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Is the Toronto management trainwreck Oilers 2?
IBatch replied to *Buzzsaw*'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
Argh. Must be frustrating to be a WNP fan...draft stars, trade for good players and watch them leave...used to be that only happened in the old system to small market teams...but for them it’s the same as it ever was... -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
IBatch replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
First time I’ve heard ugh over when the next CBA is up but I get where your coming from. The bright side is we hopefully won’t have anyone that we need to buy out then... -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
IBatch replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Geeze with that sort of cash why wouldn’t OTT have just gone after one of the big free agents in the first place...like they’d really rather have LE, Tanev and Goldobin then Stone back...or Duchene for that matter....or keep the cap space for next years crop rather then tie it up. They don’t need any of those guys and will easily make it to the floor before opening night... -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
IBatch replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Your right about one thing. It will cost us a lot more then what TO paid to get rid of one year of Marleau at the same cap hit. People need to get real, we aren’t getting rid of LE without paying a steep price more then JV, more then one first, more then my favourite Tanev at 50% retained which seems to endlessly recycled around the CDC on every proposal thread. He’s not going anywhere without something equally or almost as bad coming back. Spooners x 3 plus term etc. Or Lucic. Or Ryan. The best thing we can we can hope for is he comes back pissed and plays himself back into the top six and has a bounce back season OR we bury him in the minors and free ourselves of a measly one million. -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
IBatch replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Soon we will see footage, much like Luongo of days gone past, where LE is whining about how “untrade able” his contract is. He can cry into his stacks of cash and use them to wipe away the tears. Nobody is taking this albatross on without one coming back the other way. For those that wish he’s gone, expect Lucic or Ryan back, maybe if we are lucky Neal. -
You said it Apollo. And this time without hyperbole, but I will do it for you : He’s going to be the best defenseman ever, in the history of all sports. By far the best signing in the history of all sports too. At least that’s how we will feel when he lifts the cup 3 meters into the air. (Did I get that right?) At least now we have a chance.
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Let me ask you. Are the clauses keeping his pay down. Or are the lack of them increasing his pay cheque’s. Also what did TSN, SN, THN and other hypothesize at how high he could be signed for and for what term? What was it again? I will help. 7.5-8 x 7 EVERYBODY single one of them. Because that’s what we’ve come to expect each year when it comes to free agents. A huge overpayment. Instead we sign him for 6 x 5 and people on this site are actually b-;Ching about it. Get real. What did Burke say about the signing (since so many here still love the guy me included), “Great signing. Love the guy and always have.” And on and on. He practically gushed all over it. He knows we need a RHD and we got the best one available at a good cap hit for five years.. But go ahead and complain about the one million we gave away for him (didn’t we just save 1.5-2 and 2 years and how many clauses are there again?) ... wow whet don’t we just go back to bi$ching about Schaller or Sutter or LE, because without Myers we would be absolutely screwed going into next season.
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[Signing] Canucks re-sign Tyler Motte
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Part of the problem now is guys know they can get away with it. Not hard to take a team out by targeting a star. Glad SJ scored their way into another series because of yet another head shot even if it wasn’t warranted. Accidentally on purpose is the new game, and the players know they can get away with it. Hope Seattle decides to goon it up, or another team, just to start the arms race up again. Miss hockey with enforcers. Not the staged crap but the actual guys that could play, intimidate and fight. Funny how they leave and injuries go way up....but isn’t that what all the old gaurd has being proclaiming for years? Yes it is. -
And just another basic NHLer getting their chance to play with greatness. Where is Burrows and Carter when you need them...Man they had some bums over the years.
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Are You Okay If The Canucks Offer Sheet Over 11 mil?
IBatch replied to ItTakesAnArmy's topic in Canucks Talk
Again get real. In only fantasy land are we throwing our future away by trading a first, low odds of being a lottery pick, and a 3. Only 7 players have made the NHL and played 200 games for the Canucks in ALL the rounds 3 and onward since 2000. In 18 years that’s all we got and half of those guys were bums anyways. Playing the odds we lucked out getting a player like Miller in his prime right now. The best we could hope for with our first is a guy like him, and as most people that understand this deal have pointed out, he wouldn’t be in the lineup for at least 3 years, probably more like 5. Huge hole upfront locked in for 4 more years and a good cap rate, and we could easily have him for those years and flip him for another first as a rental if he keeps up similar play, and I bet he’s going to have a career year next year on the top line. Last year going up and done the lineup he would have being the 23 highest scoring LW in the league BTW... math is math and this was a super move for our team. It says losing is no longer part of the culture and we are moving up. EDM endless rebuild failed because of poor drafting (virtually nothing after the first round) and poor trades (Hall)..they never knew when to add strengths where there was weaknesses. THEN Benning goes on and plugs a HUGE hole we have on the right side for ANOTHER good cap hit. But all his signings suck right? He’s getting better. Do you like the Myers signing? Or is this another BAD move. Cost us no picks, no bodies nothing but cap space we’d use anyways. Out goes Schenn/Guddy for Pearson and Myers...wow can’t see how that’s a loss. Poo-poo and Hutton too, in comes Benn and Hughes. Pretty big transformation, Stetcher as a third pairing guy makes me giddy, that’s where he should be and he’s actually pretty darn good. Given how he’s managed the rest of the teams cap structure I don’t expect Boeser is going to be overpaid either. Hope he locks him in for 7 x 8 buying some UFA time and keeping him here for a decade. See the problem with your endless dribble about the past is your not seeing the improvements right under your nose and you never give credit where its due, instead you take things and flip it and find the negatives and try and make that the dialogue. Of course this works and your statements are often partially correct. Things are not that black and white. Id expect if we do miss the playoffs that Benning has a good chance of getting fired and you will get your wish. And then a few mistakes in you will start a new dialogue about how that GMs a bum and go from there. Hope your not viewing life the same way as that must be a hard path. Why don’t we at least wait and see how things go first. We have a much different lineup then last year. One more year under the belt for the emerging core...plus two very decent - good vets playing key roles that before were played by chumps. I imagine if EP could make Goldy look good that Miller is going to look very good and given he can do the heavy lifting for the line he might not tire out this time. I remember two months in how EP was near the top of the leader board in PPG. We have that for a full year and he would win the Hart. -
COL is setting themselves up for a run this year and making a team that screams long term success. Their defense looks to absolutely sick and set for the next decade with Makar, Byram, Timmins and Gerard. Not even fair really. Just happy they aren’t in our division...and that ARI will be gone before their rebuild clicks too...
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Not for long though. There is a big list of guys due for raises soon. AP in St Louis, making 7.5 currently, Gardiner when he’s signed maybe around 6, Faulk, Barrie etc. Number ones will start making 9-10, second pairing 6-8 depending on how fringe they are. It’s just the way things are. When we signed Edler at 5 it was close to number one money. Now he’s getting paid close to what he should given what he offers, same with Myers. Considering the amount of chatter saying he could go as high as 7.5-8, it seems we got a deal. In reality it will be a good deal considering he’s a UFA and a fair deal for him. Good money and term. edit: also there are 16 guys within 500k of him and a variety of he guys above him and below him have NTC and NMC in their contracts which counts for less money then they could have without them. Even more guys within 1 million (another 15 or so). Edit: 54 guys getting paid 5+ million, many of them have NTC and or NMC... Hes definetly getting paid as a number two now, won’t be long until he’s a 3-4. In one year he will start sliding down the list and by year three be way down it.
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[Signing] Canucks re-sign Tyler Motte
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Absolutely. Energy guys are great momentum changers, especially ones that chip in offensively and their value goes up come playoff time...when hitting goes up and the whistle’s are put away.. -
[Signing] Canucks re-sign Tyler Motte
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
All it will take is a few injuries and more cups being won by teams like WSH and St. Louis for the trend to come to a grinding halt. There is always room for elite skill no matter the size but you can’t make a lineup out of smurfs either. A balance is fine....and it’s hard to see one of these smaller elite D’s ever winning a Norris, there’s some things they simply can’t do as well as their bigger brethren, defensively. Teams always follow recent winners, it’s possible the trend has peaked already. I do like how fast the game is now, but the flip side is when guys do make contact it can be really devastating. Injuries keep piling up..blocking shots no matter what doesn’t help either, especially low percentage ones the goalies going to stop every time anyways .wonder when they will wise up? -
[Signing] Canucks re-sign Tyler Motte
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Absolutely. Probably the most disproportionate to actual production business I can think of other then government work. In the construction world guys more or less make what they produce and guys get paid accordingly. Maybe the bottom labour makes 30-40% less then the top guys in a crew but that’s it. In the NHL guys make up to 25 times more then the bottom guys...just frigged. Or 4%. It is what it is but it certainly isn’t a fair system. Said it before but I think the NHLPA needs to look hard in the mirror and realize that the power in the group vote wise is the group that is getting boned the most to make up for the upper class elites lavish lifestyles. Shortened careers and cheaper contracts are the result of blue chip guys overpaid UFA contracts, and now the elite are getting second contracts that they used to have to wait for as RFAs. Love to be a fly on the wall during the next CBA, but in the NHLPAs side mostly. All it would take is some backbone by a few vets that know their days are limited to get the majority working towards a solution. And RFA cap would go a long ways towards this. Maybe offer up that idea and make the max term five years which would keep it somewhat fair for stars as they would get to free agency and their money deals faster. I’d set it at 8 million. -
[Proposal] Blue jackets Should offer sheet Marner
IBatch replied to RowdyCanuck's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
I wouldn’t be surprised if TO ha waiting for some dumb team to offer sheet Marner at 11.5-12. Then they can say sorry no cap space, grab the picks and run, snickering all the way. Especially if it’s a team like CLB that is back into rebuild phase as those picks could be great ones. That’s a lot of picks. Could keep them in cheap ELCs for years. And they can then spend the money on their defense. -
[Proposal] Shedding dead weight
IBatch replied to Eastsidenuck's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
This is what will happen unless he makes amends. Benning has shown no patience with players acting entitled (McCaan, even JV early on) or even hinting they deserve more (Dahlén). LE publicly whined, and Benning publicly said he’s tried to get ahold of him twice but he hadn’t responded (old news but that’s what he said) .... and he also showed that he’s willing to bury a vet in favour of AG (Gagner) burying him in the minors last year. That’s exactly what he will do with LE, save 1 million of cap space while doing it, and as someone else delicately put it “ he can eat bus farts” for awhile and think of what he’s done. The dressing room is important to Benning and any disruptions are quickly dealt with. It’s up to LE to show up at camp and prove himself (again) and personally I think we will see a lot better effort from him IF he stays (not Utica). NYR buried Redden and his 5 million (today would be like 8) so it’s happened before. -
[Proposal] Shedding dead weight
IBatch replied to Eastsidenuck's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
This exactly. In two years we will be in the exact same position TO was with Marleau, and then it cost them their first. Sure they were up against the cap so had no choice but to make the deal, but so could we by then. Like it or not, even with his actual salary being what it is, he’s going to be extremely difficult to move without giving what TO just gave up plus plus for each year. Unless we take back something just as gross like Ryan or Lucic. -
This exactly. We don’t need any more forwards, especially the middle six expensive varieties. At least until Sutter, LE, Beagle etc are off the books, which won’t be for a while yet. We are probably stuck with LE this year even with his actual cost way down, it’s bad management to stick yourself with that cap hit for three years. OTT keeps coming up as a possible trade partner for him, my guess is Ryan comes back the other way which would be just as bad or even worse for that to happen. However two years of LE doesn’t seem as much of a commitment. Especially by two years ahead TDL when a team that’s out knows the cap is really only going to hurt them for one year. Not sure what it would cost us but we know TO paid a first for one year of Marleau so even then it could bite us.
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.....sooo is that five firsts then?
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What are the hidden costs of running a NHL team?
IBatch replied to Doesntmakesense's topic in Canucks Talk
Maybe that’s all they paid themselves and retained the rest in the business which is then taxed at a lesser corporate rate. Not like they need the money from their hockey team. The rest would be retained earnings on their balance sheet. Sure CCRA might be after something else like dividend payments not assessed but regardless something smells off about it. Crazy. Rich . People. -
One Canadian in the top six...one in our top four defenders..oh wait are you being sarcastic? Hard to tell, it’s not like the Sedin teams had a lot of Canadians either...there is however, a fair amount of NA on the team...could be tough to play against, as Podz and Hogz play a tougher EU game then most. And of course Tree can brush guys away with a casual back hand. Ok I scrolled up and see what you did there...19/23 NA...wow what happened to the Swedes only two next core? Nice. And a Finn and a couple Ruskies. Wow crazy how US this team is, way more then every before.
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That works except where does Bear go? I think Bear gets the second line assignments because I’m not sure how he’d do on the third line other then adding a little offense...maybe Leivo would be the guy to move up the depth chart when Bears our next, which seems almost a certainty at some point unfortunately. I know its his off wing but he’s good enough to play there...I also wouldn’t mind JV getting some time at that spot before Leivo but I’m sure TG will know what to do when the time comes. At least hes a decent option, he’s one guy that I could see getting picked up on waivers if we sent him down. I also think AG starts in the AHL unless we make some trades, he doesn’t require waivers yet and until we can thin the herd a little the team needs the spot.
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What are the hidden costs of running a NHL team?
IBatch replied to Doesntmakesense's topic in Canucks Talk
Your not even close to finishing the revenue portion of the the income statement. They have a dozen major sponsors, and the media share doesn’t line up with the SN deal of a few years ago. There is more information available just by googling it, their net income usually is in the 40-60 million range after all expensess. League revenues and the cap are fixed to players salaries, but not all the income actually is shared with the players. Their net income before operating costs would appear to be 90% of the cap approx BUT they make more then the players do before operating costs as not all revenue is shared... Simply put if the CAP is 80 million you can bet the owners are also making their half of the pie. Start at 80 and then take expenses out and you will find the owners are still making 40 million or more depending on what city they are from. In US funds to no less. That is why they can ask 650 million for a franchise (split by the teams not a penny shared with the players to no less) , it’s gauranteed money under the cap and revenue sharing. TO and NYR surely support a lot of the other teams but still come out smelling like roses, same with MTL and even Vancouver to a certain extent. Aquaman paid 207 million and since its grown to a value around 3/4 of a billion...and he’s made money each and every year on this investment...valued #9th overall edit; players cover their own medical insurance, no need to have that on the list...other insurance costs for sure though -
Are You Okay If The Canucks Offer Sheet Over 11 mil?
IBatch replied to ItTakesAnArmy's topic in Canucks Talk
PIT and the NYR were the teams to beat back in the early 90’s in the East, both had a lot of talent. They tore things apart in 94 and brought in playoff experience in favour of younger players, can’t remember the actual count but something like 9 ex oilers. It worked, but barely, both NJ and VAN took them to game 7. Screw them.