwise, defensemen and part-time players will appear grossly overpaid. Injured players, unless they are consistently injured, would also be penalized in their value assessment.

hilarious of course yes. Quinn is awesome but thats kawaaaazy

someone is feeling some type of way.

I don't know if Garland is actually any faster. He isn't really that fast at all. He just has insane edgework and agility. He should be getting obliterated with the amount of time he spends on the boards yet he just slips out and keeps feeding pucks into the slot. Boeser to the Islanders makes a tone of sense. Barzal is so fast, a one man zone entry machine, and a great passer. I think Boeser could score 40 with Barzal as I can't imagine a more complimentary winger/center combo. You put Anders Lee on LW who is also from Edina, MN to Brocks Burnsville, MN; and you have the net front presence and screen that would only further increase Boeser's shooting percentage. If you could do Boeser + Rathbone for Pulock or Dobson, both teams would be massively better off.

easier to replace? Have you seen Garland play hockey? The little man is a wizard. His board work, without the qualifier for a man his size, is amazing. He unlike Brock creates a tremendous amount of opportunity for his line mates. His shot is poor, but he is a work horse with incredible skating and agility. I notice Garland every shift in a good way. I only notice Brock when he is scoring. I like him, but him and Garland aren't in the same league. Garland is also in his first year on a new team. He will be even better next year. He isn't going to score 30 goals, but that being said Brock hasn't ever done that either. This team has plenty of players who can shoot the puck. Passing ability, elusiveness, work ethic are far more valuable to the overall quality of the team than another great shooter.

hahahahaha it only took a little bit of time pick off the goalies as you don't see them game to game. Demko definitely confused me the most. Tanner Pearson also ended up a lot more attractive than I initially would've thought. Highmore was also a challenge. Brad Hunt is an absolute beauty! I think whoever did it just gave up on the last row. Someone needs to figure out the minor league one as I have no clue on that one.

I think I got it Miller-Petterson-Boeser-Hughes-Horvat Podkolzin-Pearson-Chiasson-Highmore-Dickinson Garland-EkmanLarsson-Hoglander-Schenn-Demko Halak-Hunt-Myer-Lammiko-Richardson Hilarious, I love it.

You strike me as someone who is good at the internet. Zero depth, but excellent memes and one liners. How you can claim cherry picking when I listed all of the meaningful free agent transactions by the Canucks in recent years. Then I listed an entire free agent class, Louie's masterclass year of Cap Space bonanza as well as more recent examples. Only an idiot deals in absolutes. Of course not all free agent signings and draft picks are of poor quality. It would be ridiculous to assume that. The only reason why someone would assume that is that they hold the opposite position in absolute. I have consistently tried in vein to emphasize that there is an inherent risk in trading Miller just like there is a risk in not trading Miller. Because of his expiring contract and age, there is a large group on here that mistakenly thinks that trading him is like some kind of lucky pot of gold. They very mistakenly fail to realize is that there has to be two parties in each transaction! If he is such a radioactive commodity as he is old and going to demand too much money then you are getting him purely as a rental. If he is a rental then likely you get Claude Giroux type of returns. It essentially someone trading 5 2nd round picks for a top 10 pick. It sounds right, but the likelihood of a meaningful player coming from those 2nd round picks is low. Volume is always a bad approach. Please don't respond to any further posts, you level of contribution I can find on twitter.

You know what, I can dig that. Maybe this is an outlier season and maybe he is benefit a lot from his position on the powerplay. But again this is something I can live with being wrong on...After all none of us know the future.

I would love someone to expand on a thought like this. The Lightning won the cup twice. Did they trade Hedman, Stamkos, Kucherov, Vasilesvski, Point? How about the previous core? Trading Martin St. Louis turned into Ryan Callahan!!!, Mike Condon, Dominik Masen, John MacLeod, Mitchell Stephens. Brad Richards for Jeff Halpern, Mike Smith, Jussi Jokienen. None of that was part of a future core. The Penguins won the cup with Malkin, Crosby and Letang in 2009 and kept the band together and won it again in 2016/17. The Blackhawks did the same. Who is this team that trade all of its best players for awesome returns that created their core? One thing you will see in common is 1st and 2nd overall picks. Malkin, Crosby, Hedman, Stamkos...You create a great team by being bad AND getting lucky. You guarantee you get Crosby. You could get Yakupov. The last time the Canucks had a 1st of 2nd overall pick they won the Presidents Trophy and went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. Nobody is trading a first overall pick. When you don't have that caliber player than enjoy the playoffs and being 7th seed. Can you imagine if all 32 teams decided that only 5 teams realistically have a chance at the cup so the other 27 would continually tank and trade for lots of 4th and 7th round picks to asset manage their way into contention. I mean how absurdly preposterous can a thought process be.

You completely and utterly missed the point. Its not that you cant draft a great player or sign a great free agent. Anything is possible. That doesn't mean its probable. You are missing the inherent risks of trading a player who is top 10 in scoring and the primary play driver for the team. Trading him gives you no guarantee for replacement. It isn't even more likely than not that you will NOT replace him. The probability is well less than 50% that the cap space or the picks/prospects yield a comparable player.

What if JT gets better every year as the players around him mature and improve. What if...What if....its a risk either way. The probabilities are higher staying with JT than hoping that you beat out 32 teams for the free agents that you want while miraculously getting a really good deal for the free agent contracts. The draft is really really challenging. You cannot say with absolutely certainty that you will improve the team in anyway with a trade. You cannot say you will improve the team by keeping JT with certainty either. It is a two sided risk as most things are in life.

I always love the spend elsewhere part. Like Louie Player Name, Tucker Poolman, Jason Dickinson, Jay Beagle, Antoine Russell. Oh thats just JB. How about Kyle Okoposo, Andrew Ladd, David Backes, Frans Nielsen, Milan Lucic, Troy Brouwer, Philip Grubauer, Blake Coleman, Sergei Bobrovsky, Gustav Nyquis, etc... Its nice to have cap space to resign your own players, but man oh man you think the draft is a crap shoot. Free agency has been absolutely brutal in the cap era. Think about it, is JT worth 9 million at 60 points???? or is it better to have a 2 late first round picks that amount to Peter Schaefer and Harold Druken and sprinkle in some Josh Holden and Nathan Smith. With the cap space you sign up Louie Player Name and Ryan Dzingle. Boom baby ASSETS MANAGEMENT!!! Its a risk either way. People seem to be missing that point. Its not just you get nothing if he walks. You may get nothing if you trade him too. I would rather risk it with a guy who is the heart and soul of the team then some free agents getting fat contracts and calling it a day and a bag of magic beans.

Byram and a 1st is an easy no. Another LHD offensive D Hughes, Ekman-Larsson, Rathbone...And the magic bean that has a 10% chance of producing a Travis Hamonic caliber player. People are obsessed with youth. Miller is top 10 in scoring, and he has significantly more intangibles than most offensive players. A magic bean and another, although promising, LHD offensive defenseman is a ridiculously bad offer.

they have tons of room, and although their value isnt great both Poolman and Dickinson are NHL hockey players. They could easily earn their contracts as they are not significant. The flexibility is more valuable to Vancouver. Its a very reasonable gamble for Columbus plus 1st, Boeser and Rathbone is plenty to get excited about too.

Poolman and Dickinson may have negative value. That's a lot of term coming off. Gavrikov is a very good player. He plays 21 minutes per night. Skates very well, smooth with the puck, hits. Adam Boqvist is 21 years old and a RHD that has 10 goals on the season now. Boeser for Boqvist would be robbery.