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  1. Voted Ohlund. I know Edler is going to run away with this but between the two Ohlund was better defensively, a better and more consistent hitter - and better at putting up the points although a slim margin there (although he played mostly in the dead puck era which also matters if your into adjusting per era etc). And when he left was the leader in all catagories...and it took Edler a few more seasons to catch up. As far as quality and quantity goes Ohlund is the best pick to represent a defenseman in the top ten. Doesn't hurt either the four hockey historians who made a book called top fifty players all-time by franchise with THN ranked him #6.... way ahead of Elder way down at 20. Length of career absolutely matters in these cases ... time to nominate 7 years as a starter Richard Broduer. My first favourite goalie growing up. Pete Peters was cool too...what a great hockey name ha ha.
  2. You bet. Clark was one of my favourite players that didnt play on the Canucks - but I will see you that and say Vaive... right now we are also voting in the top 50 Canucks all-time.. THN has Clark at 40...Sittler at 11...there is a whole lot of guys long forgotten both in the HHOF and pretty close but not quite good enough.
  3. Yashin Bondra and Zubov have been covered Nichols Roenick Nabokov Irbe (the sharks Broduer) Damphosse Ryan Smith Doug Weight Kevin Stevens Tim Kerr (HHOF for sure career cut short) Doug Wilson Reggie Leach Rick McLeash Federko Rod Gilbert Bob Bourne John Tonneli Gaborik too many too list
  4. Voted Gradin - although Ohlund was my first choice from this group I just don"t think Edler should be in the top ten so went with my second choice. Ohlund didn't play quite as long, but he played with us long enough...and if we had him still ( or Mitchell) we'd have won a cup (and we paid a heavy price for Ballard who ended up our 7-8 defenseman). Lumme and possibly Lidster should also be considered before Edler as well. THN had him at 20 a few years ago - he's moved up a bit since then but not enough for top ten IMO. Speaking of Lumme - I nominate him ... was also a better defenseman then Edler.
  5. I'm cool with that - it is razor thin - my heart goes with McLean every time, stupid brain keeps getting in the way. One thing that Luongo will never have - despite all the accolades and gold medals is "the Save". Actually same with Roy, Hasek and Sawchuk. Those not old enough just have to google it plus NHL and they will likely find it right away - or one of Vernons which is pretty ironic. That was absolutely and until we actually n a cup - my favourite team. Broduer you've represented since the start....Boudrais also needs to get in soon. So does Lumme, Lidster and Jovo on D side (not sure why you have Jovo so low - I wasn't particularly fond of that era but he was very good)...anyways always fun posting with you - and "King Richard" forever !! edit: on the Gretzky comment - do you know what goalie he burned more times then any other ??! Bet you do... edit: think you need to re-consider Broduer's AVCO cup - if we do that then Messier enters the leaderboard as number one with 6 cups, including the 6th which was against us...Broduer didn't win 200 games as a Canuck. Markstrom should catch up with his next contract...
  6. Entering the Boston series Luongo was one of three Canucks being debated for the Conn Smythe - with Kesler and and third place Bieksa. The Boston series wasn't his best - but it was good enough to win IF we had any offensive support. Including game 7. He had one blowout - but also won three games too, and two of them were 1-0 shutouts, the other a 3-2 OT win which is about as clutch as you can hope from your goalie in a series. The biggest difference with Luongo and McLean is McLean had support from his forwards where as Luongo had to win the entire series on his own if we were to win a cup. McLean also lost one game 5-1....but still his team scored 19 goals where as the 2011 team scored 7 ... and made it to game seven somehow (because Luongo helped them get there with 2 1-0 shutouts and one 3-2 OT win). He also had his second shutout after his big blow out. Think if we won game seven Thomas would still get the Conn Smythe - but if he didn't Luongo would have. The announcers even said it was between Luongo and Thomas before the game - whomever wins it's going to a goalie. Overall his best series was against Turco (Dallas), without him we'd have been owned. Statiscally neither Broduer or McLean can touch Luongo. I get what your saying but Luongo was dynamite up until the Boston series - and even that one he was definitely our best player. What did we score like 7 goals (or was it eight?). The 1982 series is considered the worst final in the history of the league by THN...we did make it to OT one game... and I'm a Broduer fan too - who can't like a player called King Richard. But the seas parted for us and the lesser teams won on the way to the final making it possible - until our eventual brick wall in the NYI dynasty. Get we all have our favourites I do too - but Luongo is definitely the best goalie we've ever had, McLean is close - also a Vezina finalist and considered a top five goalie for a few years .. and I actually like him a lot more - but have to say that's the order with Broduer taking the third spot. If you had to start a franchise now and could pick any goalie we've ever had who would you take?
  7. Absolutely. Funny how both had a hard time growing much on top. Have an uncle that could put both these guys to shame...grew a foot long full curly beard in under a month to play some rich dude in movie in the 80's re-enacting the last spike. Not sure he's not part ape. Agree with your HHOFERS mustachios.... Babych could flex and grow a beard...
  8. Good topic. I think that Tre Mac got it - most of the other things we need are affected by this. That said the following are trouble areas that need work: 1. Defense - and this a team issue as well. I like that TG lets the guys take risks - like Crow before him it makes for exciting hockey - however we simply can't continue allowing free range in our own zone. A big part of this is who we currently have in the back end. Myers faces a lot of criticism- but he's a huge upgrade over Gudranson and Del Zotto. A big reason it Edler and Tanev finally got the relief they needed and played mostly healthy. Myers was decent/good when Edler went down too. That said we need one more Myers like upgrade - and I'm hoping that's Tree. He's huge, and will absolutely make things more difficult in our own end. It also helps offset QHs size - that said nothing wrong with him at all ... Like to see more forwards coming back to help too. 2. Offense. BB needs to be the player we all know he can be and light it up next year - match or improve on his rookie GPG campaign. Think all this time off is going to help him more then anyone get healthy .... and he's at year four now which is where most players breakout. Bear needs to go to make room for TT. And possibly Roussel which ties into what Tre Mac already pointed out. There is no reason we can't sign TT unless he doesn't want to play here - a little tweaking and a modest cap dump and we should fit him in. EP also needs to work on his conditioning so his game doesn't slide when we need him the most .... QHs .... just wow keep it up! Adding TT our right side is sorted for years. JV should be given a Bear like show me deal ... he's on the rise too. Overall if these things happen we will have a dangerous offense. It's already pretty good and should only get better. 3. Team toughness. Admittedly it's a lot better then it has been the past four years - however it's not there yet. Love that McEwen has won a spot - and the possibly Tree is coming. Regardless the team needs to stick up for each other and especially the Stars 4. Coaching. Not sure this actually is an issue - don't think TG has lost the room. However it's time this teams up and down crazy cycles get smaller. Maybe the assistants maybe they entire staff - don't think the rope will have as much slack in it if we end up mired in a losing streak in say November with a healthy team... edit: 5 Covid19 vaccination...the US is all over the map on how serious they are taking this ... could still be an issue next season - hopefully not
  9. Well Luongo won more games in 100ish less games played...both were pivotal in their teams runs to the final, and Luongo was better (and both played a significant amount of time with the club especially as goalies). Only HHOF caliber goalie we've had. THN had Edler at 20 three years ago. I'm sure he moves up the list - but behind Ohlund (6), Snepsts (11), Lidster (12) Lumme (13), and Jovo (16)....a little ahead of Bieksa (23) Don't think he's moved past all these guys just because he's now the leader in most catagories - especially Ohlund - but I get we all have our favourites.
  10. Went with Luongo...again nominate Snepsts...trying to pick guys others are also nominating that deserve it so don't split votes - Broduer is deserving too but went with one of our longest serving rock soilid defensive defenseman. Like having Mitchell for most his career - a fan favourite at that too...for those that weren't around - plus he fought. And what a mustache! Babych or Snepsts - best mustache?
  11. I loved Babych - listening to the announcers calling him the leagues strongest player was fun - and how one handed he onto anyone he wanted was also fun to watch... his reverse hit on Probert was just the best (launched him over his head).... THN ranks Snepsts 11 of our top 50....I highly doubt the CDC will. Daneyko is a perfect comparison. Tough as nails. Over 2000 PMs for us in a hard era physically. Also played in three different decades (barely but did). Ohlund IMO should be ahead of Edler - and is probably close to Snepsts in this regard although he was a better defenseman so should go even higher (top ten). Enough younger fans were around so think he might. Lumme and Lidster after these two - then Jovo (if he played his entire career here he'd be the first defenseman off the board)...then maybe Babych. Diduck and Murzyn should also make the top 50 cut.
  12. Well said. For those that forgot the two things that bothered most fans during the WCE era was mediocre goaltending from Cloutier as #1, and using a competent two-way SECOND line center instead of trading or signing a proper first line center in BMO. Even trading Mogilny for him was disappointing but understandable (given we lacked centers). Imagine what Naslund and Bertuzzi could have managed with a top ten center instead of a top 30-40 guy. Morrison nominations at this point are very pre-mature, same with KB3 ones - where is Lidster and Lumme?
  13. Or Broduer, one of three goalies we've had who had more then a cup of coffee with us that's considered one of the top 100 all-time goalies (89 I checked)... that it itself says a lot - not many of our players would make the top 100 by position rankings. Agree with all these guys, Cliff Ronning was a much better player for us and he was used as our second line center mostly and didn't have a world class L winger and the best power forward in the league to pad his stats. Morrison will get his turn, but I wouldn't have him in the top 25... edit: I like your lists but there are a few standouts that I'd have quite a bit higher: in order Ohlund, Kesler, Lumme, Bertuzzi, Jovo, KB3... Ohlund and Kesler should be i the top 7-15. Lumme top 15-20, KB3 25ish....just my thoughts - but I'm 100% behind on the oldies but goodies not getting proper representation. No way should KB3 or Morrison be getting nominations at this point unless you we're only going back as far as the WCE years - it's ridiculous really.
  14. Aside from the intial shock he actually won the election have spent zero time paying attention to him - and really you have to wonder how much is just an act. Now that I'm watching the news I have to admit I rather enjoy watching him speak - never laughed so much. When others are speaking and he's just standing their it's like watching a cartoon- his mannerisms alone are hilarious. Like Babcock. Huge MOFO ego. " Got to hustle, Got to work hard, got to blah blah blah" - chin out - chest - out hair in place. He's simply ridiculous.
  15. My in-laws moved 7 minutes from us on a golf course community a couple years ago to be closer to my wife and their grankids. They are around 75 and got home from a trip a week before any isolation was requested but stayed at home as soon as it was announced for about a week. Then their neighbors came home from Cuba a few days ago and have been in and out ever since. Their viewpoint is they don't want to create a fuss with their neighbors, they are too old for that sort of crap - or maybe in their minds snitches get stitches. I want to go over there and strangle the pair of them (neighbors just to be clear) for putting them, and my family by extension - at risk, and this is my inlaws I'm talking about who just might be the most annoying people on the entire planet. Its happening folks. 40 minutes from us a train of snow birds in their RVs from Florida parked overnight in a Wal-Mart in Brockville - many left and went shopping (and were confronted) - most the plates from Quebec. JT needs to stop treating us like children and just get to the enforcement - a-holes all over the place ARE going out, ARE shopping and ARE stupid enough to be visiting their loved ones. Darwin awards aside - it's the simple fact that the butterfly effect of their actions could kill someone. Scolding us on TV isnt going to work for a lot of folks. Time to step it up before things get worse.
  16. Just the type of guy you'd want doing the math for that type of model. Anyone who's not trained and ever wondered what the heck all those buttons are for on a financial calculator - bet you still can't figure it out after a week of looking it up..probably not after your first university level course either (one of the highest flunk rates for those working on a degree in business, 50% at my school first time through). Finance isn't basic arithmetic and when it's done right the numbers don't lie.
  17. Had to go with Smyl although it's splitting hairs with Naslund who gets my next vote...then Luongo. nominate : Tanti - should be there already
  18. So you don't think a coach coming into a good situation (a good team) doesn't help his career? It's happened before - a lot. And funny thing is when they eventually lose favour and play on bad teams they often lose favour - happened to Crow for example - and he was/is a decent coach. Coaches that win cups get longevity and linger longer ... and yes all of them are good coaches how else can they get that far? Will be interesting to see what's happens to Berube as a result. I stand by what I said - good coaches have had the good luck to coach good teams - and the ones that make it to the NHL are all good coaches - well a few are patsies deliberately thrown into the deep end on rebuilding teams. The Yeo experimentation is over. Is that Green? Hard to tell yet - but most experts had him near the top in the running for coach of the year at the 3/4 mark before we crumbled - we likely will have to face another year with him next year as a result of all of this virus stuff. Having watched hockey this long / and watched guys like Keenan win with good teams and lose with good teams - and dismantle good teams and then lose with bad teams too - and other guys like Bowman and Arbour pad their stats with some of the best all-time - and watching Quin win with and lose with good teams - I'm pretty sure the quality of the team matters a hell of a lot more then the quality of the coaches. Yes a great coach will get more - then an ok one - Quenville the coach of the decade seriously underachieving this year maybe next year will get it back and then some. Or maybe not. Who would you suggest we go with? Gallant? Vegas is doing a lot better without him...be careful for what you wish for...
  19. If you think we are even close to that team (2011) you need to take the current homer glasses off. We aren't there yet. We had amazing depth back then - a 40 plus point defenseman as our 7th in Ballard. A great bottom six and players in the wings (remember Maholtra was out). Luongo >>>> then Markstrom. His worst seasons were like one and a half year or Markstroms best. Two of the best players in the league at the time at the peak of their powers. One of the best second line centers for five or six years at the peak of his powers also >>> then Horvat. Maybe Miller is better then Burrows that's about it. What we have now is just a whole bunch of potential. QH is great - but we haven't seen him play one playoff game yet - they are a lot different...I think he will do fine but we really don't know yet.
  20. Naslund should be next. Best L winger and top three player three years in a row. However Bure was a better player - unarguably. Consider this: Bure scored two 60 goals seasons in years 2-3 for us. For those that think that it was easy to score back then they need to give their heads a shake and watch some old games ... players got away with way more and he played with a red line (like an extra off-side).. I know the Florida season shouldnt count - but his GPG is higher then any Canuck and one of the very best all-time AND he's the only Canuck to be given the top 100 player all-time honour other then the guy we shall not name. In the deepest darkest days with a so-so Florida team he also scored at a rate equal to or better then his best years as a Canuck and would have two Richard trophies (instead of one - think he was the inaugural winner - fitting really). Talent wise I would disagree with Aucoin and say he's the best we've ever had (in any position). One of the very best players all-time by position. His time here wasn't long enough - but he was a Canuck long enough to beat Naslund easily. I'd rather have ten years of Bure over 13 years of Naslund any day.
  21. Vote Bure nominate ... Harold Snepsts ...
  22. Think you'd be happy to hear who they had around him (great Canucks for sure)...to add to that he was only a few spots below McLean at 14. Id have to go find it - but think Broduer ranked in the 70's all-time top hundred list- that's definitely impressive given the 100 plus years of history and the thousands of goalies that have played. If you count WHA and when the original six was around AHL games (or next best league) Johnny Bower is second on the all-times wins list with over 600 wins collectively - the only guy other then the other Broduer to have that many pro wins - and he did it in a time where ties were ties. Another former great that by all accounts should definitely rank ahead of Luongo (and did by 7-8 spots) .... and on that front I will add Luongo's one of my all-time favourites and if the question was instead if you could have any former player play his entire career here - and start a franchise around him ranking system picking Luongo makes a lot of sense (Messier is exempt in this scenario of course). Then Bure or Mogilny, then the Sedins, then Linden, then Naslund and so forth. Imagine what our all-team team would look like? Pretty awesome. Ps.! I loved Luongo for a couple years before we traded for him - considered him the next great goalie on the rise - what he did in Florida was every game was phenomenal- reminded me of highlight saves by Furh (who also had a flair for the dramatic- crazy good glove hand...)
  23. All of this is absolutely valid. Potvin and Irbe and Essensaa were all part of our goalie graveyard days - but all did good-great things on different teams and make the top 100 all-time NHL goalies list (as do McLean, Broduer and of course Luongo). THN did a top fifty by franchise three years ago...so far we are exactly the same for one and two - one thing they consider is how long they played for the franchise - how good they were - and nothing at all that they might have done somewhere else. Messier did not make the list. McDavid made the Oilers though - even though there was only two seasons of sample size / EP and BB might make ours too given who's better five or so years of say Mommesso (who made the list) or three years of BB? Also said for number one and two it was splitting hairs - went with Daniel as the goal scorer but I'd have it the other way. Then Bure, Naslund, Linden, Ohlund, Luongo, Smyl, Bertuzzi, and Kelser rounding out the top ten...your fave Brouduer 18, between Gradin and Tanti. Have a little blurb for each of the top 25, and their stats. Not a bad job of course we all have a different opinion....like why the heck is Babych down at 31, one spot below Mogilny -
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