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Appreciate your post. But before someone (not referring to you Alex) accuses me of bashing Benning and derailing the Brisebois thread, I shall preface my response by saying I'm a fan of JB (and think he's good for the Canucks) and that I like the Brisebois pick. Brisebois seems to possess the tangible and intangible attributes of a quality player and person. I agree that picking players at the draft is a consensus decision, with the GM ultimately making the call. However, Benning appeared to be highly regarded while he was with the Bruins for his talent evaluation, so I will go as far as to say that Benning may have been the most influential person on Chiarelli when it came to making picks for the Bruins. Unfortunately, the Bruins haven't had many picks turn into NHL players (yet) during Benning's time there. So, what I'm saying is that based on the limited success the Bruins had while JB was a significant and influential person when it came scouting and drafting, it is within the realm of possibility that some, if not a disproportionately higher amount of responsibility falls on Benning, and of course Chiarelli. There's no denying the Sabres had great success turning draft picks into NHL players while Benning was a member of their scouting staff, and your research more than verifies that. I can't help but think that a big part of his reputation as a shrewd scout comes from the 10+ years he spent with the Sabres and less so with what he contributed in Boston. I'll close by saying that I like the picks that Benning has made at the past two entry drafts (and that's without the benefit of working with the scouting staff at length before heading into the 2014 entry draft -- so I would assume that the 2014 entry draft was driven almost entirely by Benning's own intel). The man is without doubt a tireless worker, so I'm glad that we have him as the GM of this club.
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Yeah, 'coz that's exactly what's being said. A little bit of reading comprehension will do you wonders in life. And yes. Let's keep this a Brisebois thread, there champ.
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You will get no quarrel from me...you're right in that Chiarelli had the final say, but it seemed to me that given the amount of time Benning was shown as part of the Neely-Chiarelli-Benning triad during the 2011 SCF, you gotta think that Benning had a lot of influence (and I am going to bet that Chiarelli deferred to Benning in areas that Benning had more knowledge and expertise than he, given that that's how most executive/management relations work in most enterprises). I'm sure Chiarelli and Neely set the vision and definition of players they wanted and it was Benning and his staff that went out and looked for players based on these parameters. I agree that JB has a reputation as a tireless worker and elite evaluator of talent...I think we're all counting on these attributes to be the case so that we can have a contending team sooner than later. I like how the last two drafts have gone and am hopeful that the players that have been picked form the foundation of a top tier team that can sustain their place atop of the league for many years to come. But like I posted earlier, the drafting record of the Bruins (I'll stop saying Benning) hasn't been that stellar from 2006 to 2014 (2006 and 2014 don't count since Benning was not part of the Bruins staff at the entry draft).
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Too much partying. That apparently was the knock on him. Anecdotal evidence that he was living large in the off-season in the lower mainland when he should have been training. I think he's somewhere in Europe now where he as a small, perimeter player with average skating skills is being fully exploited.
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A little background research would do you good. Vey was on a two-way one year contract last season. And if you recall, it took a little time getting Vey signed. So much so that Tony Gallagher, in his infinite wisdom, was touting how Vey had all this leverage because he was the only right-handed center, and because of it, Vey was in a position to make all kinds of ridiculous demands. Baertschi's camp is doing what's best for Baertschi. Nothing wrong with that. Benning is doing what's best for the team. That's how these negotiations work...I know it's a tough concept for someone of your immense intelligence to understand. Watch Baertschi sign a one year bridge deal for $850,000 to play in the NHL and $75K to play in the AHL, which is less than what he would have got if he signed his QO. Even Jordan Schroeder was smart enough to accept a one-way $600K deal after he was offered a QO for his ELC+1 contract.
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The only thing that I'm remotely right about is tempering expectations with a little dose of reality...other than that, I'm most likely talking out of my @$$, because honestly, I'm not a hockey insider so all I can base my comments on are historical stats. We all have high hopes that Benning is going to recreate some of the drafting magic he showed when he was with Buffalo (where he built his reputation), but as you say we gotta give the man a chance to show what he can do. Benning's the guy who scouted Zach Hamill...you know, the rock star from Coquitlam who probably needs re-constructive surgery for his nose septum and that amounted to being a big zero in the NHL.
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What mangosteens said^^^. Except there is no "i" after "ll" in Guillaume Brisebois' name. Benning should just make it easy on himself and call Guillaume Brisebois Billy or Willy (you know, the anglo equivalent).
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There's no doubt that Benning is a hard working, humble guy with strong roots in scouting. But IMO, his ability as a "talent" evaluator is over-rated. We all agree that Benning was the de-facto head of scouting while wearing the AGM hat during his tenure with the Bruins. Do you know how many of those players drafted while Benning was with the Bruins have played over 50 NHL games? Six. Count 'em...six. That's six in the 6 years that he was fully engaged with the Bruins. One was a no brainer (Tyler vs. Taylor). The others are Dougie Hamilton (178 games), Jordan Caron (159 games), Joe Colborne (160 games), Ryan Spooner (60 games) and Craig Cunningham (59 games). It can be argued that there is a decent stable of young players playing in Providence (Camara, Ferlin, Khoklachev, Subban to name a few), but until they play in the NHL, all they are are promising prospects. You know what else five of the guys that were drafted under Benning's watch have in common? They all ply their trade in a city other than Boston. Though I'm optimistic about what Benning brings to the table as far as talent analysis and accumulation, let's be a little realistic about the man and the circumstances that dictate whether he is as good as you make him out to be.
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Jiminy Crickets...BanTSN is making some sense here. What's the world coming to? Nice post, Ban.
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In the videos posted, he looks like a 17 year old version of a left-handed Chris Tanev...seems to me the Canucks got a good one.
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I get what you're saying...but here's the flip side to your point -- more kids that go to college end up signing with the team that drafted 'em. Don't know the exact number, but I'm guessing that for every one that goes UFA, 9 signs with the team they were drafted by. I'll take those odds. Gonna state the obvious...there's no guarantees in life. A junior A player can decide not to sign with the team that drafted him and re-enter the draft just as easily as college grad going UFA.
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This and other clips you've put up VC makes me think he's a mature, serious, humble and hard-working kid. There's a lot to like about Brock Beoser.
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"It is what it is" = bad attitude, apparently.
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Nice hysterical satire...you do it well.
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I see leadership written all over this kid...I loved the way he took Tryamkin under his wing during the Prospects Camp. In Gaunce, I think we have the makings of a complete hockey player...someone who can give you 15G/15A while shutting down opposing teams' top line either from the wing or at the centre position. I think if we're patient, we're going to be rewarded with a real reliable 2-way player who can play in all situations.
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I'm not so sure it should be a major point of concern that Virtanen didn't light the WHL offensively this season. I thought he asserted himself well enough offensively given that he missed the first quarter of the season and that he appeared to be working on using is line mates better, playing a more rounded/pro-style game, all the while continuing to develop his physical game. Just an opinion, but I have a hunch that Virtanen's game is going to keep growing after he turns pro, while kids like Ehlers and Nylander may be nearing their peak now or will be doing so soon. As well, I think Virtanen's north-south/straight line, bang-hard, shoot hard, go-to-net while protecting the puck (which he seems to do well at the junior level) is going to translate well in the NHL. I'm pretty excited about Virtanen...maybe even moreso than I was about Horvat. I can see a Horvat-Virtanen combo being very effective for years to come. I say this because Horvat-Kenins was pretty effective and Kenins is what I would consider to be a poor-man's version of Virtanen. Imagine Virtanen being the guy going hard north-south and to the net, creating space for Horvat to use his strength and speed to create and finish plays. Find these guys a left winger whose key attribute is a quick and hard release as the last man coming into the zone and I can see this line scoring their fair share of goals off the rush. I'm thinking the coach could even put a slug like Fox with these guys and he'd be successful.
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Complete rubbish. 6.3% more goals were scored per game in the QMJHL vs. WHL (and QMJHL = OHL), so that's a strawman argument if ever there was one.
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Stupid and delusional is no way to go through life there, desi.
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Are you really this stupid? Rhetorical question, because 99.9% of CDC members would probably say you fall into the severely impaired category of the IQ chart. Well I guess the one good thing about our severely challenged friend desiboy is that he's refrained from giving rim jobs to Sanguinetti, Subban and Grenier.
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Watch the two of them collide and pop each others' shoulders out and be done for nine months each.
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What if McNally is the second coming of Randy Gregg? In case you don't know who Randy Gregg is, he's the 6'4" 215 lbs. defenceman who made his NHL debut at the age of 26 year old after getting his medical degree and playing international hockey in Japan for two years (which is like taking two years off) and for Fr. Bauer in the Canadian National Program. He went onto to be a stalwart NHL d-man for 7-8 seasons finishing his career with the Canucks. Would you say no to a guy like that? McNally has the potential to be that kind of a guy. EDIT: Should also add that Gregg signed with Edmonton, his hometown and U of A, where he got his med degree. So, I stated this in the McNally thread and will say again...if I'm McNally, I would exercise my right to become a UFA and sign with a team that is closer to my hometown or alma mater (Long Island and Cambridge, respectively). My bet is that he'll wait and become a UFA and sign with the Bruins. If he cracks the Bruins line up, he's back in Harvard...if not, he's down the road to Providence, home to another Ivy League school, Brown University. If not the Bruins, then NYR, NYI, Philly, NJ or Washington would be where I'd expect him to look. All their farm teams are close to Harvard.
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Too late...the dude canuktravella is about as smart as Kevin Lowe.
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Be that may, did you see any of his play from the Young Stars Tourney this past summer? McEneny and Jeremie Blain were literally the worst players out there. One overager (McEneny) and third year pro (Blain) getting their @$$e$ handed to them by prospects from the Flames/Oilers/Jets. They both looked a a couple of deers in the headlights. Will be interesting to see if another year in the OHL has allowed McEneny to advance his game...otherwise, he's going to be so far down the depth chart that he may be calling a town like Evansville home for the rest of his ELC.
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If your post wasn't depressing enough, I will add to it... Of all the players drafted under Gillis' watch, only 7 have ever played any games in the NHL (Nik Jensen - 24 GP; Frank Corrado - 28 GP; Jordan Schroeder - 77 GP, 56 with the Canucks; Kevin Connauton - 94 GP, none with the Canucks; Cody Hodgson - 284 GP, 71 with the Canucks; Yann Sauve - 8 GP; Bo Horvat - 63 GP and counting). In a combined 578 GP at the NHL level, these players have scored 98 goals and have 117 assists. Pretty sad. Hopefully Gaunce, Shinkaruk, Cassels, Subban, Jensen, Corrado, Grenier, McNally and Hutton can make their mark in the NHL one day...if not, at the very least provide some organizational depth. Like someone else has mentioned, thank goodness for UFA signings that have turned out well...Tanev is equivalent to a mid/late first rounder...Lack = late second rounder...Kenins = late second/early third rounder...Weber = late second/early third rounder...Stanton (a waiver pick up) = late second/early third rounder.
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You mean the 3 stooges?