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If Ehlers goes before we pick, as long as Draisatl goes before as well I am happy. I am not big on him but any of the rest of the big 5 I'd be pleased with. Dal Colle will be an effective winger, James Neal type with actually more finesse to his game Bennett nothing needs to be said Reinhart/Ekblad clear top 2 So if we can end up with Dal Colle or Bennett that would be great as they are highly talented players as well... I do think there may be some surprises in the 3-5 range this year
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1. Linden is not the GM 2. Linden is not the head scout He wants competitors and will expect the GM/scouts to take the best player available in the context of our prospect pool and future needs, assuming he hires a smart strategic GM its not about finding Linden clones man again, oversimplification Oh and ps, Eric Lindros and Milan Lucic are not in this draft nor is someone even close to as good with all those qualities (hit, skate and score) ie Cam Neely available in this draft and if they were they wouldn't be available when we pick.
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interesting that you seem to discount 100+ pts in the Q in his rookie year and the only other player prior to Ehlers that has done that was Crosby but hey ya he doesn't have great offensive ability go back to reading the hockey news and watching youtube for your views oh and your point on size, ya it doesn't matter when you look at our prospect pool for the 28th time, we have size, we lack elite talent, maybe that;s the 29th time i've said it not sure but you might want to check that prospect pool for yourself if you think size is an issue for the canucks in the future thanks for trying - oh and no need to respond i'm tired of your childish nonsense, I'm blocking you so I don't need to listen to your poorly thought out views.
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Its very interesting because I think many have assumed because of draft position that Horvat will be our number 1 of the future (barring a good pick for a real offensive center/trade), but Cassells may actually steal that role. As you say he has very good vision and plays Toews type of game. Not a hitter but smart and gritty. Morrison was not a great 1c but an efficient/effective one given his wingers and his role. I can easily see Cassells being as effective as Morrison or his father in that role if he has wingers like Shink/Jensen/Kassian.... He may very well be a steal of that draft. I do think last year the scouting staff did an amazing job selecting, there are a number of potential NHL'ers in that group! Gaunce is really a 3c in my mind. This was his overage year and he didn't dominate as an offensive overager should. He barely had more ppg with a stacked team in Erie that he did in Belleville. If he can up his skating explosiveness, he will be an effective player in the NHL at 3c but I don't see him being more than that. Then again Bobby Holik was never a prolific scorer but a hell of a shut down man
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1. You're implying it via your arguments (ie Ritchie - Horvat - kassian would mean two physical wingers and a guy in the middle who'll hold his own) 2. If you think Ritchie has the same level of offensive talent as Ehlers well you're smoking the good stuff 3. WCE - please look at the line Patrick Kane plays on and tell me how big it is. Please tell me how big the line Claude Giroux plays on is, please tell me how big the line Nathan McKinnon plays on, then proceed to tell me again is, that a line the size of the WCE cannot dominate NOW lmao.... 4. I didn't compare Ehlers to Kane, Dale Tallon did, the man who drafted Kane, you must be smarter than him - NO ONE in the NHL is comparing Ritchie to Lucic thanks for trying
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absolutely, speed can only be increased marginally, game smarts/iq cannot be taught, and skill can only be developed so far in the end the easiest thing to overcome is a lack of strength as you say...alot of people simply dont get it...
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really? make stuff up/outdated scouting reports? hahahha you might want to look at how Elhers has moved up the charts since the start of the year and by the way no one is saying 'terrible mistake if they don't take ehlers', at least not most of us, we are saying take the most talented player which if you played hockey as you say, you'd get incorporates alot more than size if you played hockey as you say, you'd understand there are nuances to player's games that most people (and certainly on cdc) do not see, those nuances are things that can indicate the ability to take their game to the next level whatever their strengths and deficiencies. ie can those nuances indicate they can overcome their deficiencies, improve and become solid professional players. please mr pretend player, show us some hockey knowledge before you want to debate.
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dude its the point wow...you think teams are just made up of big candian guys? you need scorers/game breakers and it doesnt matter where they are from, and btw we have almost a full roster of big canadian kids in our prospect pool, please think a bit sorry folks but this obsession with size/canadian has gone beyond stupidity. one person above said a line of Ehlers Horvat and Kassian wouldn't be as good as a line of Rithie Horvat Kassian 1 Because Horvat's ceiling isnt very high - says who? its higher than Kesler's when he was drafted 2. Because Kassian doesn't hit - umm offensive lines dont need to 'crash and bang to be successful' the same people argue we need to be a puck possession team then argue our big guys don't play a dump and chase and hit game lol...they cant even see the absolute irony in that statement. Moreover, the issue is USING SIZE ALONG THE BOARDS TO WIN PUCK BATTLES AND USING THE BODY TO GAIN POSITION AND GETTING TO THE NET, YOU DONT NEED TO HIT TO DO THAT.. 3. Ritchie may be good he may be a bust, but CDC;'ers just assume he's going to be great lol oh and he has much less ability that Ehlers 4. I remember a line of Naslund Morrison Bertuzzi, which by the way is smaller than Ehlers/Horvat/Kass and it was pretty damn effective 5. I see a pretty small player in Patrick Kane on the wing in Chicago, he sucks ya.
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Datsyuk sure as hell wanted a cup Chara sure as hell wants another cup Zetterberg sure as hell wanted a cup Forsberg sure as hell wanted a cup Lidstrom sure has hell wanted a cup Fedorov sure as hell wanted a cup Elias sure as hell wanted a cup Larionov sure as hell wanted a cup Jagr sure as hell wanted a cup Holmstrom sure as hell wanted a cup Zubov sure as hell wanted a cup oh and guess what, all of those names were pretty instrumental parts of their team's winning a cup or more shall i keep going? lmao.... such a stupid comment man
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skates well for a big player = average skater regardless the point is size does not = guarantees! talent, skill, and speed are typically more valuable, especially when you look at our prospect pool and realize we have alot of 2 way players with size, but lack gamebreakers....which i have now said 27 times
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Alot of people were yelling about Kyle Beech because he was a big BC boy a few years back... Alot of people were focused on size, point totals quite close to Vertanen and Ritchie Where's the Beach? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1707809-chicago-blackhawks-coming-to-terms-with-the-enigma-that-is-kyle-beach wow sounds like he had a game alot like Virtanen, and is bigger...hmm and yet Jordan Eberle fell to 22 the same draft year because of concerns over size In fact Eberle's numbers in his draft year aren't even close to Ehlers, even if you adjust for WHL / QMHJL scoring differentials. You want comparables folks there they are Take Ehlers
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thanks, that dude is just a troll but yes it was an error...he's the highest scoring rookie since crosby, and the point is not he's as good as crosby but CLEARLY he has offensive talent that is elite
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we don't need slow and big, that's easy to find, alot of slow big players with hands end up being career ahl'ers....speed kills in the nhl, we can see it....we lack it, speed/elite skill is one of the biggest issues we will have in our future group as long as ehlers doens't have mayray disease which is pretty easy to assess, he should be taken if available(assuming Dal Colle, Reinhart, Bennett are gone, and Ekblad clearly will be)
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there's no doubt there's risk man, but people are assuming that Ehlers who is the same size as naslund has more risk than Virtanen just because of size...think about this 1. All else being equal of course you take a player with size, but operative words here are all else being equal, things never are equal right, that's the trick in drafting! 2. So there are tradeoffs. But posters here seem to imply that just because a player has more size (even if he has less skill, speed, or hockey iq, that the size translates into some sort of certainty that such player won't bust, or has less probability of busting that said 5'11 player). 3. This argument is so incredibly silly its beyond belief. NO ONE can predict which players will succeed or not. There are many many many players of all sizes who have busted in the first round, size is not the sole determining factor in NHL transition, if it were well there would be No one under 6'1 in the NHL 4. While it is an important factor it is no more important that the others I mentioned, along with many many other factors. 5. When in a position to draft elite skill (which has not been the case for about ten years for us), it is probably logical, strategic, and smart, to look at your FUTURE lineup needs and address those and take the most gifted offensive player available, given the size in the future lineup is certainly not lacking but pure skill is. 6. I am not saying Ehlers will be Giroux part II, nor will Virtanen be Iginla part II, what I am saying is people need to think about everything in balance vs cherry picking constantly because they have a chubby for a certain player. None of us know who will pan out, but in my view, any kid who is 5'11 and has scored the most goals as a rookie in the Q since a kid named Crosby did in his rookie year should not be 'dismissed' as many here are suggesting. If you've played the game you'd realize what kind of feat that is, ask yourself, would Virtanen or Ritchie have done the same? Unlikely. Who may have? Reinhart and Bennett...he's simply in that class.
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no loss either way for us... I really like Ehlers but if somone takes him before us, as long as we're not stuck with Draisatl I'm happy from that group of six (worried about Draisaitl's skating)
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the point about hockey iq is important. he is a one dimensional player. its not that he 'isn't using it'. if he played a 'smart game' it would be visible in his play. he simply plays one way and its a way that wont necessarily translate well against much bigger and faster professional players... one dimensional players are easy to stop and its never a good idea to draft them unless they have the talent of a guy like bure, who could get away with it...this guy is not bure talent
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I'd rather see Ehlers and Fleury personally.... Future of Tanev, Fleury, Corrado, Stanton is a nice top 4
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you cant win with people who are revisionist in their own views of things man
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1. Agree, especially since he had no depth so save their energy but he was also trying to set a tone on the team of everyone has to play a balanced game- i get it but he needed to adjust given circumstances, so yes good in theory, bad pragmatically 2. Kassian was developed/is developing the way he is BECAUSE he was on the 3rd line. You gave torts credit for Kass and Jensen then say he handled him wrong? He handled him right, he is developing into a much better 200 ft player because he needed to learn how to play in his own end first, how to play hard on the boards and use his body / size...playing a finesse game would not have brought that out. Again, you gave torts credit then say he did it wrong, disagree he handled Kassian Perfectly 3. He stuck with Edler to try and help Edler 'work out' of his funk and his problems. He needed Edler to be better and have to give Torts credit for understanding you don't correct a player's confidence and mental issues by getting in his head and making him more worried and sitting him. Handled him right, but the problem is with Edler 4. Chip the puck in - Big fallacy of fans about his system. Torts does not tell players dump it in and chase it all the time, but rather KNOW WHEN to carry and know when to chip and chase. Players implemented this wrong. 5. Kesler/Sedin Ice time - lack of depth and injuries, no choice - This is MG's fault 6. Shot blocking - every team in the NHL preaches getting in the shooting lanes, why do you think we miss the net so much from the point? Our dmen are not bad, other teams are simply effective at getting in the lanes. Stars on every team lay their bodies on the line in the playoffs, and this is what Torts wanted ingrained, but our pufters whine about it. Yzerman, Gilmour, on and on, stars who fought for cups blocked shots. The Sedins were not hurt blocking shots, Kesler was not hurt blocking shots, most of our players were not hurt blocking shots, another wonderful media simpleton view fallacy
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because torts wanted them to play hard, fight for pucks, win battles and not play a loosey goosey pufter game that doesn't work in the playoffs oh..ya that didn't work well so its torts that is the problem, not that his players won't play hard lol
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If Kesler is gone as well for a good trade I'll be ok with this If Kesler had a hand in this from his prima donna attitude and stays I will not be happy with this
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wow i can't believe the sharks choked on this one.. that team is going to have mental issues now...always choking then being up 3-0 and collapsing and losing 5-1 at home? ouch...i actually dont mind the sharks, i like them better than LA that's for sure. I like Jumbo Joe and Marleau, both classy players....and always loved Torres LA/Anaheim is going to be a war
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lol...really linden and bure at 40 years old hey? oh btw if you insert 2 older players (mitchell and manny), it means 2 spaces less for the youth we need in the lineup right?
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I never said trevor told Farhan mr clueless...i said Farhan was disrespectful by not allowing Trevor to do his job and then reporting it
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Please not Mclellan, he's been coaching a team of chokers of infinite proportions