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Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
You attach such importance to the opinion of people on the internet and you're questioning my intelligence. That's rich. People with half a brain don't believe everything they read on the internet, whether it's on forums like these, Twitter, Facebook or whatever. -
Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
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Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
Honestly, if they're that emotionally fragile and intellectually limited that they'd take anything they read on this forum seriously, they're in the wrong business. -
Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
What could possibly lead you to believe that any player on the team reads what's written on this forum? -
Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
Stupid exists in every city, but Toronto harbours a section of extra special stupid. Case in point: FORD NATION. -
Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
I could tell you some of the crazy things I've heard Leafs fans say in my time in Toronto, but there isn't enough space. -
Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
Point? What point? That you're all in a huff because people are talking out their a-- on an internet forum? What makes you think the CDC is any worse than other fanbases? I've lived in Montréal for four years and had to live in Toronto for ten. I can tell you from experience that this kind of thing goes on in both cities (Toronto is probably sillier.) You said you're 33 years old. Well then: act your age. -
Quit being gullible, you are the problem with this team.
Undrafted replied to canuckster19's topic in Canucks Talk
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[Confirmed] Jim Benning signs as new Canucks GM
Undrafted replied to TheRussianRocket.'s topic in Canucks Talk
I don't quite go back as far as you do—only moved to BC back in 1980 when I was a kid. I do remember the first Cup run and the excitement surrounding it, but I was too young to really know much about the subtleties of the game. Still, since that time, I've stuck with the team through good times and bad; and now that I'm older, I realize that every franchise goes through ebbs and flows. I'd love to be wrong, but I do think we're in a downturn. Benning is a good step in the right direction, but I think it'll be a few years before we really see a Canucks team with his fingerprints on it, longer for that team to become a genuine contender again. -
[Confirmed] Jim Benning signs as new Canucks GM
Undrafted replied to TheRussianRocket.'s topic in Canucks Talk
Never underestimate how low the media will stoop. -
I did a little digging on the source of the report. Kristopher Martel is a Preds blogger, but doesn't appear to have any official ties to the Predators organization. In his twitter feed, he says "9 out of 10 anonymous sources agree" (my italics). Make your own judgements on how much stock to put into that.
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First off, thanks for the link, RW. Added that to my folder of hockey bookmarks. Unfortunately, we can't see the possession stats for the Preds' best offensive years, which was 2005-7; those were the numbers I was the most curious to see. This is only speculation, but based on Linden's comments when he was hired and the assumption that Benning is indeed the next GM, I'd guess that they're going to shoot for a "rebuild-on-the-fly". Benning's strength is his scouting background, so even if we do rebuild, it'd be years before we'd see the fruits of his labour specifically. In the meantime, the organization is infamously handcuffed with a lot of NTC/NMC contracts, but I'd expect if there's a reasonable offer to convert some of the Canucks moveable assets into picks/prospects, they'll do it. In other words, I don't expect wholesale changes (which is fine) but there'll probably be some reduction of the old core; I think the Canucks still need to retain a strong veteran presence to bring up whatever youth can be served.
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I don't know about you, but I've been getting my numbers from Extra Skater and the stats on their site only goes back a couple of years. (BTW, if you know of a site that has advanced stats from earlier seasons, I'd love to know about it.) I'd be curious to see what Nashville's possession stats were during the mid-2000's when they had a much better offence. Still, the main reason why I'd really like to see Trotz as the Canucks head coach is because of the uncertainty regarding the roster moving forward. At this point, we fans don't know whether there's going to be a full rebuild, a slight re-tooling, or something in between. Given that, Trotz's key attribute is his well-known capability of working with whatever roster he has. No matter what the Canucks management decides to do with the roster, if Trotz is the head coach, there's good reason to expect that he'll get the best out of what he has.
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Looking at things with a wider or macro approach is good, but I also think that when it comes to analytics, there's a lot of context to take into account. NJD's higher possession metrics make sense, now that I've seen some of the players on there roster (I don't follow the Devils at all); NSH simply never had the players to play a possession game. Another example of possession metrics not telling the whole story: the Canucks possession metrics were actually very good last season, believe it or not. Look how far that got them.
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I don't think he can be pinned with NSH's weakness up front and I will offer a different set of stats: If you look up the offensive output of their top offensive players, even those acquired in trade, their numbers are consistent. For example, Mike Fisher's offensive numbers didn't drop off after being traded from a more offensive team in Ottawa. Martin Erat's numbers actually declined after being traded away from Nashville to an offensive team in WSH. Their best current player, Hornqvist has had a steady climb (expected because of his age). To me, that's a pretty good indication that the inability to score is not because of coaching. Edit: just looked up both rosters and NJD and NSH are far from comparable when it comes to their forwards. NJD still has some solid offensive players in Zajac, Henrique, Ryder, Elias and even Jagr. NSH doesn't even come close.
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Just because NSH or Trotz himself didn't trumpet his support behind analytics doesn't mean he doesn't use them—after all, he's also never publicly come out and dismissed them, either. I don't think using NJD's metrics as a comparison is a valid point, either. While they may have been equally less talented up front, it doesn't mean they had the same kind of players. Different personnel requires the use of different tactics, which is something Trotz has demonstrated an awareness of. A good example would be how he adapted on the fly when Rinne went down with injury last season. And you can't pin the fact that NSH being weak up front on Trotz—he's the coach, not the GM.
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I think it's very presumptuous to assume that Trotz doesn't use advanced stats just because the possession metrics in NASH weren't that high—that's can still be explained by the limitations of the roster. The fact that he managed to get the most out of a budget roster year after year, including being able to deal with the team's best players being traded away before they got too expensive is (IMO) far stronger evidence of Trotz's adaptability. Nashville's blunder in letting him go is hopefully Vancouver's gain.
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[Official] Canucks coach talk. Keep all talk here.
Undrafted replied to MJDDawg's topic in Canucks Talk
Is that part of the "Hangover" parody that he and the TSN panel did? -
[Official] Canucks coach talk. Keep all talk here.
Undrafted replied to MJDDawg's topic in Canucks Talk
^ This. ^