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Voted Babych - nominate Oddliefson.. Edit: WIth around five nominations available for the top 50 - glad to see guys like Smith and Lanz getting their due - hope CDCers do not sleep on Murzyn and Momesso either - if Hansen gets in then other great support players should also get consideration and Momesso was definitely one of those guys...don't mind the Aucion or even Cloutier nominations but not ahead of these guys.... wonder if monkey business will now start (Vrbata? Miller? ha ha )....and on Markstrom - yeah he has shown he can play better then Cloutier - BUT he hasn't had any playoff games yet to show us what he can manage when the pressure is up...at least Cloutier did..I'm high on Babych because he was one more Canuck in that great playoff team we had in the earl-mid 90's that stepped up his game when it matters the most. And Momesso kept players honest when Ronning was taking a regular shift...and chipped in too. O h and on Cook...can get why some really liked this guy - he had some great goals - clutch...and my way younger sister became a fan during the WCE years and loved him as much or more then any of those players....for those that also grew up watching that team first can't take that away from them - it's the same thing for each fan more or less and their first loves are hard to see without rose coloured glasses...but not if it means Lanz, Oddleifson, Smith, Murzyn or for me Momesso doens't get in. Rather have Momesso on my team any day. Anyways get the subjectivity of this list - and actually appreciate it more then the experts list to a point. AJ, Biestra and Baratheon and a few others have really done a great job in helping shed some light on the oldies but goodies in our history - and I hope to honour that too despite probably never watching Smith play a game or at least if somehow I did - don't remember it. Had to be at a family member or friends house way back then - our TV was black and white and had rabbits ears - and HNIC wasn't a regular thing in my house until I was 16 and living at Grandmas with my uncle. I admit I'm a homer for the Linden teams...and get why those that grew up with Tiger - or later Tanti or before Smith also have their own memories which weigh into their personal experiences of what greatness mean to them.
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That's cool - to each his own. I went with Babcyh, played for 7 seasons (including the half season otherwise more games played) and manned a great second pairing with Diduck for us during the peak Linden years...also one of our top four scorers when "Hudson Bay rules" came out in the playoffs during that era of hockey....averaging around .5PPG when it really mattered...to me that matters more then where you came from or what round you were drafted in (he was a second overall I believe - and didn't dissapoint). First in mustache rankings too ha ha...a top 2-3 defenseman is a better postion then a middle six forward...when he came here he was used primarily as a defensive defenseman too - posting pretty good numbers for that sort of job - especially come playoff time. First in bench press and squats all-time.
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Hmmm...Hansen was a great Canuck no doubt - I agree he is a solid vote and has a good case to go in before Horvat- a tad early maybe but solid. That said have to agree with Biestra on Tiger - he was a compliment to a scoring line while he was here - led the team in goals one year and big part of a run to the final...and iconic moments. Hansen was a long serving middle six forward games played is what gets him into the top fifty more then anything, 2011 helps too .. Babych is one of our top scoring playoff defenseman and has one vote ... played from 91-98...Muryzn did everything Tanev has done for this team - and played from 91-99 and both these guys were part of the 94 run..The advantage these and others still on the list over Horvat and Tanev is meaningful playoff moments. Hansen before Horvat is fine because of that - but his high water mark was one season of 22 goals and 38 points..not exactly comparable to a lot of other players still on the list and some that you cant even vote for such as the original Horvat in Oddleifson, Rick Lanz and McCarthy on defense. I have Hansen in the late 40s myself - same with Tanev, Horvat around 39-40. Tiger played the game with a fierce all-out gusto - and fought some of the all-time leagues toughest men on a regular basis...and then scored on them too. His time with us was relatively short - but the impact was a lasting one..doubt any future Coach or GM will be looking to retire Hansens number...where Pat Quin tried to do just that with Tigers - he definitely understood his value and what sort of lasting impact he made on the team. Edit: Hansen played for us for a long time and recent is hard not to forget...however I would make a case for a guy like Momesso - a hard hitting punch you in the face - protector of Ronning that could chip in his fair share of offense when you start to look at the better middle six players we have had .... sorry Cook despite some nice moments I would have Momesso before you - Hansen wins out because of time served but if all things were equal a lot of other guys would deserve consideration of course...and Momesso is near the top of the list for best middle six players we have every had..tough as nails - cool name - mean mug the works. Point is - you have to look hard at the all-time list. One thing Momesso did for me was help build the momentum of the CAL-VAN rivarly that was amping up when he arrived....Courtnall too...he had a mouth on him...what a great trade.
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Me too ... went with Babych....but will change my vote if it looks like he has a shot later...(Tiger)...
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Voted Babych....although can see how this list is now getting split up...Horvat - a little early...Nominate Oddliefson...although like any Smith, Lanz or McCarthy ones.. Murzyn is another name that should be up soon too - just as important to the Linden teams as Tanev is and was to this team - with the 94 run in his prime....as for the recent Cooke nominations - i said when we started this that he would come up before other more deserving names - kudos on the CDC waiting as long as they did. Dont mind that he will probably get in but only if its Aucion that sits out ha ha....
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What is your favorite Canucks game of the last decade? (2010-2020)
IBatch replied to Laheys Liquor's topic in Canucks Talk
Bieksa fighting Marleau in game 2 was the turning point in the series. Both teams were neck in neck at that point in the game (and the series was also a lot closer then the outcome, in fact SJ was coming back in the series until Bieksa put them away for good in game 5) and the play was very even. Not only did he pummel Marleau (and if your interested the local SJ rag gives Marleau props for hanging in there with the bigger player....ha ha guess they do not look into that sort of thing)....but he also scored the game winner and made Eager go absolutely bonkers and laughed it off right there on the ice. Was not the nail biter and cardiac arrest warning like game 7 against CHI - but it was fun to watch us beat the crap out of them on the ice and the scoreboard. -
2020-21 TEAM, MOVES & COMBINATION ANALYSIS
IBatch replied to nuckfanfromafrica's topic in Canucks Talk
He was a good player that has declined rapidly - would also stay away from him - roster spots are important and do not think he is worth the risk. Agree with those above that think dumping Bear and if they have not mentioned it, Sutter too and getting anything back. We would likely have to pay in both these deals. OJ is not ready to play full time, next year we might get to see him play some NHL games but no way is he ready for a bottom pairing or regular job yet, if he is then that would be a huge bonus for us. And on LE...he is our cap kryptonite and do not think we will see him off the books next year...maybe the following one but with two years left it seems doubtful - and its even more doubtful the league will pass around compliance buyouts given whats going on a the moment. It lowers the revenue split for everyone, both owners and players would have to be ok with it and can see why both would not be happy with it. Not every team has a need for a mulligan, why would those owners be ok with this- plus some owners pockets are not as deep as others - plus it counts against the cap as far as the 50 50 split goes so the NHLPA might not be game either...especially with the possibility of roll-backs looming. IF it was that easy to dump Bear and Sutter and LE .... well JB would have already done it. Like the optimism but really do not see much of this happening, at least at the suggested trade value. -
Yeah I agree on Simon - although like Tiger he once led his team in scoring - after that his shoulder injuries caught up with him - but it's he was on tough SOB too - and could play a regular third line shift and not hurt his team....Hunter IMO has a decent argument to be in the HHOF given how good he was and how much his team loved him and the rest of the league hating playing against him. Agree that at some point the best enforcers (the guys that could also play the game) should be acknowledged. The game was so different back then, with guys like K Stevens and Tochett that could play the game on the edge and produce..Roberts, Clark, Corson...a very long list really.
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Not many guys that played both for the Canucks - or ever - were as colourful as Tiger or as loved by his teammates and fans. Quin thought so highly of him that he wanted to retire his number - didn't work out ... In a way it happened anyways and I'm sure he wasn't sad to see Daniel - one of the greatest Canucks ever to wear it and go on and set so many team records with it. His high water mark was the most any Canuck scored that season....and he was a 20 goal scorer per games basically for the entirety of his career - only Probert, Simon and a few others could play the game as well as him and protect his teammates with the same gusto. Averaged 4 PIMs per game played...and almost played 1000. We paid a pretty steep price for him, but it was a fair one - and Vaive went on to have a pretty good career of his own. As far as overall numbers they are inbetween Burrows and Kesler...to suggest these guys weren't that offensive would be kind of silly....same goes with Williams...and he led his team in scoring at his high water mark of 35...
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Congratulations to Kurtenbach and the Streak - voted Courtnall (again) , nominate Ververgaert....Bertuzzi- lite.
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The idea of buyouts are fun for armchair GM's...not so much for owners of the NHLPA though. There has to be revenue for this to make sense - and they haven't had any for awhile - plus they have pre-paid the players for the remainder of the season and it's pretty doubtful any fans will be allowed in anytime soon. At this point who knows whats going to happen - but the money says no to buyouts and no to cap increases. If anything they will be looking at a roll-back or best case scenario the owners will continue to pre-pay the players like Provost suggested with a flat cap for a couple years until the revenue meets the payout to players.
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Ok this has been going on long enough - I changed my vote....OR we could just give them both the 31st spot and then go right to 33....?
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It might be short - but it's longer then most the past 30 years or so - 27ish I guess as the Canadians climbed onto Roys back and won one in 1993...TO and WNP have no tales of the finals to speak of ... EDM and CAL have one each since their glory days in the 80's...Since MTL's cup the Canucks have been the measuring stick for all Canadian teams...OTT got destroyed by ANA...CAL and EDM came very close too...but nobody has been as close to winning a cup (any team since expansion) as the Canucks did in 94...a couple cross bars away ... two goals separated the entire series...and it's still considered the best final of the modern era (since expansion) - something that we can still be proud of - even though it was heartbreaking. 2011 we came in a the team to beat - we were the best...1994 McLean posted a .922 sp and we had multiple hero's ... was a Rocky hockey story come true - facing the best in the league we almost upset them. Messier isn't a nice name around here - but he did offer this just after game 7 was over - and he considers it the best cup he won " What makes this even better is the quality of opponent we just played" ... that team made an entire new generation of fans and had the province believing we could do it. Two comebacks against two of the leagues best...that team won more playoff games then any other. Yes we haven't won a cup yet. St Louis just won their first and Buffalo only has a Hasek final to really talk about...and it won't get any easier with 32 teams soon. In the meantime there is nothing wrong with re-visiting these great moments...heartbreaking for sure - but we have a lot of heros' to be proud of too.
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Well said - voted Courtnall - nominate Rota.
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The only thing that bugged me a little was his streakiness....when he was hot he left you wondering why he couldn't be like that more often - his goals seemed to often come in bunches...and I loved his chip (the big one on his shoulder) but worried for his life when the gloves occasionally came off...other then that he was great - and did his best work in the post season. Both his and Linden's ppg in the playoffs were stellar...better then the Sedins and pratically anyone else in team history.
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This is an excellent proposal. Burke has been pushing this agenda for years - and has tried with every new arena to make sure that they install the underlay so that they would have the capacity to increase the width 8-15 feet should the league decide to go this way in the future - the theory is to allow the east-west skill game a little more breathing room plus increase entertainment value and scoring etc. If I re-call he got Calgary to commit to it in the future when he was president- as well as Detroit, Vegas and Seattle.. the problem is that the ability to make ice is the expensive aspect in retro-fitting buildings (compared to pulling up the seats)...but with new builds it is easy and relatively inexpensive to do - the plumbing is under the first row or two...not sure if his math is correct (the actual cost to retro-fit all existing building) - or if the owners would be willing to lose the revenue of the premium seats lost... us as fans would be big winners in this scenario.
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NHL projects $84M-$88M salary cap for next season
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
Thanks mll - my bad. In this case yes for sure the players might not be happy with each team getting one or two buy-outs....this isn't going to be that easy to figure out for them (NHLPA and NHL)...hopefully they both with make concessions given the cause was completely out of their hands and how many folks have had to already tighten their belts.. Last recession they kept making more money - this time folks might not be ok with going to a live game without this in our past (vaccinations?)...difficult times for sure. Rolling back makes a lot of sense to me - just take the medicine and wait for business to be booming again which it of course will. -
The " House" was pretty cool too. Sandlak was built like one right? Strangler and Tiger are up there...I coined Ronning "Radar" - stuck a little inside my small hockey circle - he looked like Radar from Mash - and zipped around everyone like he had radar on. As far as the 90's go there were still some good ones around..."Sandman" for Sandy McCarthy comes to mind...later Boogeyman (RIP) for the 2000's. Nazzy, Watuzzi ... nah not that good - same with Cookie. JovoCop was a great one though. Now we have Alien and the Flow which are pretty darn good...Little Ball of Hate is one of my favorites all-time...Brulin Wall wasn't bad. Cujo too for goalies in the 90's. Godzilla ... Back-up Bob was good especially given it was a local thing mostly. Suitcase Smith ha ha good-one given he got around - the original Sean Burke (how many teams he play with?) Garth Snowman was hilarious then and still is now given how much he stuffed his gear and poked fun at how he need the "extra" protection for his chest and ridicously padded shoulders...Captain Kirk...more a pun on his leadership then anything to do with Star Trek.
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Still waiting on Druken, McKalt, Plavsic...or are they too "great" for your liking? .... Stajonov is great for two things - one being one of two consecutive first round flops (Antoski was the other - but at least he was part of the 94 run and could face punch with the best of them) and two being part of one of the most lopsided trades all-time...Naslund had three first team all-star selections in a row (no other Canuck can say that) - more goals the Stajonov managed after the trade ha ha...power forward indeed. At least it's not Ruutu (and serious) ... Harold...Harold....Harold....chants were pretty cool too...so maybe he's too great by name association scrap him. Maybe Malik should get in too for his great shoot-out winner (ha ha)...or Robert Dirk for his Kelowna fans. Hmmm bar is still too high....Rome maybe? Nah. Patrick White - now there's a champ ha ha.
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Ummm...Ballard cost us a first - and Mitchell because if we didn't spend the money on Ballard and instead re-signed Mitchell with it we probably would have cup memories instead of cup and playoff exits. Considered a top 25 all-time blunder by this organization and there have been some doozies. Pretty stiff price all considering - not to mention he went to LA and then won with them (and played AGAINST us), and we had to use a buy-out for Ballard in the end...plus the endless Ballard Raymond and a? trade proposals...depth defenseman...Mitchell was a boss while playing with us and we could have used him against Boston in particular... Edit: Compare that to the first we traded to acquire Miller - that's how you do it. Not even a rental...a force - a leader and our leading scorer this year.
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NHL projects $84M-$88M salary cap for next season
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
Compliance buyouts do not count against the cap so in the past at least have not been factored in with escrow...rolling back the cap makes more sense then anything at this point so not sure any or most of what's suggested in this thread will occur.. players hate the escrow... -
Sportsnet Interview with Brian Burke - Cap info
IBatch replied to VegasCanuck's topic in Canucks Talk
Think there might be too. 50/50 split is what it is. Mentioned this in another thread...players might opt or have no choice but to just roll-back salaries instead of this fantasy that owners will essentially "loan" the players a bunch of money and buy out one or two bad contracts to keep the cap where it is now....they already did pre-pay them three pays for a season that is essentially lost - no ticket sales - very little revenue - the TV deal won't cover that much past administration staff to get the teams to play games in empty buildings and the three pay periods already paid to players .... in the real world people lose their jobs - or at the very least don't get paid for not working. Athletes won't get much sympathy - the same way they weren't when the league locked them out for a year given how fast their paycheques went up over a ten year period before that and after salary disclosure. And its hard to say how even us hockey fans will feel about standing in lines for an hour or so and bumping shoulders for three getting into, watching and leaving a live game for the next 12-18 months or so. So yes 40% rollback is possible - maybe even probable. Either that or the owners just close it down for next year too - why should they float it? -
Vote Adams - nominate Rota....
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Most people who don't follow this team but was around while he played if asked who's the most memorable Canucks would likely include Gino - that's impact - the same way if we were asked to name some leafs Domi would probably come before a lot of guys - maybe even before guys like Vaive who scored 50 goals for them a couple of times...
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D Sedin was also King at GWG's - especially when you compare the quantity of goals he scored (which was excellent). HHOF will eventually come calling for those two and deservedly so.