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  1. Nice post. If you took that and added it to half the guys on our team nobody would like to play against us. Juice had that in spades, first time I saw him was shocked at how small he was, he played like he was 6’7” but was 190lbs and barely six feet playing defense, under six feet. He’s listed all over the boards, one fight the TV had him 6’2” 225lbs ha ha. 5’11” is more like it. Rypien..well there was a guy with a ton of heart. Pack mentality indeed. EP, Boeser and Co need to start being liberal with the lumber if we don’t get more guys like Schenn.
  2. A little surprised I had to scroll down this far to find CAL. I hate Otto for that goal, and even more for Sandy McCarthy repeatedly punching Linden in the back of the head years later when the refs had too much chaos to deal with on the ice to break it up after he turtled. It’s taken decades and maybe Iginlas team and the lack of recent rivalry for me to not dislike that logo whenever I see it. By far the best rivalry we have ever had. Beating them in 94 exorcised a lot of demons, they were still a great team back then. Boston is about the same as NYR. I remember when we went to New York in 94 during the regular season all hell broke loose and Keenan and Quin got into a screaming match, Odjick was trying to spear guys over the boards ... and the announcers with a big dabble of foreshadowing said imagine if these guys met each other for the final...and that Keenan better settle down because Quin is likely to throw him into the rafters. It was surreal considering we’d battle them for the cup not much later (I think it was late in the season when we played that game) ... in 2011 some hate came out too but there wasn’t any sort of emnity entering the series. Hate Messier for cross-checking Momesso in the numbers by the boards, no call. Hate that they ejected Bure because they had a stupid high stick rule if you drew blood you got the boot (on a tiny high-stick, no visible blood on TV) he was all over them that game and had already scored. Hate Keenan more than Messier. Just do. Hated that Ohlund lost an eye almost playing a stupid Bettman Japan game. Hate Bettman for this more than anything, he could have been incredible without this disability. Hated the Bure trade, but did love Jovo. Hated the Mogilny trade even more I mean WTF ... Morrison for Mogilny? Hated that Messier couldn’t except a second line role and that management couldn’t sign Bure...that team on paper would beat any team we’ve ever assembled easily. Thought we were going to win cups. Hate Thomas only. The rest of their team i begrudgingly respect, including Marchand, thought he was a heck of a player for them, and wished he was on our team. Wished we drew TB, thought we’d bury them in five or less. Was scared when we drew Boston. Not happy Benning hasn’t signed some really tough a-holes to patrol the rink with our young guns. Happy we’ve got a group of young guys with more promise than I can remember at one time with the Canucks now. Finally, this might not work with younger fans, but I hated the uniform change into the Orca, and becoming the only team in league history that was branded by a corporation. I don’t mind the logo, it would have been an appropriate and thoughtful one if we started with it or even changed to it later. Just don’t like the origin story, and yes I’ve read the articles and seen the PR a videos. It’s propaganda. Rather have the plate of spaghetti anyday, as would most fans given the polls.
  3. My Dad loves cowboy movies and thought that’s what he was going to watch, you know a Clint Eastwood epic. He got up and left and asked for his money back. Funny.
  4. Ouch. That would be ok for us but suck too because CHI isnt far behind EDM on teams I wouldn’t want to win the lottery...
  5. I like the post, but as far as this draft goes it’s considered a better one than EPs draft year...not an exceptional one but at least average. There is plenty to choose from up to and past ten... Hughes and now Kakko are just as big names as Mathews-Laine-Puljajarvi were, Hughes hype started three years ago and hasn’t halted, much the same as the Mathews hype, getting drafted by TO amped the hype post draft to nuclear levels (as good or better than McDavid blah blah). Last year Dahlin was king, Svecknikov, BT, Zadina we’re big names, with a second tier past ten as well. This year there are two “Dahlins” in Hughes and Kakko, then Cozens Dach and Podkolzin in a step down but still better than the second tier, Byram, Zegras, Broberg, Turcotte, Boldy and Newhook. Of note no RHD in the top half of the first round...not sure Benning should go for yet another LHD even if Byram is available (consensus best defenseman available), if that is his main priority (RHD) I could see him trading down to add a second or third/prospect etc. Hope he picks his BPA, the last two drafts he’s nailed it IMO. Didnt like the Hughes pick, but draft plus one he’s considered the second best player not in the NHL and going to have the second best career by some, behind Makar. Last year that was EPs spot by the same source. Bouchard whom I wanted (I also think size matters) is 13th...respectable but not the same. Overall this looking to be a good draft, not great like 2016 and 2015, but not too shabby either. 2020 looks to be a good one too. And good thing I’m not drafting , this is one part of the job that Benning and co have done well at.
  6. Quinzee. Quintinator. Quinton Tearascoro .. The Prototype. The Savouir. Nah I think I just like Quin. The team may come up with one, like Juice. Or maybe an announcer...or print media. He will make a huge impact going forward, if he can re-ignite our PP back to about where it was last year we will see a big jump in the standings, I could see him getting around 8 goals and 42 assists for 50 points as a rookie next year...could we have three Calder candidates in a row and two winners? And a few people still b)&:h about Bennings drafting...
  7. It’s easy because a few CDCers decided to pump the heck out of Kakko to the point of him being a Messiah. There’s a lot of mis-information on this site, only one somewhat reputable media source putting Kakko above Hughes and that’s sportsnet, and they spend way more money and time covering he NFL, NBA, and MLB, and most importantly the writers themselves rank the prospects, they don’t get actual scouts to do it. So im not surprised your “gut” tells you Kakko is the best pick... personally I’d rather go off what the actually scouts are saying (the next Patrick Kane, all-time top scorer in his system now etc, built for the current game etc, highest ceiling in the draft by a mile) ... as far as the WJs go, who had the best tourney when McDavid played , or Crosby for that matter...Eberle and Jason Allison are WJ hero’s but they aren’t exactly super stars. Also the media themselves is making this into a competition like they do every single year with at least one set of players ... Tyler or Taylor...Patrick or Hirschier...Laine or Puljajarvi (for second overall) etc. It’s ok to go with Kakko, he’s a great young draft prospect no doubt, he’s a winger though and for us anyways the Hughes brothers has a way better ring to it. Not to say Hughes won’t play on the wing as like the player he’s getting compared too, he might be better off there. Like Kucherov. Kane’s still a dominant player in this league, like Crosby he can play with nuts and bolts and still produce at a very high level, if a team passed on Hughes and that’s where he ended up they’d be regretting it for a long time.
  8. I think the bigger question is will it really matter? This was a terrible contract at the time and still is for the franchise now no doubt, but we aren’t going to be spending to the cap for a few years including this one, the owners will make back the money as a result and if you look at the contracts that are up before he’s off the books it’s hard to see us getting into any sort of cap issues as a result. We are not a contender looking to add a key support piece, there’s time before EP and Hughes will get paid nobody else is playing themselves into a big contract except perhaps Markstrom if we even kept him. The title of this OP is overly dramatic, this is like compaining about Dorset’s contract about the same amount of course he’s no longer playing with us but if you add it to our total cost of goalies it isn’t terrible ATM anyways. This is a non-issue in my mind, we shouldn’t be going after high paid UFAs yet anyways so don’t see a problem with our overall cap been a little lower as a result for a few more years...
  9. So in other words the Gudranson, Vey and Bear trades grate on you becuase we could have a few more early picks or Woo/Lind types. At this point does it really matter anymore? The re-tool was a failure that ended up bring us Boeser, OJ, EP and Hughes in the end, plus what’s also in the pipe. A few wins or losses either way would have changed our fate, but not by much, but enough to possibly have a very different looking team right now, one without EP and maybe Puljajarvi instead of OJ, and Patrick instead of EP. Personally I’d rather take what we have now, Bear and Pearson included rather then think about the what if’s. Truly it’s not worth the typing time, we gave up some picks to get some projects that had more upside than the picks would themselves, yes their is a slim chance we would have done better keeping the picks, just as much as there is we would have done worse by keeping them and getting nothing at all. What exactly are we talking about in total here? Two seconds and Mccaan? Maybe if we didn’t make those moves Benning wouldn’t have made other moves that added picks - who knows. Just for fun look into the price NYR paid over the years to stay competitive and contend. Something like three conference finals and one cup final, and during that span sometimes they didn’t have their first pick until the fourth round. Even a few years ago things were different and picks were traded more often than they are now. GMs have come to the conclusion that they need them more then ever to survive the cap era as they need ELCs to balance the books. Benning couldn’t get a pick from Vanek after he potted more points then Tatar sauce who got a slew of picks from Vegas. It is what it is...what’s the point in flogging it to death? IMO Benning is acting under a directive, and that was a failure, but not an utter one given what he managed with the picks he did have and he was hedging his bet just in case. Under his watch on three things have happened that range from reprehensible to head scratch worthy...I said yesterday that I wouldn’t bring them up so I won’t. We has an obvious age gap between the vets and future draft picks, trading two second for Bear and a Vey and hitting on one is better odds than using the draft, sure Bears furure is questionable, but he could come back and get carry on with his upward ascension...or he could get knocked out forever. Either way he’s served his purpose, new blood is finally filtering in, and that should continue for the next couple years.
  10. Not a shining moment. Benning has shown little patience for “attitude, personal issue “ projects. The negatives we’ve lost some of our prospect pool and players as a result, the positives we’ve kept a pro culture alive. Kassian didn’t do well in MTL either, and for a time it looked like a good thing just to get him out of the locker room. He’s since redeemed himself in EDM, the place where anything’s possible (Hall for Larsson ha ha) ... and now I miss him.
  11. Me too. I had high hopes given his skill set and his age, injuries derailed a significant portion of his time here, first half his own, second half others that forced him up the depth chart. PIT is going to really like this guy and appreciate the the face punching that will be inevitable if players cross the line. He did that here too with Martin, and also handled Wilson easily, two of the remaining true tough guys in the league. I get the trade and also support it, we need reinforcements, and they are coming...maybe even during off season, definitely next year.
  12. I like you Alf and most your posts. Will you post a retraction if PIT wins a Cup this year and Guddy keeps Crosby and Malkin from getting abused? He does have value, I’d agree he didn’t do enough during his time here, but he’s already proving he can contribute on a good team, isn’t a liability when played properly (not forced to play above his pay grade) and I bet he will be a team favourite before they are done this Spring. The rest absolutely...
  13. We would be maybe five points ahead in the standings and looking at a 12th or 13th overall pick. McCann is playing on the first line with Crosby, he’d turn Goldobin into a PPGer too.
  14. Actually the Canucks have been close to capacity each year since Benning took over...not over capacity (by a few hundred per year) like we were during the Sedin peak years, but still very close to sold out, we are talking about five hundred or so less tickets per year and one of the healthier franchises in the NHL...
  15. My brother felt the same way at the time and I thought we still had a chance with them, for Burrows I didn’t mind that at all given the ridiculously team friendly deal he got with the previous contract and he’s the type you want to hold onto once you get them. Problem is the wouldn’t accept a trade anywhere which makes them unmovable, and no contender has the cap room for both of them, the thousands of threads and posts about trading them over the years went through this...so essentially we couldn’t get anything for them, and that cap hit was reasonable at the time for their production level, hard to find other free agents to replace them. We could have let them walk... but why would we?
  16. It is too bad we couldn’t have drafted more early on, in the end the failed re-tool cost us some picks (2 seconds in particular out of which we have Bear left, and his future is somewhat in question). Benning definitely paid premium to get things going..it’s seemed at the time to get a deal done he always had to sweeten the pot. Once he has a few players in (the ones you mentioned ) there was enough to ice a decent lineup but of course it wasn’t good enough to do much. Personally i think the actual rebuild started when he traded Hansen and Burrows, unfortunately there wasn’t enough left to get much from the last core..Markstrom might be the best asset we got (after Horvat)...and his trade goes all the way back to Linden...
  17. Not necessarily. The best prospects don’t play many games in the AHL level if at all, they do what Boeser, EP and now Hughes are doing. The tier down is what the AHL team is made up with, and most of the team is made up of AHL vets that aren’t considered prospects anymore. But I get where your going with this..
  18. Drinking and posting don’t always go hand in hand...I went back looking for the reference that Vegas was willing to trade and backed out because they found out they weren’t taking Glass (becuase last night I was been lazy and certain I had it right)...and couldn’t find anything but speculation. I was certain that they were overheard (which to me is tipping your hand or a rookie mistake) and once they knew they didn’t want Glass they cancelled the trade. The best I could find (other then using the CDC which had a lot of theorists on this) was Benning got cold feet when the Rangers traded up to 7 and felt they might want EP too, and cancelled the deal they also had in the books from moving to 9 , then went to McPhee again and he said they wanted to stay (where initially they were interested) and during those discussions it may have slipped (they weren’t taking Glass) and they were overheard. Anyways this is me apologizing. In the end we got our guy, and in a re-draft EP would go first at this point. Also NYR have since said they would have taken EP...so he did the right thing.
  19. Caught wind is a polite way of saying he tipped his hand. If it’s a poker game do you tell the guy next to you your next move...or am I still trying to support the narrative.
  20. Okey dokey. Just stating what I understood happened. Irrational? Well I guess that’s up to you what you want to say about it. edit: I don’t think you get what I was referring too. That is Vegas wanted Glass and was willing to move up and pay to do that, Benning tipped his hand and let them know he wasn’t taking Glass and the potential trade disappeared and Vegas backed out. What the heck are you talking about anyways? At the time it was discussed on the forum as a rookie mistake. The discussion was about how Benning told the media and the fan base prior to picking OJ that he was looking to add a guy just like PLD. And if he was deliberately misdirecting to keep his cards close to the chest or honestly stating what he was looking for. I felt at the time anyways that he was prepping the fan base for the pick, when it was no longer available he went for his second choice. Who really knows what is going on, nobody on this forum including me knows, but discussing it isn’t irrational.
  21. So you think smoke and mirrors too? Remember this is the guy that tipped his hand with Vegas who was willing to pay and move up one spot to get Glass, I wouldn’t be so sure how much of it’s actually mid-direction and how much I’d Benning prepping the fan base for who he wants, and when he drafted OJ he had been saying for weeks he wanted a forward... and I think he’s still learning on the job.
  22. Dont think so, for weeks heading into the draft Benning seemed to be hinting at who he was going to take, a big forward (center) with a nasty streak who played a two-hundred foot game to paraphrase. Only one guy fit that bill in the top of the draft. Well actually two maybe but MT wasnt supposed to be available at all and he slipped becuase CLB took PLD. Never once did he mention a defenseman. Maybe it was smoke and mirrors or a way to deflect from showing his hand but it appeared genuine. I groaned when he went at two, then cheered when MT fell on our lap, then almost threw the remote when we passed on him. Still is the worst mistake he’s made at the draft so far, but in the end we would never have drafted EP and Hughes is MTs twenty plus or so goals were added to our lineup since then, our draft position would haves moved up too much so in that way I’m happy. Rather have EP, OJ and Hughes then MT ? And ?. The best part is OJ could still make it and maybe even excell at this level.
  23. Dont think so, for weeks heading into the draft Benning seemed to be hinting at who he was going to take, a big forward (center) with a nasty streak who played a two-hundred foot game to paraphrase. Only one guy fit that bill in the top of the draft. Well actually two maybe but MT wasnt supposed to be available at all and he slipped becuase CLB took PLD. Never once did he mention a defenseman. Maybe it was smoke and mirrors or a way to deflect from showing his hand but it appeared genuine. I groaned when he went at three, then cheered when MT fell on our lap, then almost threw the remote when we passed on him. Still is the worst mistake he’s made at the draft so far, but in the end we would never have drafted EP and Hughes is MTs twenty plus or so goals were added to our lineup since then, our draft position would haves moved up too much so in that way I’m happy. Rather have EP, OJ and Hughes then MT ? And ?. The best part is OJ could still make it and maybe even excell at this level.
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