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Congrats to Lu - moving up in all time wins - Luuuu
IBatch replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
I understand but that really wasn’t the point I was trying to make. The point is games used to end in a tie, and before the shoot-out all the goalies that played were given a tie for it. All games that have gone to a shoot-out now would have been ties before and the goalies got a tie column. Therefore all the wins from a shoot-out aren’t really wins for a goalie when compared fairly to the ealier stats, same with the losses. The shoot-out is more of a skills competition than anything, and I hoped it would have been abondoned by now but it looks here to stay. Compared to their peers properly (make all shoot-outs ties because that’s what they would be) and Lundqvist has 80ish less wins, Luongo about 55 less wins, MAF 40 and so on. Roy’s 551 wins wouldn’t be affected, Broduer would lose a few wins AND losses but still be 100 or so wins ahead of Roy. Luongo might not make 500, and MAF and Lundqvist likely wouldn’t either. They’d still be up there in all-time wins, but not nearly much as they have now. One could go go even further and do the same with OTs and losses, as for a long time OT didnt exist in eras when Sawchuk, Hall and Plante were playing. They would also be ties. To do it right I’d make wins in parentheses both with OT and Shoot-outs and without. That would give a more accurate version of a goaltenders stats. The only argument could be that your play it differently, but not really, the shoot-out was created because teams were playing it safe to get a point the same we they are now to make sure they get to OT and don’t blow it.... The same should be done to teams points, all games that go to OT shouldn’t get a w for a comparative analysis, they should get a tie ... you’d find a lot less teams getting 100 points, and they wild cards could get in with 85 or so points, which at one point wasn’t a bad season, 90 points used to be considered pretty good and 100 outstanding. Wonder what season in Canucks history would stand up as the one with the most points when you take the loser point out AND take the win out and make it a tie. -
So do the Canucks with their orca shaped like a C. And their original stick in rink is a C too. I guess the difference is MTL and VAN Cs are about their names, where as Calgary’s is about their city. Not really copying anyone at this point given we’ve played this long with a C anyways ...
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If Pat Quin didn’t straight up refuse and stand his ground that may just have happened as they (new owners) wanted too. Yet still there are those that defend it and it’s origins. It’s a dirty little secret that the organization wants to keep quiet, and is a big enough issue with some of the fan base to make them spend money to produce videos memorating the change but not truthfully ... Sigh but here we are saddled with it nonetheless. Not a big fan of the Johnny Canuck idea either but with the new group of guys and a new era I’d get over it pretty quickly. Even better just embrace the first look, critics like it NOW, back then not so much, it looks good, is simple, has enough recognition in the fan base (and would more than appease those that never approved of the Orca) and IS our actual roots. Seems to me like full circle would work for pretty much everyone.
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I’d be happy if they went this way. It’s roots always smelt fishy, pun intended, it’s grown on me since but an entire new look or back full circle to the original would be a breath of fresh air. Id understand how fans who grew up with the orca would feel with a change, had to do that a few times myself going from the V to the skate to the orca...but only one of them had to do with a company branding our team, and it is all of ours, the fans themselves are the ultimate stakeholders as it’s our hard earned cash that pays for it all. The current uniform is the best version of the orca entertainment era by far, but it’s roots still stink. Yeah I’ve seen their promotional propaganda videos using Lindens good name to make it work, but it was still them doing it, paying his salary and the corporation came before the Logo. Keep the colours, blue and green work for Vancouver and BC (although rain clouds would be more authentic ha ha), swipe the Logo for something new, keep the mascot for nostalgic reasons. I’m with Tiger on this one, would rather go back to any of the former sweaters or make an entirely new one than just add a few things and keep the orca. We haven’t won a cup with them...until then we can keep being neurotic about changing it up...50th is a big deal, why not make a splash.
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Congrats to Lu - moving up in all time wins - Luuuu
IBatch replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Take out the shoot out wins and make them ties like they would have been through almsot all of Broduers career, and it changes everything. There is a reason why 400 wins used to be considered a high water mark and a shoe-in for the HHOF territory. Luongo has well over 50 wins that should be considered ties and he’s not a very good shoot-out goalie...well over 100 OT losses and wins should really be ties Lunqvist on the other hand has feasted on the shoot out,piling up like 80 wins or something ridiculous. Those should be removed from his win column and put in another newly created column next to ties. MAF too. Even with the extra wins nobody that is playing now has a chance to catch Marty, how many 30 and 40 win seasons did he have, and how many records does he hold? Almsot 700 wins...over two hundred more than third place on the list. And his shut-outs per game played is outstanding too. The trap and era somewhat defined him, but he was a top three goalie for most of his career.. -
SP isn’t everything but it does give us a pretty good idea on how good a goalie is...GAA is more of a team stat, I’m glad they stopped automatically giving the Vezina to the goalie on the team that played more games with the lowest GAA years ago as there is a lot more going on with those teams, usually. If you go back the period in the dead puck era when Hasek was dominanting (dominator indeed) and winning Vezinas year after year (and the Hart), his sp was way above his peers, and would stand up today as excellent. Its not everything, but for the most part good goalies make the first two or even three saves despite how bad their defence may be, and their sp is one of the main metrics used in comparing them to their peers. Markstrom has a long way to there still if you average out the season...not so much at all his last seven games though.
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Sure did, and for a stretch of five years or so was a money goaltender in hockey pools, one of the few guys you could bank on getting close to or over 40 wins a season. Other guys to hit that mark include Smith, Anderson, Holtby, Luongo, Andersson (this year for sure), Neimi (for a while he was a money goalie too), Lundqvist (close enough), Quick, MAF, Bobrovsky sure there are others too, going off memory alone and not google. Big name goalies are big names for a reason, they have had decent to long stretches in their careers which is why they hang around when others fade out - they are number ones. Markstrom is playing excellent hockey right now, he did it again last night, too bad the team couldn’t score on who was that in net again that got his first career shutout in how many games played? Without his pedigree there is no way he would have been given a rope long enough to even get to this year on non rebuilding teams at least, does Benning have Alf’s crystal ball or something? I like the new and improved model.... edit oh yesr Dubnyk, Hellebucyk and new kid on the block Vasilevsky..
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If your going to do that then you have to compare them to the goalies of that era. Aside from Roy, Brodeur (who had both great defenseman and the trap to thank for some of his stats) and Beflour, most goalies had a sub .900 sp. Then the trap, goalie equipment, the butterfly (before Roy nine out of ten goals were scored along the ice, SO anyone who could drop down when a shot is taken and butterfly the posts automatically gets a .900 SP) and monster size goalies including Markstrom and Nilsson who cover a much larger portion of the net just by standing there and doing nothing then say Vernon and Fuhr who had to move around to make saves...just saying. Hasek has a sp of .925 or greater several times..he was an alien. Markstrom has the tools to be a great goalie, and he’s doing well now, but needs to do well for a much longer sample size before he’s a legit number one
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Mike Smith proved himself several times going back a long time ago in Pheonix when he took them to the conference final with a rag-tag of misfits...Markstrom has received a lot of criticism, and rightly so (how many games did he play before his first SO again) after coming into the league as a supposed cant miss goalie, hence the long, long rope (there are dozens of goalies that would have loved that and who knows how they could have done). Is he a legit number one? I hope so.. has he been in the past ? Not even close. Bennings strategy over what we need going forward and the teams chances for success in the last couple years have rided on how well he performs...if he wanted a Miller again he would have found, well a Smith. To answer the OPs question id say a .917 or above SP over the rest of the season and the entire next one, If he can do that I will become a believer, oh and six-eight SO by the end of next year too, number ones should be able to steal a game at any given time.
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Tanking Economy Will Affect NHL?
IBatch replied to Nuxfanabroad's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Nothing compared to their third homes, luxury cars and easy living. They will survive. The NHL has grown billions since the lock-out, everyone but the average NHLer has got richer (those guys are getting pushed out early in favour of ELCs and college phenoms), Vaneks stuck around and for pittance compared to his production but that’s the way things are now.. -
Tanking Economy Will Affect NHL?
IBatch replied to Nuxfanabroad's topic in General Hockey Discussion
That’s scary. Scary because I could see that happening, LA too. It says a lot for parity when a club can go from one side of the spectrum to the other so quickly. LA not so much given they’ve never really done anything impressive in the regular season, but CHI has winning their second cup going start to finish with one of the best winning percentages ever (albeit a shortened season). Lying in the weeds indeed. Toews is quietly having one of his best seasons in years, Crawford is concussed and his future is questionable, Kane continues to put up points...and Debricant isn’t too shabby either. If they win the lottery I might throw my remote, or barf or both. -
Tanking Economy Will Affect NHL?
IBatch replied to Nuxfanabroad's topic in General Hockey Discussion
I’ve been going to their games for eight years, usually in the blues (80-90per ticket) sometimes in the reds (add $50-80), if you want to cherry pick a seat way back in the nose bleeds I’m sure you can get a 20$ ticket next to the trash can. And they suck right now. Watch the ARi/Florida/CAR games and see how empty the reds are and it’s not surprising that this guy made that post. Some teams almost sell out even when they suck, others barely fill the house unless they are winning cups. -
Tanking Economy Will Affect NHL?
IBatch replied to Nuxfanabroad's topic in General Hockey Discussion
The NHL had its biggest test in 2008-2009 when the world faced its biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. Funny, when people were losing their homes and life savings, NHL players enjoyed 8+ % raises over the next couple years. And with that money they could in return invest in a market that bottomed out. Nah, I don’t for a minute think that the NHL will be affected by anything the market throws at them, they grew last time, and likely will again. Apparently hockey matters once or twice a year for enough fans, even if they can’t pay their mortgage, and that’s enough to keep it going. Have been challenging anyone who thinks the cap won’t continue going up for years, it’s just the way it is. They keep getting richer. -
Since Hitchcock arrived the Oilers have become one of the best in our division and one of the better teams in the NHL. Often a coaching change results in a teams fortunes changing (part a result of the actual coaching, and pairtly to do with the players themselves aware of the fact trades might follow so they play harder) and Hicth has a good record for this. A year and a few months ago; Vegas has the Oilers as the highest odds to win the cup before the year started and many in the hockey world pegged them as contenders. Fast forward half a season and McDavid was way behind Kucherov the scoring leader at the time, and they had dug an impossible hole, the second half nobody scored as many points as McDavid and they had a respectable record. Much had been written and talked about as far as their defense goes, and now Klefbom is out for at least a month...do you think they can keep it up and show the real team was the one that almsot went to the conference final, or do you think they simply don’t have enough parts and are doomed to mediocrity.
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Torts is like Keenan in a lot of ways, the squeeze only works for so long, eventually the players tire of it. And the millennials in the lineup won’t last long before tuning him out, but those that don’t could turn into really good players. Werenski has been through the blender and has trouble staying healthy, and they are facing losing both Panarin and Bobrovsky...if Torts doesn’t adapt this could be his last gig as head coach.
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Seattle Expansion Draft - Who do the Canucks protect?
IBatch replied to lukchin's topic in Canucks Talk
Seatle ownership is spending 2 billion in expansion fees, an arena renovation (why not tear it down and start from scratch it would have been cheaper?), parking lots, three sheets of ice for a practice facility etc..all privately financed. That’s a lot of dough, the league won’t want any delays because of a labour dispute and I believe will wish to extend the same deal with some alterations to allow owners a chance to purge some bad deals (just like last time, another two or three buy-outs permitted). I think the NHLPA has more greviances than the NHL, under the cap the league has flourished and solidified profits for all ownership (a very elite and exclusive partnership under the cap they are all together and revenues shared). The players that can play well are getting richer but the bulk is getting screwed.. -
Seattle Expansion Draft - Who do the Canucks protect?
IBatch replied to lukchin's topic in Canucks Talk
Only first and second year pros are exempt so yes we will have to protect them. Including this season there are three full seasons of hockey before the draft. That means anyone who’s starting their career this year will have to be protected if we want to guarantee they stay on the team. Next year no. So Brock, Bo and Pettersson definitely, maybe Hughes if he plays later this season too. But Demko, Dahlen and the bulk of our other prospects won’t be ready yet which is good news. At his point we don’t have to worry about this expansion much, we will likely lose a guy like Goldobin or maybe even Beagle... -
Seattle Expansion Draft - Who do the Canucks protect?
IBatch replied to lukchin's topic in Canucks Talk
I was thinking the same thing. If ever there was a time that the players could put the league over a barrel again this is it. They still don’t acknowledge that they want to work under cap, Ferh has been both diplomatic and clear on this point, almsot like he’s making sure that the media and the league knows this. I also wonder if the league itself timed it for their own benefit, to show a vote of confidence that there will be no labour dispute and its business as usual. The cap works for what its intended to do for the LEAGUE, and approximately 20% of the union. The bulk of the guys get their pay trimmed mostly in how many years they can expect employment. The wily vet demographic no longer gets another contract after their third one, or if they do it’s for peanuts and one year deals - see Vanek, 50 pts and 2 million last year etc, and he’s the lucky one, see Hartnell and a whole pile of others who are a tier down barely make it into their 30. Personally I think this is something the majority of the NHLPA holds against the cap in general and at some point might go to task again over it. Can’t be fun for the stars either, knowing that their paycheques cut into their peers longevity and the clubs ability to ice a winner. Tavares cashed out on what TO is promoting as a team friendly deal using SJ 13 million offer etc...well funny thing is SJ taxes are higher and the bottom line isn’t far off, plus his endorsement deals are better in the hockey capital too. Once Mathews and Marner signs they will be in tight to make the rest work...Horvat makes the same as Messier did when he was here, not saying pre-cap was good because it wasn’t, personally I think a hybrid would help with this a lot, allow each team a franchise player or dollar amount that doesn’t count towards the cap, with the same monetary restrictions (say 15% of the total cap or something, 20% is too much). -
Seattle Expansion Draft - Who do the Canucks protect?
IBatch replied to lukchin's topic in Canucks Talk
Agreed, same with signing Hughes and giving him games to burn his first year, but I’d forgive that given what he did for Boeser etc, and to be honest I can’t wait to see him in uniform. If things go as they are supposed to, the Canucks could lose a lot more than a Sbisa this time around, I remember how many CDCers were freaking out over losing Gaunce, where other teams were up against the wall and let guys that would play on our first line right now go (not talking about Karlsson, no way CLB exposes him if they thought he’d go on and score forty plus goals). Florida let a thirty goal scorer go because he was undersized and they had other assets they believed were better, Theodore is at least a comparable or better for OJ too. We are deluded ourselves into thinking they’d pick LE, by then he might not even be on the team, and Vegas passed on those anchor types in favour for guys that were decent and close to finishing their contracts (Neal, Perron etc). And they for Fluery...I sure bet PIT wishes they traded Murray for something when his stock was high and kept MAF, five shutouts in NOV, first star of the month etc. Hes not even that old, younger than Rinne by a couple years and NSH is still kicking that can hoping for a cup. And his cap hit is palatable too. Weird. Vancouver might lose a Gaudette, Goldobin type, and that’s a lot better than a Gaunce...the CDC is going to implode...at least so far we don’t have any NMC to deal with and NTC dont count. -
Seattle Expansion Draft - Who do the Canucks protect?
IBatch replied to lukchin's topic in Canucks Talk
Nope we don’t, anyone with a NTC can be left exposed, only NMC have to be protected (at least that’s how it was in the Vegas draft and they announced the same rules apply). Only thing is would they even take him? -
All three of those deals is better for the Leafs on paper than one AM...
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You bet. He’s more than met expectations, after mostly a year off Center it was far from certain he could manage the switch back, especially in the best league in the world, all he’s done is impressed. 200 foot game, hate losing attitude, it will be infectious. Wasn’t expecting us to be as good as we were when healthy, still a lot of hockey left it would be awesome if your right, one more top seven pick would help too though.
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(Discussion) Sign Duchene 7yrs/49m, yay or nay?
IBatch replied to billabong's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Skip Duchene and sign Stone. He’s proven he can do a lot with very little and is consistent, he’s one of the most underrated forwards in the league and might be able to get him for less than other stars with more name recognition. He’d give us two legitimate scoring lines.