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  1. Yes it is. I really like Myers, and don't have any issue with him as a player or a teammate. If cap didn't matter, i'd love if he finished up his contact with us, and re-signed to anchor the third pairing (and move up as needed) at around 2.5 If the cap kept going up Myers would actually look just fine now too. That said Manson to me is an upgrade on Tanev (which says a lot!). Tougher, faster, and just as nasty if not more then Myers and Edler. Does all the right things. Scored some big goals for COL. Actually feel he's got untapped offense as well, given he never played on a team with lots of firepower. Match him with QHs and that would become one of the best lines in hockey. He could be our Toews (another Sakic steal!). QHs and Manson could end up playing 25-27 minutes a night. OEL/?? that's the rub. We can go over the cap in the summer so signing Manson would be fine and we'd find a partner for Myers somewhere (Dallas was mentioned and actually makes some sense). Problem with this is we likely overpay Manson. And there will be a lot of teams vying for his skillset.
  2. It's very shocking. Marchment was the most hated guy in the NHL when he played, 17 or so suspensions, many in todays game would be half a season in length instead. I remember him trying to take our guys knees out when he was in EDM (Linden included). Also said some nasty things to Brashear. Was a real pest, dirty as they come and a warrior. Him and Cooke are up there for ruining players careers, or significantly degrading them. Samuelsson and Kasper and Marchment reigned supreme as the most hated NHLers at the time ... Cooke head hunted Bryan M knee hunted. Taking guys out by the knees was his trademark ... was actually a very good player though, and unlike Cooke would back up his play rather then go hide somewhere (one of his suspensions was for instigating 3 fights in one season). Very sudden, wonder what happened to him? For sure puts a cloud over this years draft for the folks there.
  3. Yes. Losing Tanev was a mistake. Same with Edler but get they'd just be patch, but so was Hamonic! Manson ... a five year deal would be great for us. He's in the catbirds seat after holding down COL second pairing and managing Byram (who id also like but then one of those guys needs to play their off side) ... Manson has been on my most wanted list now for three years. Get trading in your own division is rare for players like him...ANA will miss him for sure.
  4. It really depends on the market. Doesn't like what Dallas has been offering him and you can bet that if it's about money (which appears to be the case), 7 million in Dallas is like 8.1ish in Vancouver ... and then there's the term. He's looking for a full term deal! We've already got a Klingberg on the left side and seen what happens to a PMDs stats when the power play no longer is boosting his production. 20-25 5 x 5 points is actually pretty darn decent, only around 50 guys managed 25 or more ... Tanev had 28 wow good for him (and too bad we didn't keep him right?!)...Klingberg got 27. Ceci... i said go after him and was burned for it - he also had 25 ... OEL 19, Myers 17 ... not good enough. 99/118 overall. RHDs for sure get paid way more then LHDs and for a reason...as an aside Bouchard tied QHs with 35 ... Edit: As an aside Klingbergs name doesn't come up often, however he's been one of the leagues highest point getters since his rookie season in 2014-2015. He ranks 8th. 7.5 x 8 seems a reasonable ask, despite his age - i sure wouldn't want to get into a price tag like that. Cap will go up the third year of his next deal. If Klingberg offered more on the D side of the puck maybe it would be worth considering upgrading with a Myers trade. Personally i'd much rather go after Manson on a five year deal. Would solidify our right side, and give the team some time to draft and or trade for younger replacements. We made a huge mistake letting Mitchell walk, and instead signing Ballard eventually. Those guys are worth their weight in gold. McDonagh actually does a good job at 33, can see why NSH traded for him. They just got a lot better, especially if Forsberg re-signs. Our team has its work cut out for them given LA also just got better too.
  5. Some of our best offensive guys ever where pretty guilty of cherry picking and or not back checking. Naslund and Bertuzzi were great at not helping lol. Bure too, but at least in his case he was so dangerous the other team always had to keep guys back (or risk getting burned, Bure scored on most his breakaways)... Miller sometimes tries to much and looses the puck ... that's part of the package, sometimes it works and he scores a goal or makes play resulting in a goal...The only thing that bugged me was his lazy cross ice passes infront of Demko - Green got that all cleaned up but it was like he didn't get the memo and kept doing it anyways. Maybe it was on purpose lol.
  6. Well at least we had the best media guys ever. If those amount to cups we'd have a handful anyways. I'm still waiting for our Potvin or Bobby Clarke. Gretzky i got at the time pretty fast was just something that comes once in a century or so. Then it happened again in PIT lol. No wonder PHI was ready to give the farm for Lindros who was equally as hyped. Despite all this somehow i'm still hopeful! Maybe i should go get my brain checked. Edit: A few years ago THN did a fan suffering issue - was a big mag like a small book lol. Guess who won! We did. Next up Buffalo.
  7. This pretty much sums it up. But before that, at least a couple times we got to experience this too:
  8. I was wrong about Aucion...couldn't stand him when he started, kept getting burned and thought like that other Adrian (Plavsic) he'd end up out of the league within a couple years. Then he tied or almost tied the PPG record lol, and went on to play over 1000 games. Recently - i was wrong about EP and QHs, not wrong that they wouldn't be decent, wrong because i didn't think they were the right picks. Miller trade. Said at the time we basically just got another Horvat. Turned out better then expected and worse at the same time depending on what happens next - to be determined still. Signing Myers - loved it at the time and still do as far as improving the team goes. Problem with these two moves is we never properly bottomed out. It's going to end up a big "what if" we drafted so and so soon enough. It all depends on what happens next.
  9. If Horvat won't sign then sure let's trade him and this would be a decent return. However think we sign him. Preferably we just ice a better team year after year - get that could take some "re-tooling" of the rebuild. Don't think we need to trade our 15th as well if Horvat is game going to OTT. Personally think he'd rather go to TO though.
  10. Anyone who's ever had to recover from an injury ... knows that most have to go back to work way before the doctors say it's ok. Must be nice working in the NHL ... and this 300% is a grey area. Not one part of my body that wasn't impacted from work. And always came back way before it was recommended because bills to pay and customers to serve. These guys have it a lot better then 99% of the rest of us - and can for sure use it too. Maybe he wasn't 100% but his 80% was also unreal. Find me five doctors and you will get five different "opinions". What i love about him is at least he owned it "18 million over the cap" chugging his beer.
  11. I thought this is what Miller is worth: I think we need to temper our expectations. Yes maybe he is... I think we need to be realistic about this. He's worth a late first, a grade A prospect and a roster player. That roster player isn't a top four RHD...the prospect could become that maybe. The player might be a modest upgrade as a 3rd line C. Kerfoot and TO's two best prospects was their made up proposal (from their media - both smallish forwards, former 15th overall and a second rounder that maybe gets some AHL traction). NYR maybe will now go for it and give us Schnieder. Lundqvist no thanks. Sure some trades work out way better then expected too. Miller's value is just as good getting us to the playoffs and shedding cap them 50% of the odds really trading him and hoping something sticks. Why just waste his cap hit on a regular roster player and a bag of pucks is why we have 100 threads. We all know our team simply isn't good enough to pay him and hope it works out but even that is better then if things go the other way.....as in a bag of pucks and a couple roster players that suck his cap up and don't work out. We are not going to get a good 3C and an upgrade from Myers without some very, very good luck (and pro and amateur scouting). Odds are we get cap relief from two ELCs though. Whether they work out or not is another ball of wax. Not to be a downer but when is the last time we've traded a vet and done well? Bertuzzi...Linden. Before that Butcher. I'm 100% ok just letting him play his last season here. That's not the worst case by far. Nonis/Burke/Quin. Been a long time now. Quin was the master though.
  12. So are we trading Miller for cap space? I'm confused..Miller with us won't be less then 9.... that's facts. Well maybe 8.975 to make it "sexy". I don't think anyone would be sad to see this type of deal ... Why is he worth less then EP who's making almost 8 on an RFA deal? JB paid too much for his RFAs even when you bring in the tax equation. Get his UFA overpayments. I sure hope that Allvin can do better. Sucks being a Canadian team having to balance the books going after US paid players. JB also did that. RFAs shouldn't be making UFA type money. Some of ours are and have. 7.25 in six US teams is like 9 in Vancouver.
  13. Super duper DUUper negative value is definitely worse.
  14. Comedy gold, and i never watched the show! But did meet George in Maui looking at Jaws in a farmers pineapple field. Minivan shows up, 5'11 Olive Oil gets out and a gaggle of kids and George goes out to the cliff edge hands on his hips big grin on his face. Recorded him too lol. VHS style.
  15. What we'd need is more picks etc and other assets to give this contract to someone else. Something we can't afford yet. Why i think best thing for now anyways, is just let him redeem himself. Wasn't JB best signing was it? Like he was caught in a loop trying to fill out a roster. Dickie was one of his safer signings that summer based on his play in Dallas. He for sure knows that his days in the NHL are numbered if he doesn't show up next year. Edit: He wasn't sheltered in Dallas. Played tough minutes. The term was like JB, giving an extra year good grief. I hope our pro scouting department doesn't make as many mistakes under Allvin as JBs did.
  16. Who is playing second line LW then? A Miller trade further muddies the waters ... Personally i don't see Dickie as a big as problem as some. Paying to move him means we do just that. And for how much cap savings compared to just putting him in the AHL for depth? What the team needs is our stars to play like stars. EP looked to be doing that under Bruce, especially down the stretch but sure had a terrible start. For us to have fair value he needs to get 80 or so points ... was on pace for 45 goals and 95 points down the stretch. We need ELCs to balance the books too. For that to occur, i'd rather Pearson score 45 or more points playing with Horvat, keep his value high, then try and create a 3rd line around him. Dickie and Poolman are issues ... but those issues could also possibly go away just by using them. Management and the coaching staff won't be sad to see Dickie score 25 points and keep the puck out of our own net for example. Pearson has value, because he's not a cap dump. Both these guys if and when they go, cap will be replaced by someone else. Until they've seen Kuzmo in action and he can win a spot i doubt they trade Pearson. His value goes up at the TDL.
  17. Don't even need to go to the rankings to understand Pearson's value to us - and 31 other teams in the league. It's quite simple really, just going by basic stats, and not knowing the player - IF that player is of UFA age AND he's producing 1 point per 100k, he's contributing well to your team. We have a lot worse cap on our team then Pearson. And i was on the trade Pearson trade heavily before JB went out and shed all that cap to bring in an expensive top four D, and a real wild card in Garland (who works out even better then Pearson...). Intangibles and other side of the puck also matter...absolutely. Pearson gets more props there and does Garland. As for OTT, glad to hear that their young core is pushing their organization forward. Funny how some are picking on Dorian where as during the bubble people were freaking out because well OTT surged two seasons ago. One thing OTT has done very well their last two cores is draft very very well. As a result they have capital. As for the OP ... it's a pretty dense person that's not paying much attention that compares LA with them. LA re-tooled around their aging core of vets, whereas OTT traded theirs completely away. No Zib. No Stone. No EK. No Duchene (which they rectified to a certain point), no support vets either like Pageu. Goofy that NHL players can be that slow given it's their sport. They still have a Kopitar, a Doughty and a Quick etc. Not much else though. What OTT lacks is exactly that. And a goalie. OTT is a good target for us to trade with. They've got quite a few players i'd be interested in for some of our vets. That said UFAs might be the smarter move for them to start plugging holes. Like us, they also have to deal with 53% tax....
  18. Seattle no state tax. Same with TB. Miller has lost over 800k per season since traded to us...so ... apples and apples add 16% to his AVV and that's what his cost is. OR minus 16% and see where our cap would be at compared to a team like TB, and then imagine being about to spend an extra 13/14 a year.... McDavid plus ... or maybe a Point and a Palat?
  19. This may be true, but Myers actually played like a top four this season. Watching the playoffs over the years, I think it's too easy to just look at the stats sheets and think Hedman, Makar et al are so much better then the next up ... and maybe they are but they also make major league blunders that cost games (Makar did this, and Hedman wasn't perfect either). AP had a lot of fans drooling at the idea of such an upgrade ... he's slower then Myers IMO. Hedman isn't super speedy either. I agree Myers is ideally suited as an anchor on the third pairing on a good team. When WNP was the leagues envy on the right side D line ... Byfuglien, Trouba and Myers a absolutely made it that way. Trouba ... Myers contract (pre-covid too) 6 x 5 was considered a bargain by quite a few "experts" ... a decent number had him going 7 x 7 on the open market, and fair at worst, especially in a high tax market (4.75 in Dalllas, TB, Florida, NSH, Vegas and now Seattle etc). Myers with OEL for sure was better then Edler/Schmidt, quite a bit better and we definitely got a better return for the 1.75 or so difference in cap. Where i don't like Myers is on the PK. He'd be fine on the second pairing though. And back to Trouba (claused up?!) ... 8 x 8 ... ouch. Myers >> contract then that. Top four RHDs are tougher to acquire then top six centers. Personally i've always been fine with Myers on our team. Last year he led the team in plus minus right until the end of the season where a bad game dropped him down. By pure stats the OEL/Myers pairing sits around 11-12th best in the league not including points. What's wrong with that pairing is the cost ... What i hope happens is Miller is traded, for a RHD in the cores age range (23ish), that will be around for a long time and then we can trade Myers and go after Manson. Pipe dream i'm sure. Manson was a guy i hoped we could trade for the last 3-4 years. Think Willie Mitchell ... pretty fair comp. What isn't terrible either is if Myers plays his contract out and then re-signs for a couple seasons to anchor the bottom pairing at 3 million or so (and cap will be going up his UFA year).. Gives the team some time to get some youth to pass him on the depth chart. Myers has intangibles that teams like ... and he's also earned his nickname Chaos Giraffe... just never know what he's going to do next lol. Like bloody Keith or pass it to Ovi in the slot. He's far from vanilla.
  20. Yep. Of those guys only Skudra and Bob were any good. Garth Snow...even Burke for a cup of coffee, think Beezer for a couple days lol... it was like musical freaking chairs. McLean never modified his game to include the butterfly and it eroded his game and longevity but for sure was a great goalie for us. Cloutier actually wasn't bad at all for us during the regular season, think one year he actually had 7 or so shutouts if memory serves me well. And looked very very sharp that season. But wow he couldn't handle the post season at all. Markstrom pulled a total Cloutier this year for Calgary lol. Even better in the regular season, a top team (so we're we for a couple seasons during the WCE era, 103ish points back then is easily like 110 now) ... Believe Cloutier has one all-time record that might still haunt him, like when we were up 2-0 in the series against one of the best teams ever iced in 2002, and Lidstrom scored from the 100 yard line lol... that is the worst SP for any goalie to play 25 games or more in the post season lol. Trading for Luongo was one of the happiest days i've ever had as a fan. Personally felt he was the best goalie in the league for several years having followed his career in Florida, where most games he faced 40 or more shots yet somehow had a winning record. Always making highlight reel saves - if he played, he was on the reel. Took a mediocre Canucks team and made it good instantly. We missed the following year, but after all that cap shed from the Burke era ... wow did things change fast. Six banners in a row including two presidents trophy's in a bloated league, and a cup final. He was no McLean during the post season, but he was still very very good. Turco ... played like Demko vs Vegas ... and Luongo out played him. It was a real sore spot for a lot of fans that we didn't have a world class goalie really ever (apologies to McLean, back then Roy and soon after Belfour, Broduer, Hasek etc ... ) ... kind of like until now we never had a world class PMD other then two seasons of Reinhardt. And that is YTD where as Luongo, for a period of 6-7 years was a top 1-3 goalie in the league and the world. And a top 10 his entire career.
  21. Yes eventually we need to use a high pick to draft a goalie. We aren't there yet though. MD won't ever be more then a back-up. Silvos does seem to have some potential and a wild card. Fortunately we don't have to go there yet. Probably will in 2-3 years though. It's very easy and quite cheap to trade for a back-up. Unless there is a goalie that's just too good to pass up i don't think we are in any rush. Demko thankfully helps us there. Goalies get moved around for peanuts, and rarely cost the farm to acquire. Strange really given there are only 64 spots for them in the NHL, you'd think their value would be higher. But the reason for this is actually quite simple - there are 100 or so goalies in the world at any given time, that can step in and do an equal or better job if given the chance to be a back-up in this league. GMs know this. MD? We'd be lucky to get a 4th for him, i'm expecting maybe just a project back or a 7th. Look at what we got for Lack, a proven goalie with what was it again? A .920 SP?
  22. Pearson will be easy to trade whenever the team wants to ... doubt he'll get traded because he plays on par or better then his contract ... At the TDL we likely get a second for him, as long as he's on pace for 33 points he's money for us or any other team. Aside from the covid year he's been money for us, under both coaches. Dickinson just needs to score 25 to earn his deal. I get that we need guys on ELCs, but we also need some vets in the middle six to anchor lines. Dickie was for sure not expected to be as bad as he was... Sutter would have been much better although of course he couldn't play. Worse case we bury him if he can't bounce back. He's part of our bad cap or at least was last season. Pearson? Never really has been ... streaky and ideally on our third line ... but sure he can manage his 15-18 goals and 40 points regardless. Good investment really, and don't have to cash out unless we have an actual upgrade, which of course we do not at this point. We actually need to draft LW's as well. But having Pearson gives us a bit of time ... and likely we end up going to the UFA well to fill that void once he's gone. Decent odds we will miss him. Edit: If Pearson plays with Horvat, his usual partner, his stock could end up being quite high this TDL. I hope that's what we consider - actually wanted him traded before JB went out and decided not to wait to let the cap shed naturally. Garland also has a lot of trade value. Thing is Allvin and JR don't seem to be in any rush to put this team back into rebuild mode. Which is perfectly reasonable given we are one of maybe 12 teams that have a true number one goalie. Think Miller and or Brock end up becoming the guys we use to re-set the club with...makes the most sense .. Pearson could be part of that process too, he was always set up as a placeholder ... but the seat he's keeping warm won't be easy to fill with an ELC for at least another year or two and that's best case.
  23. "I'm a pretty rich guy" ... Malkin and Mogilny must be so proud.
  24. Sorry i hit reply before i was done ... Miller also fits in COL. For a repeat. And other teams are interested in him. TO and NYR as well along with NJ. Hockey rarely follows a script. So expect the unexpected. How many "moves" has anyone predicted since the CDC came to be? A very tiny percentage.
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