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[Speculation] Lucic says he would like to play here
Phat Fingers replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
If that pick was 8th OA, I would do it. Prior to that deal going thru, I would have a trade with Eriksson going out, along as we don't lose a pick. Lucic could have some use on our roster. We haven't had a role model for playing nasty on this team. Lucic is nasty. He knows when to use it. That said, I would rather have McEwan come up and resign Schenn as they will drop the mits and would cost alot less. Our best players, while not aggressive, they do push back. Bo will drop the mits occassionally, he destroyed Nurse a few years back. EP40 isn't going to get speed bagged by the Rat and just sit there. Hughes will push back and Brocks flow is do much for anyone to over come. We need to take Rousell's agitation abilities and graft them into Jake. Maybe that's one role Lucic could help with, lighting a fire under JV. That's a big gamble though. -
No cop out. You mahe alot of hyperbolic posts, take black and white stand points. When called out or teased, you accuse others of doing what you do regularly. You will always react aggressively and are easy to provoke. Anecdotally, you appear to have a negative viewpoint in a majority of your posts. If it wasn't for the sourness that comes across when you get yourself backed into a corner I don't know if we would be at odds all the time.
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LE has been jinxed and a bust since scoring an own goal in his first game as a Nuck. He hits alot of posts with his shots, but just cant get seem to get there. For a few weeks, maybe months you stick it out, but 3 years.... He plays a decent two way game and was completey eclipsed by Baer and now Pearson. His only hope to change that is if there is an injury and he can score again. That's not Green, that's LE.
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5th, my statement was sarcasm. Your statement about Agent was hyperbole. Unless you believe in absolutes, neither is true.
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I don't want JB to trade any goalie this year. Unless a unbelievable player is coming back. Marky needs to stick around and Demko is in an ideal back up situation. Dipeitro is untouchable atm and is such an ace in the hole for our future. We are set in goal. Our forwards are ready to take a step and our defense needs a wholesale upgrade.
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Dipietro has an intangible element to his game. Not the biggest goalie and has an unorthodox style but he is a guy that gets into the head of opponents. This guy could be that goalie that wins a con smythe one day.
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Woo has things to hone, this can be done with a 9 game stint, maybe a small injury and a 2 week conditioning stint in the AHL, back to the CHL just before the WJC which he is a team leader in redeeming Canada and off to the Calder cup. Don't think we need to move Woo to Finland just yet. Added to this, thought a bunch of Posters consider OJ a flop, missed puck etc... so why would Salo and Finland improve Woo's development? Hmmmm?
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But that means that OJ is something other than a bust and some posters would have to choke themselves on saying something positive about him. Until he wins the Calder, Norris, Conn Smythe all at the same time, he is a bust cause Tkachuk.
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If our managent team was Lou Lamirilo, Yzerman, Arbour and Bowman and the coaches were Robinson, Trotz and Babcock you would still attack it. Wait a minute.... are you Gallagher's ghost....
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Agreed, My 1st choices since JB came on, Ehlers, Virtannen was my second choice. Everyone bitching about that has to take a mulligan, Pastrnk was the guy guy to get, we all missed him. I would have never even looked at Brock as I undervalued the USHL at the time. The MT/OJ debate was hot prior to the draft. I was pro any defence man vs Forward. MT I was hesitant due to playing with Marner and I did not want Kieth Tkachuk's influence on our young crew I was torn between Serge/OJ/Chyckrun on d. Didnt look hard at McAvoy, no else did either, mulligan. I ended putting my order as Serge, Chyckrun and OJ. I wanted a roster player sooner and put a higher value on that vs end product. Time will tell. Glass all the way, Vlardi and Pettersson were in mix, but I was reluctant to draft Pettersson for same reasons I was reluctant to draft OJ. I hope JB is ultimately right on both picks for the same reasons I was wrong about Pettersson. Bouchard/Dobson/Hughes in that order, but seeing JB's success with Pettersson, I knee that these guys had a way better method than I did. The high fiving and fist pumping at the draft table convinced me. Woo was a guy I really wanted on our team, his abilities are a prefect counter balance for either OJ or Hughes. That's like a bonus pick. JB beats me hands down. The team he is building has character, speed and intelligence. They are tenacious and competitive. The players he is taking mostly dont take any nights off. The few that have, have been ridden hard by the coaches and have mostly improved or were passed by. There is alot of wild cards going into this season and next. We have too many forwards, and alot of young guys in the mix. Players are going to be shipped out and other than EP40, Brock, Bo, Rousell, Pearson and Beagle. Bubble players need to prove themselves, Granlund, Sutter, Eriksson, Schaller, Virtannen, Baer, Goldy, Gaudette, Gaunce, McEwan, Leivo and Motte. That's 12 guys fighting for 7 spots. 5 guys are not going to make it. Gaunce has a sparrow farts chance, but sparrows do fart, so.... Schaller can ride a bus as far as I can see, McEwan I hope does make it, Gaudette has to kill it this summer, I think he is hungry enough to push out Granlund or Sutter, or both. Goldy has to kill it too, Baer just needs to be healthy. Eriksson needs to push it and be a pro, any slow down and I think the team just buys him out or waives him. Virtannen has to be ready to go, Pearson has made him less important, Leivo could also push him out. Motte, just be yourself. It's even more undetermined on defence. After no changes last year, Hughes is going to shake things up. Resigning Edler should be a no brainer. His production was great this year and he has really become the vet in the locker room. He is a team leader now. Tanev could be traded alone or.part of a package. Same with Hutton. Stecher has moved up the depth chart, Schenn is a prefect bottom pairing guy, I would keep him and Biega for now. Trymakin is always a possibility, Sautner, Teves, Brogan, Woo, Caufield, Brisbiois all have a chance. Then there is OJ. His health and fitness issues I hope are put to bed this off season. The skill is there. The brains are there. He has finally got NHL size and he could push out Hutton. The only area that is set is goal with Markstom and Demko. That isnt even looking at FA, trades or the draft. Trouba is likely dealt and or Myers is a FA, Karlsson is an FA and some decent middle.pairing guysbare up, plus any other deals that may be made to make room for somebody. Tampa has to be looking at making some adjustments. It's going to be a crazy off season and I think we will see a much improved roster as a.result.
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I like the mix of young guys pushing for spots next year. Teves Rafferty Juolevi Hughes Woo Sautner Brisbiois Etc A bottom up defence makeover. Cheap contracts and guys who can travel waiver free between the AHL and NHL. Resign Edler and start chopping dead weight. Hopefully we see one or two more guys replaced thru competition.
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CR... I don't believe you are giving the positives of JB and co any credit. If it was you or me drafting, do we take the skinny swedish kid over the big young Canadian? Honestly do we take Brock at 23, Trymakin in the 3rd, EP40? Sure we would have taken Tkachuk, but does that make up for missing those other picks. Gaudette was a steal, Madden was a steal, Brock was a steal, EP40 was a steal and Trymakin was a steal. There are holes in JB's resume you could drive a truck thru, but drafting and scouting is not one of them. Sure Guddy did not work out and neither has Sutter. Eriksson is a bomb. But the return on Guddy was decent, alot of JB's minor moves have turned out nicely, Lievo and Motte for example. Vrbata was a good signing until the playoffs.... The revisionist history always loses one key point, the Sedins. As long as they were on the roster, what could anyone do? Couldn't trade them or win with them. JB took a gamble that they just needed a winger to raise their game and we have Eriksson for 3 more years. Did anyone see Eriksson going on to absolutely flop with his dream assignment? No one did. It could have been worse, Lucic is worse. There has been a lot of bad over the past 4 years, but the areas that JB needs to.be really good at, well he has been really good at. That's scouting and drafting. Take away all the rest for a moment and look at the key to this teams future success and things are going better than at any time in club history. No top 3 picks, no lotto luck, but somehow we have added no just good prospects but some of the best guys out of each class. For everyone he misses, he has found two that are ahead of the curve. That's what this team needs atm. After next season, if the on ice product hasn't improved, I believe JB will be axed. That said, the most important thing JB can do in the next 365 is draft. If they keep the pick or move up/down, I want the guys who picked Brock at 23, EP40 at 5th, Hughes at 7th, Madden in the 3rd at the table.
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Lets open this to discussion Mike Gillis returning President
Phat Fingers replied to aqua59's topic in Canucks Talk
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2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Phat Fingers replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Dont be Mad John.... too soon? Couldn't resist. We all have the equal ability to talk, be right or wrong and get rankled. In many ways the CDC is very democratic. I am watching playoff hockey mostly hoping the team I dislike more looses... it was a toss up with the Leafs VS Bruins. Still everyone knew that game seven, Boston wasnt losing to the Leafs.... hate both... so hard to resist wishing they could both lose game seven. Back to the draft.... we're bored and speculating a bit, so what, it's a fan board. You don't have to read every post, ignore those that annoy you and move on. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Phat Fingers replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I don't see them trading down to target the player they want in the first. JB isnt afraid to go off board to grab a guy they believe in. If they do stay ar 10, it is to get a guy they want there. There will be some pressure on the hist city to want to make a splash too. Trading down is tantamount to hari Kari with the fan base and media talking heads. -
Gaudette is already a 3rd liner as a rookie. Seem to remember many such poster as your self calling Bo Horvat being a 3rd liner at best a few years ago. I do think you underestimate Gaudette by a wide margin. He was the best player in College Hockey last year, now is getting regular NHL minutes, so how is he a '3rd liner at best' in your estimation? The only issue with Gaudette is his draft position. His development has been outstanding and if you think he is at his peak, then we can stop talking cause your a fool. If you agree that Gaudette has not reached his peak, then you would have to admit his development has been outstanding and that JB got one of the steals of that draft. Do you think Turcotte is winning the Hobey Baker trophy is 2-3 years? Do you think in 2-3 years Turcotte will be taking regular minutes in the NHL on par with Gaudette play in 2-3 years? Whom will be playing more meaningful NHL minutes next year? Gaudette or Turcotte? How about in 2 years? Gaudette or Turcotte? 3 years? Gaudette or Turcotte? Gaudette is 3 years ahead of Turcotte and has an outstanding resume. Or do you think the Lanche are not ecstatic that Makar won the Hobey Baker? The Avalanche just added Cal Makar to their defence. They have Zadora, Johnson and Barrie already. They are fast approaching a win now mode, how much is it going to take to re sign Mack, Ratannen and Landeskog? They have Jost so a secondary offense first center is there, but who do they have to play the hard minutes ala Ryan Kesler? That's what they need and why Turcotte is being talked about in the first place, cause he is a very capable two way center that can score. Isn't that what Gaudette is as? Is Gaudette alot closer to being that player, yes. Will Turcotte be a better player? Who the $%#* knows. The player picked with the 10th pick could become better than either. The value is subjective and the price is speculative so how can you be so sure that I am wrong for talking about it? From reading your post, I dont think your opinion is the gold standard. Colorado might like other players nearly as much as Turcotte if they are going center, they may forecast that one to two of those players will.be available at 10 and feel the value is there between getting a player to help them next season and the player they draft at 10. Beyond the 3-4 spot, well it evens out for the next 6-8 picks. They can always ask for more if they think JB is opening up his wallet. As for your emaphise on the draft plus 1 year stats.... I think you are literally pulling stats out of your ass like they are definitive measurements. To believe that a players stats, especially in a defensive position on a declining team are somehow an ironclad way to assess their value and predict their development ultimately is ridiculous. OJ was on a torrid pace until.he was sidelined by injury last year in the AHL. 13 points in 18 games. His PPG was one of the highest as a rookie in the league. He has the second highest U 20 scoring as a d man in Ligia history, as a rookie in Ligia play Hieskanan was a second year Ligia player, although a year younger. Hard to not be encouraged by OJ on ice play. His injury woes.... well that is another story, but not insurmountable by any stretch. That's pretty good. Far from a right off. The kid is 21. He missed 3/4 of last season due to injury but is expected to fully healthy for camp this fall. Like 100% ready. It is expected he will go back to the AHL for a partial season before he jumps to the big club.... sounds like a bust. Like I said, if we cant agree that Gaudette has had a very outstanding development curve and has not yet peaked, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
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I missed that Vipre, I dont think I read your post but can I say that I totally agree. Props and no credit taken.
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2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Phat Fingers replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
There is alot of dead weight around and I would be happy to see some guys traded for a couple of pucks. I dont see our current roster remaining intact into training camp. At least I hope so. Still cap management is a big factor moving forward. -
I dont value Tanev as a super trade chip, but his salary is way lower and could be attractive to a team needing to be cap aware. Trouba was trouble to sign last time, what he going to cost this go around? Myers could be resigned and the Jets could save cap. Tanev would be a good 4th d man on any roster. That's what I value him at a good second pairing d man. The 10th keeps the prospect pool producing in the peg, a key long term strategy that many on this board wish happened a number of years ago. No one is fooling Chevelday (sp?) So I doubt JB would pull one over on him. Vancouver could add, the 2 pieces I suggested are a basis point. Do you have any ideas or are you just popping off at me for having one? We have time while we wait to see what happens at the draft.
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So I will respond to my idea/suggestion as a basis for discussion. I do want to point out a few things, Gaudette is a Hobey Baker winning center who made the NHL in his rookie pro season. He tracks to be a solid 2nd/3rd line center, plays an aggressive two way game in the same style as Kesler. Take away his draft position, in a redraft he is a 1st rounder. This draft has a two tiered top 10. The top 3/4 are higher end unless a team goes off the board. The second tier is 5 thru 10 with not much separation between players. Some could say 5 thru 12. So if Colorado wants a center and isn't set on Byram and Vancouver comes along and offers a center they like and the 10th pick so they can grab another player they, well what's the issue. If they like Turcotte, they could/should be interested in Gaudette. If other pieces need to be added, well both sides have a line they wont Cross. You think we would have to ransom our future, I dont think it would be that high. Want to add, Gaudette is not inconsquencial. He is a highly rated prospect. They don't give out Hobey Baker awards for nothing. Seeing as Colorado just had their prospect win it, they might know who won it last year. If their GM doesn't know Gaudette, he should spend some time following hockey.
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2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Phat Fingers replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Woo could be good with either Hughes or OJ. He has the skating and physical presence while still providing offence. I do think Woo is a blue chip prospect who would.have been a 1st rounder had he not been injured for so many games in his draft year. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Phat Fingers replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
IMO Gaudette is a very valuable piece to add to a deal. If Chi passes on Byram, I dont think he gets past Det. I think LA's pick isnt really on the block and with Cozens, Turcotte and Dach around, I see them taking a huge team need. Colorado is far more interesting. They have a golden ticket without a huge team need. They are on the upswing and might be more inclined to go with a player who is already an NHLer, but still on the entry level deal and a few years ahead of whomever they could pick at 4. Turcotte vs Gaudette.... well lots to discuss, but Gaudette is playing in the NHL now, has done very well in the lower ranks and cracked the NHL in his his first year of pro hockey. Gaudette is more of a sure thing, plus the 10th.... If Colorado was a non playoff team still rebuilding.... they keep the 4th. But I think their window is now open. I am happy to keep Gaudette and the 10th, take Krebs and keep building. Some want to move up and take Cozens, good idea. I still want to add to the defence and no one player would do more from this draft to boost our defence than Byram. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Phat Fingers replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
If the targeted player isnt there at 4 then no deal. This does happen, PLD in the Mathews Draft is last time I can remember. The rumour that floated out after was Subban for our pick if PLD was still available. I see no reason why JB would be adverse to moving up if the player he wanted was there. The draft is in Vancouver and a splash is always welcome. -
I don't see us affording EK, Edler and Tanev. At min Tanev would be dealt. I would love to see a Edler EK pairing, but I also want to see an Edler Hughes pairing. Getting EK and Hughes, great for 2 years and then EP40 and Hughes are up for huge contracts, Edler likely gone, but Eriksson is still here with an anchor for one more year and Bo will up for another contract. Brock will get a big pay day this summer too. If we keep adding from the draft and can plug in support players on ELC and decent rfa deals around these guys, then yes. That's a huge if. Especially with a 7/12 contract hanging around our necks. Also Louongo and the cap recapture could hit in the next 2-3 years. I dont want to find this team in the same cap hell that the Leafs and Coilers are in.
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I disagree with the Masses this foward group is not the probem
Phat Fingers replied to Arrow 1983's topic in Canucks Talk
OP, Agreed that it sour defence that needs fixing vs anything else. A nice add to our top six at the draft is a good thing as any player at 10 wont be on our roster for 2-3 years. I disagree about EK, because while cap won't be a concern in the next 2 years, after that it becomes a huge concern. Ep40 could get a huge deal, same with Hughes. While having EK on our roster with Edler is awesome for 2-3 years with Edler coming off the books, that 12m EK contract will kill our cap when we would need it most. When all of the current group of young guns and prospects are all signing big increased contracts. IMO Hughes will be better than you believe, but not a 50 pt next season I could see him cracking 40pts though. He more than doubled zone exits and entries vs any other d man in his small sample of games with limited ice time. That's what we need more than points. Hughes makes that happen, that's why OJ was picked. They transition the puck with possession tot he forwards, either with precision passing, OJ, or patty kane like skating and stick handling like Hughes. Both skill sets are in desperate need and with that key issue being addressed, why bust the bank on EK with full term and dollar? My take, but I agree with everything else you are saying, just think we can look past EK to a more rounded vet d man and still bring up our young guys this season.