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The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Hull and Mikita, we're the best pairing CHI's ever had. Apologies to Kane and Toews. One of the best tandems all time. They owned the league offensively for the better part of a decade. Lindsay Howe. Another awesome line for the original six guys. -
NHL Hockey Trivia Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Even without a goalie, that line likely wins lol. Wayne Gretzky Mario (Mathews) Coffey Orr (there is your extra super-star forward, plus some nasty..Borque was tempting though, so was Howe) Lundqvist Just have to go with the 3 GOATs. Coffey and Orr would be too fun to watch together, same with Borque and Orr. Edit: Crap see I need a current player. So take out Mario (ugh) and insert Mathews (double ugh). -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
As an expanded list, there isn't many more guys who had 3 Art ross's period. Hull 3, Mikita 4. Mario 6. Jagr 5. Gretzky 9. Lafluer 3. Espo 5. Howe 6. Howe actually gave Esposito a run for his money at age 40 though, 68-69 I think, with his first and only 100 plus point season. Two managed that for the first time in league history that year. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Art Ross winners with 3 or more in a row. McDavid 3 (so far), 20 years before his first of those 3, Jagr just completed his 4th in a row, in the deep part of the dead puck era. Gretzky 7 (tied for lead league one other time, and injured another year ... otherwise could have been 9) in a row. Lafluer, all 3 of his were in a row. Espo 4 in a row. Howe 4 in a row. That's it. The entire list. Mario split his 6 Art Ross's with Gretzky and later Jagr. So ... Only six guys in NHL history have managed 3, and so far, only four guys 4 in a row. Jagr often get overlooked in all-time rankings. Was the best player in the world during the dead puck era. And after the lockout, scored 123 points, 54 goals at 33 .. Thornton scored 125 and Cheechoo 58 goals. What a difference removing the redline, and reducing obstruction made, who would have thought? Things finally looked bright again. Ovi and Crosby both scored over 100 points. Rookies. 7 guys managed that, 14 90 or more, 26 80 or more. Like things used to be, well without a Mario or Gretzky, an Espo or Jagr. In 1993-1994, which is considered the last year before the dead puck era even though for years up to then, guys like Hull, Mario were extremely vocal about obstruction (of course it was already trending like that for awhile...expansion and NJ cemented, even getting all the Russian players wasn't enough talent to spread around), there were 8 guys with 100 or more points, Gretzky won his final Art Ross on a bad LA team, with 130. 21 had 90 or more. An awesome list of players too. 36 with 80 or more. Back to post lockout. Jagr was 33, 123 (scored 99 in 94), Alfie who was drafted in 94, at age 33, 104 Selanne at age 35 scored 90. Sakic at age 36 scored 87 (second best dead puck era forward after Jagr IMO) scored 92 at age 24 in 94, at 37 would score his final 100 plus season ... Shanny scored 40 goals 81 points at age 37, in 1994 scored 102 at age 25. Lidstrom had his most productive season, only one a PPG player, 80 in 80 games at age 35. Sundin 34 score 78, in 1994 at 22 scored 85... Zubov, after years of 50 or so points, exploded for 71 at age 35 (second most of D's that year), in 1994 he led the Rangers with 87 points. Modano at 35 scored 77. There are loads of other guys in their 30's who saw a big bump in their scoring. Who would have thought removing the redline and calling the rules closer to the book, would make such a difference. It's too bad the league expanded past its talent level. And needed to remove the nuetral zone trap with a rule that changed the game entirely. Sped the game up, removing an extra pass and the caution required to deal with three lines. Don't mind they did that, but do miss the physicality and hitting the game had with big dudes like Craig Ludwig and Hatcher. One oddity, was Iginla at 28, scoring 67. And Sundin just seemed to score his regular point per game plus a bit no matter what era. Edit: As an aside, there are a few guys who likely could have passed Howe in scoring, if they didn't lose 1.5 or more seasons to lockouts. Jagr probably had 2000 points in the bag. Didn't matter what sort of game, he could do it all. Messier maybe had a shot as well. Sakic to and Francis also had a shot at Howes spot. If there is a tier below Gretzky, Orr, Howe and Mario, Jagr for sure deserves consideration. Crosby, Ovi, Hull, Espo, Yzerman, Sakic, Coffey and Borque ... maybe Lafluer and Bossy all do too. Bobby Hull scored a lot of pro goals. Messier maybe too. Beliveau too, his last cup begged to stay on one more year, weren't even supposed to make the playoffs, and with Dryden, beat the peak Orr/Boston team. Goalies, Sawchuk, Roy, Plante and Hasek. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Yes he was. PHI was a powerhouse in the 90's. Those were fun games to watch, big mean skilled teams. Shanny has a good story about Detroit's first run of cup's (97 and 98). Up to then Detroit had a reputation as a great regular season team, but flopped in the playoffs. Have to lose to learn how to win often though. The script at the time was "This is Eric's time, he just easily handled Messier and co, and time to get the parade route ready in Philly". Detroit wasn't the favourite. Shanny goes on to say " Everyone wrote us off before the series started. Eric was the heir apparent, and they just manhandled Messier and the Rangers, no way we could match their physicality right?" . "We knew by the third shift, we had this in the bag." "The 2002 team might have been the best, but they'd have better beat us in the four, otherwise they'd be limping by game 7 against the 97-98 cup teams". "We'd pick one or two stars, each team, and either knock them out of the series, or off their game". "The 97-98 teams...well we'd be winning 5-1 in a nothing regular season game, third period almost over, then Vlad would knock someone out, and instead of drinking the beer after the game, we'd be icing our knuckles." Konstantinov, if it wasn't for his accident, Detroit had a shot at a run at six cups. Holland said "Vladdy had a higher career trajectory at the time, than Lidstrom. " His last two seasons, was 2nd and 4th in Norris votes, and getting recognized as a two way all around force, was just fun to watch him with the puck and without. Led the league in plus minus, plus 60 his second to last season. Truly too bad. Edit: A shot. Those COL teams were great too. Detroit and COL met in the post season 7 times during that era ... COL won 4 of those series. Only Dallas managed to get past them. Twice. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Yes. And the league gave an 8th Art Ross trophy to Dionne, that they tied in points, Gretzky had a goal or two less ... in less games. They really weren't fully supporting Gretzky, the WHA was an annoying chapter in the NHL lives, some guys said he "wouldn't make the Toronto 's 50's teams". Puny arms. No way he'd make it through one year without getting pounded into a stretcher. So 11 of his 20 years, he led the league in scoring, one of those tied. What is even more impressive is how far ahead he was to second best ... and those were some great players. Dionne, Lafleur, Goulet, Stastny, Hawerchuk, Bossy, Yzerman, Messier, Kurri, later Sakic, Bure, Federov, Mogilny, Sundin etc etc etc.. His last Art Ross was on a bad/mediocre LA team. The writing was on the wall after making it to the final, things started falling apart. 1992-93 ... considered retirement, came back and had one last great run. NYR was close too, had an epic series against PHI, who went to the final that year, both Gretzky and Lindros scoring a hat trick in the same game. So maybe that was his last great series ... 1997 I think. Almost 20 years after he became pro, in the dead puck era, against a pretty awesome team. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
I'm quick to point out other great players of that era that did pretty awesome in the 90's too. And guys from the 70's that also did pretty great in the 80's. And ones in the 90's who dominated the 2000's. Gretzky's career crossed over those players. Most folks got to see some of Sakic, Jagr, Selanne, Forsberg, Lidstrom, Francis etc ... Coffey and Borque played against those guys too. Dionne, Trottier, Bossy, Lafleur, Robinson, Potvin, Clarke, Gainey etc. Funny thing about save percentages. They all went up in the 90's, including Patrick Roy's, and it wasn't like he was a patsy in the 80's. Nice to see them go back down to around .903 again. Maybe, just maybe, part of that had to do with the sheer talent level too. And talent levels finally catching up to expansion too. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Yes. Also pretty sure his second thousand points came in pretty close to the same number of games too. 857 games actually. So his second thousand points, was scored slightly faster than his first 1000. 684 of those goals. About the same number games as Bossy played...And six less goals than Mario, in 58 less games, and 277 more points, in 58 less games. Edit: Maybe him leading the league 16 of 20 seasons in assists is another record to consider... including 2 of his final 3 years, in the dead puck era. Maybe could have done it in 92-93 if he wasn't injured. Mario did it 3 times too. Not sure who did it the other one his last season. Bossy managed one Richard when Gretzky played plus one before, Gretzky 5, Mario 3. So they split them to a degree (Bossy likely gets a bunch more). Ovi, a remarkable 9 in his 18 seasons and counting ... -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Yep. Would have to average 143.65 points over a 20 year career. Only a handful of guys not named Gretzky managed one season like that. Every level, just dominated. -
[Report/Rumour] Elias Pettersson Contract Talks
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Revenue sharing could be written into the CBA to create a median rated. Start looking at contracts as net pay, based on 44% taxes (about the median). It's a complicated thing for sure, that said nothing the average accountant could create a system for fairly quickly. Heck there already is a calculator on the internet for anyone to use, takes seconds to compare rates. Have NHL dollars. And work from there. Adjust the entire cap based on that. If agents started to work with one system, it would be a lot easier to negotiate deals as well. Another option is lower and raise teams caps. You don't have to be a cap team. 16% plus is too much of a range. And it takes no time to get to the 53% bracket TO, VAN, OTT, VAN have to work with (players salaries, even the modest or low paid ones). 36.4%-53%. Yikes. Look at the mental gymnastics Gillis made to keep that team together (clauses, even Hansen had one, and of course Luongo's deal which allowed us to add a top four D), back then we had the same bracket as CAL and EDM as well. 47-48%. With what's going on in WNP and CAL right now and recently...and how much Dubas had to shell out ... Well it's no wonder cup teams and most finalists or final four ones, are no or low state tax teams. It's for sure a real issue. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
This is Wayne Gretzky's most unbeatable record. He's the only player in the history of the game, that makes hyperbole seem understated. This was in one year. Ridiculous. People drove for hours just to watch him score five or six goals a game or whatever that averages out to be. -
6 of nine lists had him at first, 3 had him second (like I said, Gregirenko getting all 3 of the other sources). Of course you can find things. Also ISS is usually very good. A consensus first overall. Didn't feel he was that hyped, no more then a regular draft with a consensus first overall. That's some high praise by Bowman, thanks for clarifying. Every year, THN compares the first round to someone. Only guys that don't come out is Orr, Mario and Gretzky as comps. Mario was brought up though with Daigle ... Personally didn't find Yakupov hyped no more then a regular consensus first overall. Dahlin "next Lidstrom" that was a little nuts. Some drafts are not like others. 2012 wasn't a good draft. EPs draft was considered underwhelming at the time. Hard to get into Nolan Patrick versus WJ breakout candidate Hirschier and get excited like Mathews and McDavid recent drafts ... however look at that draft now. 3 guys tracking for the HHOF, and like I said, Heiskanen is a way better comp to Lidstrom then Dahlin. Never saw Lidstrom in Dahlins game. For one his frame is much larger. Larry Murphy maybe, as his "best case" comp. And he won't make that comp either. Unlikely either, but suppose it has something to with him being Swedish. He's already storming up the list. Heiskanen though, his game looks a lot more like Lidstrom's. Just does everything well, it's no surprise some experts have Dallas going to the final or winning the cup this year. They have Vegas a run for their money. Yakupov is a worthy pick for biggest bust all-time, so kudos. But never bought into his hype either. Rarely buy into any hype, that comes with perspective, used to in the 90's, late 80's though. Daigle for sure got me. Was over the top ... imagine OTT saying NO to a trade, for Forsberg, Owen Nolan and picks. Both teams were fooled. Nuts.
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[Report/Rumour] Elias Pettersson Contract Talks
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
See above post. I agree it can be done. The other thing the CBA needs to address, is contract length. And second contracts specifically. Players hate escrow, yet get it up the proverbial butt when it comes to buyouts. It's a class system these days. Good serviceable vets, take peanuts to keep playing, much better options than the AHL call-ups to balance rosters or rushing guys on ELC's. 20% of the players, make 80% of the cap doesn't bother me, however there are simply too many bad contracts handed out. RFA's should be limited to 4-5 years second deals. And UFAs should shave a year off that too. 6-7 instead of 7-8. Used to be like the Sedins and Naslund. Multiple contracts, limited it length. That system worked. The carrot goes away pretty fast these days. Another way to deal with this maybe, is to add a soft cap. Give the players a bigger slice of the pie, but have conditions, contract length really should be ELC 4 years, RFA 4-5 years, UFAs 5-6 years. This way a team gets a better chance to get out of their rebuild cycle and a real window with stars on their ELC's. PIT didn't win a cup with Crosby on his. LA didn't either, only CHI won one, and that was with only one guy on his ELC. It's not a "real window". ANA won a cup, but it wasn't Perry and Getzlaf carrying the mail. It was Selanne's line and Pronger/Neidermayer etc. Sure it helped though. Make that window, a reap window. Do the same thing with star players, instead of 4 years, if they are good enough, let them play 9 games and reduce their ELC to 3 years. Instead of the 2 we did with Brock and QHs. The system is working, but agree with Burke, teams shouldn't be giving out 3rd contract money on second deals. It's what GMs do now, gambling all the time. Sometimes it works great, others it simply is terrible. Brock was bridged. Hasn't earned his paycheque since his ELC, not even close. QHs is how it should look. EP... we are going to pay dearly now. But at least he earned it last year. He didn't the year before. JT Miller, Stamkos and Tavares are examples of how second deals should look, or deals that take different level players to UFA years. Dubas ruined it for so many teams. But it was trending that way for a few years already, his deals cemented the trend. It can be somewhat justified based on taxes. But the only player that actually earned that sort of cap percentage, was actually Tavares. Because he put his time in. It's for sure created a class surf system, and it's the journeymen lunch pail guys whose wallets are getting lighter to pay for it. The on ice product is also affected. AHL call-ups etc. Pretty tough to have 6 defenseman these days. And 3 scoring lines. Bobrovsky takes home more money than McDavid. Like the No CAP come playoffs. Would like to see the "soft cap" add to that, Makes for a better playoffs. -
[Report/Rumour] Elias Pettersson Contract Talks
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Thing is, the "spirit" of the CBA is a level playing field. Think you'd be surprised, bet the NHLPA would be divided for sure. One way to do it, is create a cap that's based on net pay instead. The owners would take a bit of a hit but it would all even out too. CALI and NY teams also pay huge taxes. ANA, SJ, LA, Buffalo, NYR, NYI are actually the next tier of taxed teams after TO, MTL, VAN, WNP. Then EDM and CAL after the jock tax states. Then a big drop where the rest are around 40-42%. Then no state tax teams of which Seattle was added. What could work, is give the first two tiers a break, and even it up to around 44%. Bring down EDM and CAL tom 47-48%. Just take the median. Wouldn't be too hard to do, actuaries/accountants could figure it out easily. Don't make it an escrow account, call it something else. Adjust the caps accordingly. Ours would go up, by 9%. -
Good points Biestra (like usual). Linden versus Modano was a bit of a thing too. Whom to pick first overall. Used to read a book called "young stars" circa 1994-1995. Full of glossy pictures and bios on about 20 players. Linden and Bure were of course in it. So was Modano. They said that Linden was always their guy, even if we had the first. And that at the time, both Modano and Linden were tracking to end up in the HHOF. Remember the comment vividly, paraphrasing "Linden's long stride is skating its way to the HHOF". We'd just beaten Modano's Stars in a hard fought series. It was an interesting book, some of those guys went on to have great careers, others mediocre or fell off the planet. Who'd have thought drafting a baby faced 6'4" clutch winger, would end up the most holy of Canucks all-time. What he did, accomplished by 25 was pretty amazing. Having a Linden on your team, was like getting an automatic bye in the first round. Even when he came back, he elevated his play in the post season. Gretzky also named him, Gelinas, Bure and McLean, as why he wanted to sign with us in his book (a couple others too, Hedican I think too, his point saying we were an up and coming team in the NHL at the time). Doubt he'd have asked for the C either. Although Linden likely would have given it to him anyways, that's the type of team player he was. Hard to stomach even now, that team was just entering its prime.
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Maybe some got overexcited, but then the same could be said of Zadina and Svecknikov a little while later (consensus 2-3 picks) Svecknikov did pace Yakupov.. For decades now, subscribe to the Hockey News, get a few dedicated prospect mags a year. Also follow ISS, because well , that's their job. Makes for some good fantasy teams, and a fun pass-time. Don't take my record for JB picks though. Not JV. Mathew T for sure over OJ, was shocked we didn't take him, especially after what he did on the way to the memorial cup. Valardi over Glass, Bouchard over Dobson (didn't want QHs or Boqvist too small), and Podz for sure. Even called it before the draft, that he might slip from a consensus 3-4 all the way to us. That's a good team I guess. More hits anyways. MT = EP maybe. Valardi is expected to move up eventually, even with PLD, THN has his with over 50 points this year. JV's pick would also be on the team or playing in the NHL still. But tough to defend those picks either. EP and QHs were great picks of course. So i'm not an expert, despite being informed. Yakupov for sure wasn't considered a slam dunk superstar, By definition, there can only by a couple superstars in the league at one time. Perennial first and second team all-star. At most a couple centers, wingers (maybe), D's and maybe a goalie, maybe not because the position is so fickle. McDavid, McKinnon, maybe Kucherov or before Kane, Hedman for quite awhile, Makar now, and before EK and maybe Doughty. Luongo, Broduer. Vasilevsky maybe now. All drafts are not created equal. EPs for example, was considered underwhelming. Didn't end up that way at all though. Yakupov and Patrick are busts considering their draft slot. So is Stefan (he's close though). Scouts consider the bust line for first overall - or the bust line, as 700 games. Yakupov played six seasons, 350 games, 136 points. Also lost time to the lockout and was rushed. Maybe you got caught up in some CDC hype? Every year, there seems to be a half dozen or so threads to trade the farm to move up and get the first. Including some for Nolan Patrick who for most of the year, was considered the best prospect. Dahlin got over the top ridiculous on the CDC and a little in the real world too. Yakupov and his 2012 draft class was garden variety as far as hype goes, he wasn't a clear cut first overall like some drafts, but for sure low hanging fruit for that spot (McDavid, Crosby, Mathews, Dahlin) ... Grigerenko was hyped too, Yakupov but wasn't lower than 2 on most lists either. For sure a consensus first overall, by two to one approx. For a couple years some folks wanted to add him to our team based on his first overall. Stamkos was hyped more, same team, and wasn't overly hyped either, no superstar handle, just a very solid blue chip pick who can fill the net. And it's not like his stats were eye popping his draft year either (Yakupov). He's still playing in the KHL BTW. For sure maybe someone said his peak could be Bure. Whom did though ? And what is the context. For example, every year THN does a bio of average of ten scouts, and rank them. And on the bottom have "best case" whom the player might be able to turn out, best case. For OJ they had "Vlasic", for sure would have worked out great for us IF that was the case. Best case doesn't happen often though, it's simply that, best case. Felt Hall was hyped more. Which Taylor to pick, of those first overalls with EDM for sure (Seguin or Hall). You're right, he was a busteroo. And a valid selection. Good pick.
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Yakupov wasn't touted as a "once in a generation player". Some Goofs were actually saying Daigle would be better than Mario. When Crosby came in, he was heavily hyped at a young age, but no more then Tavares was, another "generational" talent. McDavid was also given that handle, so actually was Jack Hughes. They don't come along that often, and they are more miss than hit too (generational). Daigle hype was massive. So was Lindros hype. Lindros actually lived up to it for awhile, he was a great player. Today? He'd absolutely destroy everyone. Weren't many that could handle Lindros when the league was dialed in to handle anyone. Tom Wilson? Ha ha ha. Patrick Stefan? Even Dahlin "the next Lidstrom" was hyped as generational. Unless your breaking records, or approaching them its a loosely used term, and Daigle is the original poster boy for that. Said it at the time, it's Heiskanen who looks and plays the Lidstrom game. Not sure how Dahlin looks or plays that game. He's a lot bigger for one. Time yet ... let's see what he does at 27-40. Edit: Tavares, Crosby, McDavid and J Hughes were identified very young. Most recently, J Hughes was considered a first overall pick 3 years before it happened by THN. That's not the norm really. Quebec was ok with trading Forsberg, Owen Nolan, Ron Hextall and draft picks to draft Daigle lol. Yikes...lucky for them Ottawa also thought that highly of him. In my life anyways, Daigle is the guy who didn't come close to the hype. Stamkos and Mathews a lot less. Stamkos has had a better career than Tavares. All 3 likely end up in the HHOF. None were touted as "generational" except Tavares. Will also say, both Crosby and McDavid were a tad underwhelming given the hype their WJ's seasons. Both absolutely brought it. Claude Girouix for a little while .. was pacing Crosby, just a little bit behind him, not much behind him anyways. Mentorship from Mario for sure helped Crosby. Jack Hughes is more of the normal arc, same with Joe Thornton and Stamkos. One year at least. And Daigle should be used as a case study as to why "once in a generation" should stick to just that. Heck Chychrun was a front runner for first at one point. If you're 13-15 and lapping the field right up to the draft, then generational is fair.
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[Report] Carl Hagelin announces retirement
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
One of the faster skaters of his era and probably any era. That's his claim to fame. Mason Raymond plus. -
Who is your All-Canadian Team?
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Agreed. It's not like we can't get a hot goalie either. But wow, usually a tough decision which of the 2-4 to pick. Instead it's like yikes! Who's the hot hand? We at least can ice a great forward group as usual, and a top D like usual. Stone is also great defensively. Crosby is no slouch either. Going past the five of course. -
[Report/Rumour] Elias Pettersson Contract Talks
IBatch replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Yep. 36.4%-53% is quite the range. It's becoming tougher to ignore. -
Who is your All-Canadian Team?
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
They sure have us in net. Edge us otherwise. Can we get a better goalie? -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Know the "you tube" generation doesn't get it to a degree ... but anyone who watched Jagr should. Or Sakic. Or Alfie. Or the Sedins, or Crosby or McDavid. It's really not that hard to chase it back. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Crosby came in at the perfect time - post lockout. A ton of guys who were just starting out in the early-mid 90's, had some oomph in their steps after the lockout. Jagr, Sundin, Alfie, Zubov, Selanne, Lidstrom, Iginla, Sakic etc. Scoring was down, from lack of talent more than anything. Thorton, Marleau, St. Louis and the Sedins led the new guard really. Giroux, Crosby, Ovi, pGetzlaf, Perry, Kane were also off to a good starts. But if the guys in their mid-late 30's, are carrying the mail, it's not an era related thing. It's a talent related thing. Alfie scored over 100 at 34, Sakic at 37, Selanne was the man right until the end his final Olympics, his swan song. I doubt prime Crosby is going to score 150 in todays game. The talent just finally is catching up to all that expansion. If the wall didn't go down ... the 90's wouldn't have found the players to go to 24 teams either. Do think that Crosby could have had one boffo season in there, if it wasn't for his concussion's. -
The Wayne Gretzky Discussion Thread
IBatch replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
So ... which of Gretzky's records will never be broken? Here's a rundown from an article: 10. Most Art Ross trophies - 10. Lowest one 130 points. Without checking their math, he won by an average of 195.5 during that span lol. Good luck McDavid! 9. 92 goals. Good luck Mathews. Hull came close one year (Gretzky was second in Hart votes that year too). 8. 163 assists. Yikes. Ok .. well aside from Mario a couple times, who else has even scored that many points? 7. 1072 pro goals. Exactly one more than Gordie Howe, of course that took him parts of five decades though lol. Ovi, won't catch that one. Not unless he's playing until he's 45 anyways. 6. 1963 regular season assists. Plus another 64 in the WHA ... plus 260 in the playoffs .. on enough said. 5. 9 Harts, all his first decade. Yikes. Also the only guy to get 100% of first place votes. Not all trophies are the same. A finalist a bunch of times too. 4. 2857 points. No matter how you want to "era adjust", it's never going to be broken. 3. 3 consecutive 200 plus point years, 4 overall. Also on pace to do it a fifth time, but was injured. 2. 51 game point streak. Gaudy in itself. Even gaudier that he scored 61 goals, 92 assists and 153 points during that stretch. So in 60% of the games played, he bested McDavids best season so far. 1. 50 goals, in 39 games. That's a record, that is probably the easiest to beat on this entire list. Which is goofy. The fact he scored 9 of those goals the in games 38 and 39 trying to do just that (break the record) shows just what sort of athlete he was when he focused. Honourable mention. 122 playoff goals. And 382 playoff points. IF they kept that EDM together, likely have a lot, lot more. But still. That's 149 more than third place. Messier is second with 295 points. Crosby has the most of active players, with 201. 24 of those goals were GWG... tied with Brett Hull for most in history. Gretzky is 16th in league history for games played, yet has double the playoff points then all but six players. -
(Speculation) VGK expected to sign Max Comtois to PTO
IBatch replied to RWJC's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Our bottom six is puny. Our top six isn't big either, but respectable. We for sure need to replace that or we will never get by Vegas style teams. Don't know why this team has such an aversion to guys prime guys like Reaves, Deslaurier, Martin and Maroon. And guys like Manson. Sure wished we traded for him while we could. If Pearson, Miller, Horvat, and Brock is your "size", good luck. Right now who is our size? Podz and Joshua? Ilya M? EP should grow into his frame some more which is encouraging. Miller at least throws so hits, but is no Cam Neely either. At least Garland plays with a chip on his shoulder, too bad he's not 6'4, 230lbs.