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I think Brock is a very talented player that did not recover as well as one would hope from the JV open door injury, then he was never a fast skater. in Jersey, he’s a 30g goal guy and the Flow sells tickets.,. And the ladies in Jersey need a reason to go to the arena too…. The Flow will do that. this season, I don’t know what his struggles were, but they were evident at times. That said, he is a fantastic shooter and just not built for Western Conference. Jack and the Flow… why not. If we could land Jircek and Brock could do it, and we ad our 1st, take back a half decent roster move and or the second? Jircek is a big two way guy that has the potential to be a great two way physically large with a shot RHD.
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Also, with all three playing Center, they carry their lines and can make other bubble players better, therefore creating the ideal scenario to bump up the value of a player, then flip said player for a pick or prospect when it’s good timing, rinse wash and repeat. with those 3 at forward, what’s your prediction for wingers, based on the current roster, with prospects we know of, and at what price. to me, I would rather spend 7 on Bo than 7 on Brock. So in my world the guy being dealt should be Brock, based on the play of Podz and Brock’s Salary. Garland and Podz can carry the minutes that Brock opens up, I hope Hoglander takes the next step, and winger is the easiest position to draft. Pearson is a decent move candidate, but we need to resign Chiasson, he is a good up and down winger. And is a great net presence on the the opening on the Right wing, that’s a place that can be filled in a lot of ways, mostly by Pettersson taking time at Center and wing depending on Bo and or Miller. double shifting whomever of the three is hot. for the money invested, it would be nice to see Dickinson recover next season, and provide the two way, 15 goal and 30 point pace that got him a big contract. He and Lockwood can both take faceoffs, Klimovich could use more time in Abbey, the Defence needs the RHD fixed, for a long time, so that’s why I move Brock, to hopefully pick up the player we need to make Hughes the player he can become. Brock is a big money player, and we have two young wingers with entry level deals that are each capable of potting twenty in Hogs and Podz, Garland is a 20g guy. Then the is prospects Klimovich and Karlsson who both could have a shot at a open spot, if the stars align Either could be capable of potting 20g with Brock’s minutes. That and Pearson can pot 20g too, if things go right. With Miller, Petey and Bo all being legit 30g guys and two way centers, who all make the line they play on better… I see at least 3-4 solid years out of these centers before one moves. And if Petey can take the next step and get to a 90 point plateau with his play in the next two years, we would be happy to get a Center and 200 foot player at 25 for any price.
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All three are still trending upwards, and it’s not like Miller has been slack ar off season training. 26, Bo is called Ox for a reason and Petey is 22. So where and when does the decline at Center happen and why?
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Every game that Podz has been on a top line, at some point, that line mugs a defence man, like a few separate times in the ozone in the corner. It’s either Vasily, or Garland with Vasily and Miller completely boxing in the outlet pass. It’s total, and it often leaves the D man that had the puck on the wrong side of play with his partner and a forward looking at 2-3 players coming at the net. it’s like watching wolves attack in a group. That’s because Podz is so reliable without the puck in all three zones, he can play as deep as anyone and be a third forechecker. Garland plays a bit further back unless he attacks the puck carrier, and waits to pick up the outlet attempt if Podz attacks the puck carrier.. Miller or Petey, Bo.. whomever, takes the back door. It’s not always successful, but each time it is, its a scoring attempt and dangerous. Also, it wears down the defence, forces the forwards to come back and gains offensive face offs if there isn’t a goal, in most cases. that’s a mugging a game or a period. Podz is the guy we all hoped JB would find for us… just a bit late for JB.
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We have a ton of time and it’s not like trading a player of Bo’s or Miller’s caliber is a hard thing to accomplish, at any price. There will be takers.. guarantee Miller brings back more than a late first and third, what JB paid to get him, and Bo could easily get more than the 9th pick this year, so we have a asset rich scenario and time. Petey just got the first of three years.. he also likes it here. as bad as it will be for him to miss the post season, he will also likely shoulder the blame himself with his slow start. Not winning, it’s something Petey hates, but in a healthy way. With Alvin and the management team, I see the club moving in the same direction of the Canes, Pens and others, with the stronger players are paired, and then as a player here or there gets too rich, then the club has a good idea of what type of player and style of prospect to search for to pair with a veteran as everyone climbs and falls the depth chart and cap chart.
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Petey has the same anticipation of Datsyuk and or Forsberg over two hundred feet, when both knew when to intercept a pass before it left the players stick. It’s a killer over a seven game series. Give away counter play that takes away teams mojo faster than a snake bit goalie. the more reps, the more give aways, the more goals that come on breakaways, two on ones as the other team is caught going up ice. That is were I would put his play, but forsberg was a winger PF. With the reach, the build, it’s hard. I think he has a Ron Francis type of consistency and style that will develop, with more defence, two way play that was Datsyuk. He has a Viking in him, he managed to bulk up this last off season, maybe a reason for his slow start. I see him as the second option for face offs, always, but becoming a good solid Center, that is the first option for the PP, unless Miller and Bo are out playing him… then he goes to wing. He needs to bring a full year of the second half play of this year to truly become the guy he clearly can become. this team has never had this deep of a Center ice. This good and deep of wingers, except for Linden and Naslund teams, and the best D man and drafted goalie of all club history. Bruce is the has the best winning percentage of any coach and we have never had a President of Hockey that had two or three cup rings… or that the media liked… so take it and run…
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Quinn Hughes watch...Coming after Lidster
Phat Fingers replied to Kevin Biestra's topic in Canucks Talk
Sorry, but Quinn wouldn’t be just breaking records on our team, but a lot of NHL clubs. Drafting success with first round D men, very difficult and that’s why, with our team and other, they almost avoid doing so. Makar makes Quinn less shinny to some and that’s a difficult comparison, one, Makar has the best possible scenario for all possible success, as much as any player could. Would Dahlin be racking up better numbers in Colorado, and Makar less in Buffalo, yes. so would Hughes, make less points in Buffalo and rack up more in Colorado. that said, I would take Makar, then Hughes, then Dahlin. I don’t think anyone the three would be a wrong choice. But Hughes is a bit like the Twins are, without line mate. Kinda like Bure only played with two Centers, the Legend and the Moose… lol. Hughes needs a RHD partner, a guy that has size, mobility and the skills to handle two way play, but doesn’t need to be the guy each night for the offence on the paring, but can do it when needed as well as any top 4 guy, cost controlled. Until then, we won’t see all that Hughes can do, cause he is not a complete two way player, his size will never get him there. What he could be, is the next Brian Leetch, and with a two way guy that can shoot and drop the gloves and or clear the crease with decent mobility at a young age, like KB3 or Hamhuis, even though we didn’t draft him, and Hughes will take another step. Until then, it going to be an issue. Hughes can’t do it all, he needs a ying to his Yang. -
This is a repeat of the Bo for Schneider move, but this time, it works better for NJD and us. Really easy, fair value and a big fix for both clubs. Brock is the ideal wing man for Jack Hughes. That combo could fill seats in any arena, even Jersey’s… we get their first and draft Jircek. this also frees up our other pick to be used, traded for seconds or for another player we need. we lose salary and gain the long awaited and needed drafted RHD for Quinn Hughes. so we make all the Hughes Brothers happy, as Luke is also going to love playing with Brock. We can also take back cap in any move later, if Brock is dealt for a pick. Let the Flow Go, if he comes back one day one a cheap one year deal to win a cup, then it was meant to be.
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WH, I will start prepping, shots, or beer…. I have to warm up the old liver, it’s not been taking the beating lately that it used too… lol. or can we do bong hits with espresso? way more fun, like a hippy 8 Ball. As for the selections. I like it all, and getting some quantity with quality is a very good thing. Fallers and one riser, the Alvin/Rutherford stamp of the new management focus will come at this years draft. It’s going to be a two step, vs one step… my bold prediction. Alvin moves Brock straight up for a top ten pick. Ala, Schneider for the 9th that became Bo. Same clubs… Brock for the NJD’s first. We draft Jircek, unless Nemec is available. Brock becomes the best thing to ever happen to Jack Hughes and Jiricek and his 6’3 plus 200 lbs filled out is the ideal D partner for Quinn Hughes. I don’t see any reason, with his knee injury that allowed Nemec to supplant him, would be a worry long term. Knees are a well known repair, unlike backs and shoulders. Jircek would be the consensus top D man had he not been hurt. he would have been a very effective top pairing RHD, as much as Nemec and it was his spot. so he is technically a taller faller. Sorry, weed and espresso… don’t knock it… then do the Zona deal. They need a top half first more than anyone. We need seconds more than anyone… makes sense. then take all the same guys, but take Ware over Kyrou. Ware is a sleeper, screams a late bloomer, like a poor man’s Jovo. so much upside. Can’t teach size and with Jurmo looking better, this is a good long term and future thinking move. Plus with Jircek, we don’t need to rush Ware, and he can be developed with a solid plan and access to coaching. ideal test for a defence man factory prototype. If the Brock move was added to your moves, with the preference being Ware over Kyrou, age, and that Ware is virtually untapped. we lose salary at a great time, add a RHD top paring prospect with one to two years away potential, plus depth at key spots to give the pipeline every but it needs to keep producing cost predictable players for roles that expensive journeymen currently occupy, making the core as viable long term as possible. Brock for Hughes! A RHD for Hughes! Win win for the Hughes Brothers!
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If the team wanted to lose Myers, there would be takers, but for a second at most, unless we took back salary. OEL, he isn’t going anywhere. the NMC is a deal breaker and he wanted Vancouver. His play is under appreciated and over looked, because a predictable rough start to a revamped defence that was without its key player for the pre season, so it was a recipe for a early season disaster and JB would not accept that Green was tuned out. Having a 24 million dollar Top 4 is entirely acceptable in the NHL. There is only one LHD spot on the top line and PP. Hughes has that spot. But OEL did really well when Hughes was out for about 6 critical games. The different look actually may have sparked a more effective power play down the stretch, then OEL slid back down and took the Match up minutes, like he did all season long, who else on left side can do that? no one, like ever since the last cup run. we need the same thing on the right side. asking Myers to do both all season long, not effective. He can be very good in a 3 spot, vs a 2 spot like I would say is OEL. So if Hughes was paired with Myers, I think that would be a solid pair. OEL is a great partner for a Nemec or Jircek. with the current roster, Myers and Hughes have had to be split up as Myers matches up and Hughes isn’t made for that type of game. So if elder was a great D man, then OEL is better already, in the same role Elder vacated. Is OEL 1.25 m makes vs the money the club paid Elder or less, it’s hard to say, but the 6m we paid Edler, never covered the games played that Myers and OEL put up, and that alone is a cap savings and need on a young team. look at Miller, Myers, OEL, and Demko and see the games played. We would have been golfing in March had one of those guys gone down for a stretch. then look to the Older nucks on Calgary, all playing more games. But they are the needed depth that knows exactly what to do when the young guns have a bump.
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OEL is as much as Brock is. In terms of play and need on ice. It’s a choice. also when was the last time the Nucks had two plus 30 year old defencemen top 4 putting up over 20 minutes a game and play practically every game? When did Elder last crack 70 games, pre the decline of the Sedin Era? Safe to say, Tanev and Salo never made it after thirty in Vancouver, KB3? Not Hamhuis? this year, two. and they were the match up pair. playing in most of the harder minutes, all yea long, and played, all year long. Asking Schenn to be a day in and day out top 4 RHD is too much, he is a great 5 in a 7 man system. He can play up for a half a game to a stretch in needed for injuries, but not a season planned top 4 guy. would we ask Dana Murzan to play with Hughes ever day? Not if we had a better option. with OEL and Myers being able to handle the season workload and as they had time to gel, the on ice success of the club went up dramatically. but it’s the Hughes pairing that needs to be able to handle any situation and take competitive 5 v 5 play against any line from the start of the year to the finish. With the right guy, this is easily accomplished because Hughes is that intelligent, skilled and has the skating and almost the stamina to go the distance. the whole team ran out of gas when Bo went down. if the Draft can fix this or a big trade for cost controlled RHD that is ideal or a much better option than Luke Schenn, then we don’t need to move OEL or Myers and would be short sided to do so.
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Dermott is a keeper, Myers or Schenn has to be brought back. Having too much D turnover again.. repeating a unnecessary error to unfix the needed overhaul JB did at the start of this year. Myers, he is a yeoman and is playing every game. That, with size and RHD, with a ability to move the puck, but a two way player. at the bottom end, what a guy like that go for on the FA day? 5.5 m? Is the RHD position possible even to address this FA season? or does a swing for the fences trade, either to move up at get our guy, or swing the pick and Brock for a guy ready now. If OEL and Myers had a cost controlled Top 2 RHD playing with Hughes for two to three years, like Nemec or Jircek, then we have an effective and right priced TOP 4. Get a 2nd back, somehow and we get to reduce cap, keep the team young and take the next step, hopefully, to the contender level. Thats the dream post pre season fix, Fine with only that move, keep bringing in guys to produce any
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I think a few things went into drafting OJ, that they wanted the non JV type of character, so they went too far down the rabbit hole into the interview stage, thinking that he would grow into his height. he was really hit hard by Covid, vitamin D deficiencies can make Covid worse, and he is very pale. I here excessively playing video games also hurts the player development. Yet Serge and McAvoy would have been the more critical position of need at defence, with the RHD, and OJ was the consensus D man at that spot. it’s not that there wasn’t impact D men in the top half of the first, even at RHD, it’s that they simply took the wrong one. it was an assessment error. That’s the gamble.
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That’s the breakdown I was looking at too. With our first and a player up too Brock’s caliber to put into any move, it’s not beyond the ability to target either Nemec and or Jircek. Rutherford had some great success with Czeck players. Or Slovak. Ty Nelson is a mini free wheeling guy. Just a bit too many of those on one roster, it’s not the cure for us, but if he is another can’t miss guy, then take him, we can work out details later. not the guy we need, but the position of need makes it so critical to our on ice woes, adjusting the pairs can take more than one move.
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[Discussion] No Boudreau? Potential Head Coaches 2022/2023
Phat Fingers replied to Warhippy's topic in Canucks Talk
I liked that JB always made corrections, but he did have to make mistakes to correct. bringing in a fresh coach, when the first ten games went so badly, well that’s what was needed. 2-3 more wins. That was obtainable. it was time. And yes, the players and fans and organization needed a fresh perspective and the team had very little player personnel moves at all. that’s a decent endorsement for the work JB did put into the club as a whole. he gets way too much slack for the work he did, it will take time, but I think he will be thought of differently in a year or two. so close, this season. 12 more games with Bruce vs Green. That’s all it would have taken. -
Their are some very enticing prospects that could be the ideal partner for our number 1 D man, Nemec, Jircek and Luneau are all in the first. Maybe Jircek is there when we pick, Nemec is climbed a lot.
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We have a very promising young power forward that ads a needed forecheck and physical play that needs time, we have a player that can produce 20 goals in the same ice time for 4.5 m and plays a two way game in Garland. Hoglander is another cost controlled option. So Brock, who was the biggest early disappointment in our forwards this year outside of Dickinson and also up and down with Pearson. So do we free up a top six spot for Vasily and is it better to send out Brock, Garland or Pearson. Sure move Pearson, and that is a big help. That is for a 2nd round pick if we are lucky or cap dump, as we need space. But no on ice up grades. Chiasson makes Pearson an expensive player if Chiasson can be resigned for a raise but club friendly deal. that’s not a bad plan, if the club thinks they have a prospect ready to take up the RHD spot we need so badly for Hughes. Garland is a great role model for Hoglander, who won’t have a long career if he doesn’t start the consistent aggressive puck attacking play without the puck that Garland excels in. Vasily too. The club could land the player we need for Hughes or climb the draft or add another first, all could be asset return that could address the last unicorn for the Canucks, the true top pairing RHD we have been hoping would one day arrive. It’s a prophecy… in deep dark CDC lore, when we finally have a coach, President and GM the Hockey Media doesn’t some how hate for some reason, then the Hockey Gods will reveal the secret of drafting and developing RHD and defensemen in general… I think that Tanev smoked a cigarette playing a game in the SC finals as a rookie and it was like Moses and the Ten Commandments or something… The point is, that Brock gives the biggest Salary relief and will get a good return and it’s a good test for Alvin. Let’s see what Rutherford and Co can do. They have a lot to work with.
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
Phat Fingers replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
So on to what’s next, anyone out there think we could get Dobson of the isles for Brock, straight up? Just trying to ballpark, and had we been able to also draft him, I would have been extremely happy. but with the Isles hitting the aisles early this year, maybe Brock could be a fit for a team that loves Brock’s. Barzel and Boeser could be a 2.0 of Hull and Oates and we get a fantastic skating RHD with upside. and lose salary. Wrong thread, but I am coping. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
Phat Fingers replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Well, if the wheels are coming off, it was one hell of a comeback attempt. Give Demko break boost Halak’s numbers and value and or bring up Martin and Rathbone or Woo or anyone and let all banged up players rest and give Bruce a look at next season and what the farm has for him. the fans would love it, the players gave it their all, but the mismanagement of the early season, combined with the Covid illness of last year, due to most likely douche bag bad faith by a former player first draft pick of the last manager. time to get a lead into the next season, give the injuries being played thru extra healing time and make as much progress for next year now with this really great core that was mis managed by blind faith in a coach and a core that had only been under that coach, except for Bo. The future is bright and Ownership had no choice but to fire JB when JB would not fire Green. Team success always has to be more important than a GM being proved right by most of his pre season moves. two more wins in October and we would been being chased vs chasing down the stretch. 4 more wins in the first 22 and we are a solid playoff bound team. Well &^@# it, I love scouting and drafting, hate most other clubs so I won’t even cheer for the Older Canucks Core in Calgary. JB right, twice over. Had he not &^@#ed up and committed two or three early rookie mistakes, Forsling, Willie D, JV over McCann and Player Name Here, then what he had built was decent. What we have now is a bright next year. We have elite talent at nearly all key positions at mostly a young age with some core veterans. With a puck moving Two way RHD who can be a Physical presence and produce, Ala KB3, we would be a playoff team. With two, we would be contenders. Love Myers, and he has been a Yeoman for us and is really under appreciated do to his contract. We would be a tire fire without him, Schenn and OEL. they had a rough year, but I want to see at least two return and would rather fix the RHD long term properly this time, than rush out and pay too much for a mini Puck Mover, we have one of the best already, he needs a Paryako type player in his future, then we could have a elite top pairing for a decade. on to the post season with the pain and effort left on the table. We all feared with the loss of Bo, it was too tall a last wall, and it appears so. When you leave it all to the last minute, you can’t afford bad luck. Phats.