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  1. From NHL.com ... just for all those Luke Schenn fans out there ... sure hope we re-sign this guy: " Keefe continues to notice a different vibe around the Maple Leafs from previous years, citing how upbeat the players were Friday despite losing Game 5. He also noted that the entire team was together Friday night for a meal instead of dividing up into individual cliques and doing their own thing. Much of that can be attributed to defenseman Luke Schenn, the catalyst of team bonding since he was acquired in a trade with the Vancouver Canucks on Feb. 28. Whether that translates into a victory remains to be seen, but the unity surrounding the Maple Leafs seems to be its strongest in years. "
  2. I think this needs to be pinned ontop of the trade proposal forum - with a little broader explanation so folks really get it. Ten teams. If Myers wants to stay, him and his agent can easily identify the couple teams that can afford his full cap hit, and axe them off the top (ARI/CHI etc), then strategize the remaining 8 teams in descending order. Not sure if a team can be a third party involved with a team on a NTC list, but that could also impact things. September. By then all the good and decent UFAs will be long, long gone. So Myers cap isn't going to help us upgrade that position that way. And most trades will already be done as well. Teams rosters are set by then, most for a month already. Other than minor tweaks. And this isn't a minor tweak. If we found a suitor, that cap space isn't going to help us entering the season anyways, although for sure having some for later helps and there could still be a team or two trying to fit everyone under it. It's not impossible, but sure seems very unlikely. And definitely not an easy trade to arrange. Unless this happens: Buyouts. It's possible the league allows one this summer with so many teams in cap trouble. Including the leagues/Betttmans, favourite Owner/Boston. If that occurs Myers isn't at all priority, but yes maybe then enough space overall would make a trade like this easier to do. Decent odds he's the guy we buyout though. Not sure the owners want to swallow OELs massive deal. IF the team throws caution to the wind, and buys Graves or something like that, goes 10% over their cap space which is allowed with hopes of trading Myers later, the cost goes way way up. Not a good way to build a team, total JB move. We have other more reasonable methods to gain cap space. As Provost pointed out. Garland/Beau/Brock. And doubt we save a lot of cap space this year by doing that, but just enough to make our cap work this season - so Garland and Brock are likely candidates because their deals have more term attached. With those trades, like Dickies, probably have someone back with one year left. Back to Myers. I'd be surprised if he's not on our opening night roster.
  3. Yes. Personally quite sure the Canucks will offer Schenn a deal. They treated him well, a lot of teams were after him, and they likely could have got a better 3rd even ... gave him time with his wife, respected that. These guys know family time comes second often, it's part of the exchange, well worth it IMO, lots of trades require that and make peanuts instead. Anyways, I like Schenn and think he'd make a great stop gap while we try and find younger upgrades. Reminds me a lot of Mitchell. Myers likely is playing his last season with us. Hronek/Bear/Myers/Schenn .... is probably who we run with.
  4. Pretty sure WSH has accepted its fate, and will be in rebuild phase now. Maybe they try an LA style rebuild, to give Ovi one last crack at it, but don't think they will. They don't have two or three old guys like LA had really. Maybe Ostritch boy if he didn't express interest to leave...Not the same as Kopitar and Doughty.
  5. Mike Rogers, is a perfect example of how close the WHA and NHL really was. Edit: Personally feel that league doesn't get the respect it actually deserves, and even earned both from Slap Shot - and from court ordered games to play each other. Without the WHA, maybe 19-20 would still be drafted age. And maybe Hull senior and Howe (if he came back) would have records a lot more impressive then they already are, plus of course a lot of other folks too. Bower ... in the AHL i suppose is the same. Only other goalie to have 600 pro wins
  6. And Myers says no thanks. Plus there are loads of other players, that don't have the same trade protection, that ARI can consider instead. They won't be filling their roster with these guys, maybe one or two out of a pool of probably 50 contracts and 20 teams looking to work with them. Is it impossible? No. But it sure doesn't seem very probable either. Not sure why Myers wouldn't pick a team that has a shot at the playoffs. Might as well just stay here and have his shot with the place he wants to be. Won't be too hard for him and his agent to figure out which teams have some cap space even on a two way retention deal, and cross them off the list. The only way I see Myers going is if we pay a healthy sum to get it done, and it would be before his bonus is paid. Clearing his cap space at say the draft, makes a lot more sense then mid September. All the good or ok or risky guys will have had deals well before then. Love it if we got a big fish this off-season, to compliment and help complete our d-core. Would be good for the team. Thing is, i'm pretty sure Myers salary is already slotted to go to Hronek and EPs raise. Yes we could trade Beau or Garland. Or Brock. We'd have to do both really to add a Graves. That's what i see them doing if we are going to commit to another free agent this summer. Then Myers deal is over at the end of the year, he's either offered pennie's on the dollar to stay as a 3rd pairing D or they part ways. If we trade him at the deadline, we are probably out of the playoffs.
  7. Yes exactly the intent. Why i used Wade Redden as an example. He was the first team that tried to hide cap in the minors because he was way way underperforming (about the same cap hit OEL has now, but didn't have a NMC which means a player can't be dealt with in this way - or exposed if their is an expansion draft etc). My point was kind of the same thing, if OEL plays so bad he should be riding the pine, then let him ride the pine. Also as an aside, found the timing of Tochetts hiring, and OEL going on the LTIR interesting. OEL talked about Tochett, said the right things, and in that also included he knew what to expect from him as a coach. They had some history of clashing in ARI, and a little surprised the media hasn't brought that up (yet). Blocking shots, finishing checks, playing hard against your man etc, all the time, plus using the gym and other training available to the players will be constantly worked on. No cheating. OEL was nothing like his first year with us, it seems reasonable, it was his ankle and he backed off the chippy physical stuff to a degree because he was protecting himself which makes some sense. Hope he spends the four months doing exactly what Tochett expects. And also hope that his leash is fair. OEL/Hronek is the pairing I think they go with. QHs Bear/Schenn ??.
  8. That's for sure the market value for a guy who's probably going to have 7 seasons in a row at around 50 goals 100 points for games played. Even covid didn't stop him. Only thing that might convince him to stay is if McDavid and him win a cup or come close - and decide to keep the band together. Doubt it. Coffey didn't. Gretzky didn't. Messier and Lowe and Anderson and Kurri didn't either. Edmonton waited forever to get another shot at a cup, and despite the one year of Pronger (that team was pretty mediocre at best - Pronger was a total monster for a couple years), they haven't had much to cheer for since 1990. It is a little messed up that they ended up with the best player all-time, plus a ton of other HHOFer's and all-stars for a decade or so, and again ended up with two of the best center's not only of their generation, but guys who'd line up pretty well with any generation. By the time Leon's deal is up, he could end up with almost 1000 points already. Before he's 30.
  9. I think most didn't read the title - of course those in EDM, watching Draisatl bull around the puck in the offensive zone, score a ton of goals and be a critical part of one of the best power plays the leagues ever had - think about that for a minute - and that's with gulp - Nurse, Barrie or Bouchard on the point the last couple seasons. And his defensive game isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be, when he's on the ice, the puck and ice slant the other way. So far EPs has one great season. Drasaitl has had many, and has proven himself durable. The only thing that really is in EPs favour is he's a couple years younger, so maybe he will also do what Draisatl has already accomplished, which if five consecutive seasons at well over a 100 point pace, and averaging 50ish goals during that run. We can only hope that EP can manage that at some point in his career. He's also been doing that since he was 23. And the most important thing is playoffs. Draisaitl seems to be built for it. Not EPs fault (one playoff - that's on JB and maybe one year on Allvin). As far as line mates of course McDavid is boosting everyone's stats, but he's also getting his stats boosted from Leon. I have zero doubts, LD on his own or on the Canucks instead, wouldn't also be killing it. Guys a monster in the offensive zone. Tough to handle. And for the record of course i'd pick EP, but i'm not neutral. I'd also consider picking Draisatl before McDavid if I had the choice. As for LD, already has a Hart, and a couple seasons with Hart votes, and even Selke votes himself - plus Byng, something i'm sure EP will also get too one day. All three actually.
  10. Yes. I'm sure OEL can play ... better than Stillman lol. One sure would hope.
  11. Only thing with Myers, likely if a team takes him, there won't be anything left to pick up via free agency. Team would have to risk going way over the cap in July to find a solid replacement, and then hope they can sell him for cheap in September. Not impossible, however it's unlikely. Personally think we have him on our opening night roster. Maybe we sell him with retention during the season.
  12. Yes. OEL was playing off this year ... for all our sakes let's hope it was his ankle/injury. Coach doesn't have to actually play him though, could ride the pine here.
  13. The Wade Redden treatment, think it was NYR a who did this.
  14. Kind of lost me when you said "give their fans one more reason to laugh at us ". The victim culture within our fanbase needs to be cut out like a ripe old boil. Most of the country would be happy to or kill to he born and raised in BC. Every single person i've met since moving to Ontario, has asked why (it's my wife's family - her turn to be close to her side, plus I retired) ... people here fawn over the idea of spending their hard earned cash for a week on Vancouver Island. Or the lower mainland or the interior. They don't laugh at us they actually loved us during 2011 - i moved in 2009, the city was humming for the Canucks in 2011 same with MTL. Maybe switch your perspective somewhat on that. It was media driven. Of course Cherry was rooting for Boston. Totally understandable, but he also dressed in our colours a ton during our run. Personally i've always hated the entitlement and bitchy whiny Canuck fans that have this angle about "everyone hates us - we don't care" attitude. Same people that rioted i'm sure. Mommies and Daddies money isn't good enough for them i suppose. Or just pissy because they can't afford to live where mommy and daddy raised them or something. It's a privilege to live in BC. Or maybe i do get it. Laughing at us because we are so whinny?
  15. Yes. Part of the reason why I get so bitchy about taxes has to do with no Canadian team winning one since 93. EDM and CAL don't have it too bad though, neither did the 2011 Canucks exact same tax bracket back then.
  16. You bet. If we won, for sure Linden, McLean or Bure would have won...probably Bure. No way would they have given it to Leetch.
  17. Actually cheered for LA in 93...but i would have been happy if Toronto beat them too. That was the best Leaf's team i've ever seen. Too young (50) to have been around for the last cup team ... did like Lanny McDonald and Vaive and of course Tiger as a kid. Wendel Clark was one of my favourite players growing up...and Gilmour too. McAoun, ... Wendel dropping them and blackening half of McSorely's face after he creamed Gilmour was one of the best moments of any playoffs. 93, was also one of the better playoffs in NHL history. What Roy did was unreal. Ranford in 1990 was still a little fresh too, a great goaltending effort. McLean of course would have been a good choice in 1994 had we won game seven for the Smythe, his first game against the Rangers was unreal ... and of course Game 7 against CAL who were contenders that year. Really that lineup was close to or as good as their 1989 team (which is considered a top 10ish all-time team and rightly so, for perpsective, the best version of the Keith, Toews, Hossa, Kane, Sharp, Byfuglien, Seabrook etc teams THN voted as 15th). Current Tampa Bay team likely will challenge CHI and rightly so. LA didn't make the top 25. NYR did. The Canucks faced two of the top all-time teams really in 94, and it wasn't like TO were slouches, or Dallas either. Only Tim Thomas and Quicks first LA cup come close really to Roy since then. And Roy's 2001 performance was arguably better than both of those too. Had to beat Broduer in a 7 game series. And NJ despite being looked as a defensive team, led the East in scoring that year. Since the Oilers dynasty, and a couple Roy cups (let's face it - they were for sure Roy's cups) ... Canada hasn't had much of anything at all to cheer for when it comes to cups in the NHL. This is probably the best chance we've had since Vancouver was kicking butt. I will for sure cheer for either EDM or TO if they make it. If the two meet each other... that's tough. I guess EDM lol. Just hope those old Oilers come out to cheer them on and sure they will.
  18. Ok- just to settle the score on 2011, there were tons of cars waving our flag in and around Ottawa as well as MTL...the media created this myth nobody likes us and some fans fell victim of that dialogue pretty hard. Also, for the first time ever, both EDM and CAL didn't shoot people for waving their enemy's flags in the 2000's when they went to the final. I agree with the OP, the cup used to be a Canadian thing ... expansion created an issue for that, but growing up both the Habs and EDM kept it here for awhile anyways. 1993. You can bet I will be cheering for both the Leafs and the Oilers if either make it that far - but I don't start bother cheering for them until that happens. Edit. WNP by far would be my choice though .... then the Sens, Habs, Flames, Oilers, Leafs in that order. Of course if Van is out.
  19. Canucks in Japan...Ohlunds eyeball and the travel ... to me this is a gimmick the league needs to avoid.
  20. It was worth every cent just for Pink Floyd in 1994. Saw them once on the floor and then next night in the stands with a good view of the stage ... their sound guys were so darn good they solved the aucostic issues. Without a venue that large the biggest bands in the world would skip Vancouver.
  21. You bet. Lidstrom's final Norris was for sure a gimmie. But he didn't play on the same Detroit team at all either.
  22. QHs could become a better passer than EK. For sure, but don't think he's there yet, although maybe i'm wrong - both are great puck distributor's. Difference is for QHs, that is his game, can't skate the puck out of his own zone or into the enemies as well. QHs is amazing on his edges, and he's a tough cookie too. Can't speak about Harvey but do respect the heck out of him. As for Coffey, he was my favourite player growing up, didn't have any weakness's in his game (he was the 4th forward because he could get back, and not just a mediocre 4th forward, a crazy dangerous one like Orr), a superstar his first 14 years or so. Always wondered how he'd have done as a forward (Orr too). Bure was lightning quick like he'd snorted 20 lines of coke and drank 20 cups of coffee...Coffey just glided around everyone effortlessly, and could beat you back even starting 10-20 feet behind the play. 48 goals lol. It seems gaudy because it is. Wasn't a Borque , Chara, Weber, Ifrate, Al Mac or Burns, bashing the puck from the blue line ... he was scoring from all over the ice. In that respect EK has some similarities. I'd love to see QHs work on his shot this summer ... and his top end speed, so he can skate the puck in and give it a go. One thing I will say, is look at EKs even strength points. And then imagine what he could of done on our team this year instead. Lol. Then imagine what he could of done on the Oilers or COL or even TO. Sick really. Couture? Ok decent still I guess. Meir too. He's finally healthy, and the league was robbed of a prime EK given the Cooke foot achilles tendon severing. Really too bad. Hope he agrees to a trade, and he goes to a team with better players. If so, and remains healthy, has a chance at a run of another 2-3 Norris trophies, a cup and a Smythe depending on where that could be. Just for shits and giggles. EK to Van for OEL, and they retain enough for salary to balance out. Both cities have high taxes (CALI and NY teams have jock tax). What would it cost us? This years first, next years too. And maybe Hoglander. SJ is gauranteed to keep sucking next year even if they win the lotto. I'd do it, but sure OEL wouldn't.
  23. Lost me right away when Coffey was compared to EK. Guy was nothing like EK. Had 12 career fights in the post season lol...had 9 short handed goals one year. Rover isn't the best way to describe him, best way to describe him would be he was special/unique, almost equal to Orr his first decade... was the only man back in a 2-1 during the 1987 Canada Cup, broke that play up, started the sequence that one of the most famous goals ever was scored (Gretzky to Mario), he wasn't as good as Borque in his own zone, but was special enough to get back and for sure played a hard nosed style as well. Housley maybe but not Coffey, he's part of a small group of guys not far below Gretzky, Mario and Orr all-time, and ahead of the next tier. EK ... well maybe look at his team. Edler led the league in minus one year ... when we sucked. Mier was traded, which to me meant his odds of getting 100 went down ... that was an awful team. Also compared to his forwards, the best ones, he managed to keep the puck out more than they helped for sure. Give him Toews instead. Watched EK a ton while in OTT, and "rover" is not his game. At his best, he controls the pace of the game in three zones. EK for sure is a better passer than QHs... that's just silly, doubt QHs will come close to accomplishing what EK has in as many games by the end of both their careers. Didn't feast on the PP either, pretty hard to do that given his linemates, arguably the worst team in the league without EK. Hope he's traded next season and does it again. To me Makar, and the rest, just got schooled as far as what greatness really looks like. Ottawa's teams were at best average, and EK joined Potvin, Orr and Coffey as the only other D in NHL history to be top 11 in history 3 times, and that was before he was stomped by Cooke. Horrible injury, and it took time to re-coup. Now he's done it 4 times. Already was robbed of one Norris. Sure hope they do more then look at his plus minus, and consider his quality of competition, the line match ups, and that he basically carried the team on his back all season even if they sucked. Makar might have played 40 games, and wouldn't have close to the same numbers as EK with the same guys, if he could only handle 60 this year, doubt he'd play more then 40 with every guy keying on their best player all season the way EK was keyed in on. Heiskanen is his main competition IMO, then Fox. QHs, well there is a reason he's near the top in scoring, but near 10 in fantasy hockey, doesn't block shots, can't throw a decent hit etc. And wouldn't really consider him a rover either, you rarely see him pinch and around the net, doesn't really have the speed to get back, or maybe doesn't want to get caught pinching. Doesn't need too either, his team has enough weapons where he doesn't have to try and tie the game. As an aside. EKs gets a bad rep for being an offensive defensemen first. That's simply not the case, although it's easy to get caught up in that dialogue. When you go back and look at what he was doing in Ottawa, he was unreal. He almost took a rag tag crew to the final, and gave PIT their hardest challenge when they won their first back to back cups. The best job i've seen a defenseman do in the playoffs since Pronger.
  24. Much like Messier, 3 years with Naslund - FIFY.
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