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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Phat Fingers replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Tanev should be only traded is a legit cannot miss player is on the draft board, think Schnieder for Horvat. I would be hesitant to do that. If Tanev is moved I would want a legit NHL player back, Rienhart, Landeskog etc. I know that those players would require extra pieces to aquire, but Tanev could solidify a lot of defence cores in the league, including our own. He he would be prefect in Buffalo, Edmonton or Colorado. -
Juolevi is Finlands best d man, but when have a coach that makes Willie d look like a genius, it is tough. The only take away I have is that team Finland lacks cohesion and forward depth. OJ's deployment is questionable, but his passion is a undeniable as his skill. Again the CDC starts to rush to judge a kid because they are facing adversary. Let the guy have a bad WJC and hate losing. Let him pick himself back up. For all the posters that wanted another forward, we haven't drafted a d in the first round in ten years. The pipeline was empty. Juolevi shines when he has more skill to work with. He is the f35 of defence men. Not the biggest, fastest or hardest hitting. He can do all those things to a degree. It is his ability to process the game and do the little things a so seemlessly that when his physical strength and stamina are NHL ready, he will seemlessly step into the lineup and play like he has been there for years. Think Tanev on the defence side with a Lindholm/OEL like offense. He may not ever hit 40 pts in a season, but Imagine Tanev playing exactly the same defensively and putting up a constant 35 pts. We would be drooling at that. I watched Tempo play for the Jets. We had Lumme, but Tempo was always better by just a bit at nearly everything. He was the most underrated defender in the league. OJ is another Tempo. Ask any old school Jets fan who they would rather have, Tempo or Tkachuk.
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The fentanyl suckers the military used in Afghanistan are far better, unless those are the suckers JB has... Now it all makes sense.
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Don't see why we are hyper vigilant about Juolevi. From all accounts the Finnish coach is in way over his head. Seem to remember that Horvat had a poor WJC as well. He is our pick and only time will tell if he works out. This board has a really bad habit of hanging on a teenagers every move and if there is any bump in the road, it's all doom and gloom. Finland is missing a huge amount of talent. With the way that pool party had been playing, Edmonton could have sent him. Dont see the poor performance of Finland being OJ's fault. OJ is having a great OHL season. The game he plays does require his teammates to possess skills. Very few defencemen drive the play. They transition, counter, but rarely skate end to end and score. OJ is not Orr and is not a player that can do it all himself. He is a key peice to that we need.
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I went on the HF board post the Finland Czech game. The Finns posting were harder on their coach than we are on Willie D. They all reckognize their team is not as strong as last years, but are scratching their heads about deployment and line combos. They think he is a grade a buffoon. I won't be expecting much from them and am not worried if Juolevi's talent doesn't translate this year. He is a force multiplier, making it easier for other skilled players to show their talents. If there isn't much to work with, Juolevi will be harder to appreciate. EW
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Its christmas break and we are all taking tagents in the Virtannen thread. Hope Jake takes it easy on the turkey this holidays and finds another gear in Utica post holidays.
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Been working the night shift over the holidays. This forum is a version of brain candy for me. Shift work... Yuck.
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All good things to hear. From most reports Jasek has been in a tough situation with his club in Czech. He is eligible to come over and play in the AHL next season, he and Zuke will be players to watch. Jasek could be a dark horse draft pick that completely flew under the radar. We can look to Trymakin and Forsling as fitting that mold in JB's first draft. For or a team in desperate need of youth, if Virtannen pans out, JB's first draft will go down as one of the best, if not the best in Club history.
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Jake needs to be play hungry. A prolonged stint in the AHL can create that. I see no problem of making him work hard to get back up to the show.
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He likely does. It's his stamina that needs to improve. Time and proper training will fix that.
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Just enjoy the break from the we should have drafted Nylander comments. It will all start up again when Jake goes a game without a point.
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Dont think so. I think we would have had some posters linking to that.
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Havent had much time to check him out. Sounds like an good pick possibly. If we are in a similar draft spot this season, our center woes look to be over. Lots of good ones going in the top 6 spots.
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For me it's Nico (I think he will be gone before us) or Mittelstad. Don't see a downside to either.
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Thanks for for the response. Some of my response to you was really for others. I find you to be a reasonable poster, not always common on the CDC. I also have no problems with Jake being a physical 15, but believe that he will be a physical 25 or more at his peak. He does need AHL time, and he took an unusual path to get there, but I really don't want to see him back on the Nucks roster for some time. What he can get with Green in Utica is invaluable to his future. While Utica will be in for a rocky season, things look up next year with a number of players due to join the roster from JB's first 2 drafts. Jake should have a setup guy to play with coming soon. Until then, learn from green and soak it all in. EW
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Cresent beach NS? Cool. Glad to have any nucks fan on the east coast.
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We had a few good snows, but it melted a few days before Christmas... Then rained Christmas morning only to drop to -15 with the wind chill. We can skate down our roads in spots. Have a a safe on out there. Does Vancouver stI'll shut down at the sight of a snowflake? Hope you are well and that everyone has snowtire
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We had a few good snows, but it melted a few days before Christmas... Then rained Christmas morning only to drop to 15 with the wind chill. We can skate down our roads in spots. Have a a safe on out there. Does Vancouver stI'll shut down at the sight of a snowflake? Hope you are well and that everyone has snowtires.
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Really dude, Soma guy &^@#s up his shoulder and has surgery but is supposed to perform better on your statistical data or he is a bust? He doesn't meet the average markers and any plausible reason is an excuse. So Boeser will also be a bust if he doesn't produce more on a college team because he is injured and required surgery. Now because of that he will score less points. So he is, by your analysis a bust potentially too. So no other information needed, no improvement from year one to two, bust no matter what, bust. 20 y/o that doesn't produce right away, bust, failure and poor drafting. I mean why bother sending Jake to the AHL for development, Terrible Dee has a data sheet looking at his Juinor numbers from his draft year to the following one and it clearly shows Jake has no ability and was a wasted pick. Okay, Dee we should waive Jake as clearly your abilities to look at the stats and not factor context is vastly superior to any other method. You have all the answers and I bow to your superior knowledge.
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Not trying to vent on you, and there is justification in your point of view, but Jake is a enigma right now. The constant references to his last year in junior always omits or downplays his fairly significant injury and lengthy recovery. Jake AHL stats are also based on brief stints over three seasons. Hard to quantify or evaulate his future with such a small and segmented body of work. He has shown some promise of late and has this season and next to put it all together. Don't see the need to project failure or let down onto a kid this early into his career. I dont know if other fan bases do this to their prospects, all the hate on Jake, Bo was only going to be a third liner. His AHL stats also suck. Juolevi can't become a number one defender, look Tkachuk is doing better a few months after the draft and now OJ is the wrong pick. Drafting is like getting a Christmas present this year and not really knowing what you got until five more Christmases have passed. EW
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Son of Keith maybe looking better now, but he is no Laine or Mathews. By the same logic Puljarvi and Dubois are inferior to Tkachuk. I wouldn't trade Puljarvi or Dubois for Tkachuk, no reason I would trade Juolevi at this point.
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Son of Keith maybe looking better now, but he is no Laine or Mathews. By the same logic Puljarvi and Dubois are inferior to Tkachuk. I wouldn't trade Puljarvi or Dubois for Tkachuk, no reason I would trade Juolevi at this point.
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I think they were very similar. Both big strong farm boys with incredible work ethic, committed to team play, clutch and willing to do it all without having to be the center of attention. Hard to say who was better as the game and league have changed so much. Linden was coached by Quinn in an era where rookies were thrown into the fire. Quinn was a gambler and coached with instincts. Far far different from Willie. Horvat is getting held back IMO, and I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing development wise. Horvat also has a couple of Art Ross/Lindsay award winners in front of him on the depth chart. Linden was clearly the best player on the team when he arrived. EW
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Iike fire his agent and not let his father do the talking. Coho was a great junior star who's ego was much bigger than his talent. In retrospect we could have seen that coming too. The kids helmet was huge. Lol. Coho lacked humilty, yet wasn't brash or able to back things up. So he did what many priveldged kids too, got daddy involved. That's likely a parenting issue, but it also speaks loudly about personal strength and character. He he a back injury, whether he tried to hide it, or AV was mean to him, I have no idea. Cannot see a franchise in the modern era being cavalier with a top ten pick as valued as Coho was. This was the GMMG team with all the extras to max out player production. Coho started to sour on everything in Vancouver after that. He was entitled and it showed. That entitlement is what did him in. He had everything on a silver platter and when things got tougher, he whinned instead of worked. IMO. Hopefully we never pick a guy like that again. Really hard to blame GMMG for this. Coho was highly touted. We had just lost Lic Bourdun and the franchise had just changed GM's. Things were in turmoil. Still it would have been nice to have a Karlsson or Myers. GMMG did not make the same mistake with Horvat, thank god. EW
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So GMMG was not the only one who got it wrong. Sure at the time I loved the pick. Time later gave us a different picture of Cody. So your right if you are only talking about his draft day to draft year plus 1. After that the real Coho started to emerge and his faults became far more apparent. So I am right if we look at his complete career. Split the difference, call it a draw. Either way we are debating history.