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Then sign a veteran one and let DiPietro develop in Utica.
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I wonder if we could capitalize on Lind in a trade like LA did to us with Vey. I don't really think he's going to be a difference maker at the NHL. Maybe even offer him to Seattle to take on the final year of Roussel's deal.
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It's weird with Myers. I've never thought he was on the same level of garbage as guys like Gudbranson, but he's severely miscast here. Hughes put up his best shot metric numbers with Myers because that pairing was extremely sheltered, especially relative to someone like Tanev. However, Myers has been awful at preventing scoring chances and goals against, and it's hard to have two strict OFD on the roster, especially since most PP units only employ one defenceman nowadays. The Fantenberg-Myers pairing was probably the biggest weakspot of the team in 19-20, and in any sort of defensive role against tougher competition Myers is surrendering a lot. He looked fine with Juolevi put that pairing had laughable QOC. No, I don't think he "sucks" necessarily, but when you compare him to other defencemen around the league making 6mil (including two on our team in Edler/Schmidt), he's definitely one of the worst. He's maybe worth 3mil right now, and should be used as a 3rd pairing OFD and PP guy had we not had Hughes sucking up those minutes. Can anyone who thinks Myers is doing really well this season explain why/how, even with the Schmidt-Edler pairing sucking up the toughest minutes, his defensive metrics are terrible? Also tell me how concerned you are that he has the highest PIM on the team.
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[Discussion] How Our Past Offseason Will Hurt Our Future
Josepho replied to Noble 6's topic in Canucks Talk
Here, I'll make one right now. I love Schmidt and Edler. Doing extremely well in some of the league's toughest deployment. Obviously Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Hoglander are all great. Miller was tremendous last year and probably deserves the benefit of the doubt. Hughes has his warts defensively, but I think good coaching could do wonders for his development. MacEwen is good and should be playing every game. Demko is establishing himself as a starter. I'm not an inherently negative person. I'm extremely positive about the management of my favourite team in another sport (Ravens), because I believe in what their management is doing, and they have the results to back up the idea that their plans are working. I don't think it should be too surprising that I'm negative given that the team is about to miss the playoffs for the 5th time in the last 6 years, primarily due to horrific cap management and pro-scouting. I love this team, and want them to win a cup so badly -- that's why I'm speaking so passionately for a management change, because I don't think these guys can get it done. -
[Discussion] How Our Past Offseason Will Hurt Our Future
Josepho replied to Noble 6's topic in Canucks Talk
"Leivo and Stecher .... not worth talking about really. Depth players. We already have lots of them and with the ED looming team looked into Chatfield - Rafferty one game (whom i think they are actually hiding at the moment - doubt his story is over yet)...." either way, hamonic has also done a worse job here than stecher so the point that benning completely whiffed on this is still completely valid. -
Vegas didn't help out anyone by taking terrible long-term contracts, so it's pretty unlikely Seattle will too.
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[Discussion] How Our Past Offseason Will Hurt Our Future
Josepho replied to Noble 6's topic in Canucks Talk
in another thread you literally admitted chatfield was getting destroyed when he was playing. now he's apparently a good enough depth player to replace stecher, who had a 5:1 goals for/against ratio against vegas in the playoffs last season. replacing stecher with chatfield was just a complete misevaluation of talent from the gm. and i'd like to see pro-benning posters acknowledge that basically none of benning's decisions align with statistics. -
Myers isn't even close to Schmidt in terms of actual hockey playing ability. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=VAN&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL OZS% - Schmidt 32.09, Myers 43.32. GF% - Schmidt 53.85, Myers 41.46 xGF% - Schmidt 49.11, Myers 43.53 SF% - Schmidt 50, Myers 44.46 SCF% - Schmidt 46.93, Myers 43.01 Penalty Minutes - Schmidt 2, Myers 39 So, at 5v5, Schmidt (despite playing harder minutes) is doing a better job outscoring and outchancing the opposition with Myers, while taking less penalties, but it's apparently a "shiny new toy" thing. Schmidt is actually a defenceman worth his pricetag, Myers is getting demolished in shot metrics in top 4 minutes (which a 6million player shouldn't be doing). I will genuinely give every poster who responds to this 1k if Seattle actually claims Myers.
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Schmidt is the only defenceman TRULY worth protecting. It would be great to take advantage of some other team (Tampa with Foote/Cernak?) to take someone off their hands, but unfortunately this is the same guy who protected Markus Granlund in the expansion draft -- I'm not expecting clever out-of-box thinking from our GM. I'm expecting a continued infatuation with his own acquisitions and an inability to admit that his players aren't actually that good.
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[Discussion] How Our Past Offseason Will Hurt Our Future
Josepho replied to Noble 6's topic in Canucks Talk
I really wonder if that transaction would've changed the public perception of Jim, or if people would still consider OEL to be good based on name-value and being drafted high like with Myers. -
Such pathetic, unacceptable treatment of a good prospect.
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Yeah but if these really good young players are currently on the team, shouldn't the team be better than 7th last? So that leaves one of two options: the drafted core actually isn't that good, or the supporting cast is complete garbage. Either way, it doesn't paint Jim in a positive light. It's almost as if drafting a young core with high picks is the most basic element of teambuilding, and you need much more to be successful.
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It's interesting how a team with such a good core of drafted players is still 7th last in point percentage after being hired nearly 7 years ago. I wonder why that's the case.
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Nobody is going to show a pulse when they know there's no form of accountability in the organization from the top-down. Benning will blame factors other than his own managing, Green will fail to make adjustments, Roussel will still be in the lineup despite being complete garbage for the entire season. There's no incentive to get better because there's no consequence for inadequacy. This is the same team that kept playing Markus Granlund for 20 minutes nightly for literally no reason.
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Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
There's also the speculation that Brackett left because Benning wanted to do more in the draft himself. A massive part of being a GM is surrounding yourself with other good people. -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
If the forum completely misevaluated the Eriksson contract, shouldn't they learn from that experience that signing players over 30 (especially in positions such as the 2016 Canucks) has a serious risk to it? The bubble playoff run is evidence that Beagle/Roussel are important parts of the team in the same way that Tanner Glass was a big part of the 2011 run. I don't even hate Beagle the player, but I'd rather have someone cheap and be allocating that 2mil elsewhere. I can similarly say that Stecher was an important part of the run, and that Benning was stupid for letting him go. Correlation does not equal causation. The "odd" thing going on with Roussel is that he's an energy player in his 30s, Benning himself saw similar declines in Prust/Dorsett and apparently didn't learn from his mistakes. Pietrangelo/Hall/Toffoli were moreso examples of players to go after when a team is looking to make a deep playoff run (which should be the expectation for our team given how good and cheap our young players currently are). If you want other examples, look at the Lightning acquiring McDonagh or the Blues acquiring O'Reilly. I do agree that there are some risks, but the risk with overspending one elite player making a lot of money is a whole hell of a lot better than spending on multiple mediocre players for the same price. If Myers' replacement is Chatfield, doesn't that say a lot about the defensive depth that Benning himself has built? Maybe if we didn't stupidly get rid of Stecher, we would have actual respectable RD depth. Benning's "ran out of time" comment indicates that Toffoli was intended to be more than just a rental, and that he wasn't smart enough to plan and/or create cap space around him. He clearly wasn't intended to be strictly a rental. There are a lot of dumb NHL GMs out there, so I wouldn't put it past someone to acquire Myers. My issues with Myers are that we give up a lot of chances while he's on the ice and that he takes a $&!# ton of penalties -- these are not qualities that warrant having the 28th highest cap hit amongst defencemen in the entire league. And again, players basically always get worse as they proceed into their 30s -- this is inarguable. -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
There was logic to it, but keep in mind that Loui was a clearly declining asset until he had one season propped up by elite linemates. Benning completely fell for it. Yes, it was part of the Sedin re-jig. However, it was a bad transaction -- showing horrendous pro-scouting where we gave up a cheaper and better player while also downgrading our draft pick. Doesn't that make Benning's talent evaluation look quite poor? We would've been better off keeping Bonino as the 2C in front of Bo, which we literally did the previous season. Beagle and Roussel may have had some form of mentoring (even though there's no actual evidence of this), but look at opportunity cost, and look at similar deals handed out to other placeholders. Valterri Filpulla was available in the same offseason, and signed a 1 year contract worth 2.75 -- he also has a cup ring like Beagle if you're into that. Same thing with Chris Kunitz and Eric Fehr, who both signed for 1x1 contracts. He stinks this year, but that's because the vast majority of hockey players do decline significantly once they hit their 30s -- Benning even experienced this himself after signing Eriksson. If what I'm saying are excuses, then what are your defences of Benning? Additionally, if Toronto wins a playoff round (or multiple) this season, will you suddenly admit that Toronto might know what they're doing? If beating Toronto was that easy, maybe we (and the other 5 teams in our division) should do that make them play team defence. I think Myers is a decent player, but again, cost opportunity, and the fact that these bad contracts all stack up. Without contracts like Myers' (and others), this team actually probably could've made a serious bid for an actual star player like Hall or Pietrangelo, and they could've kept Toffoli. He already has declined so far -- he has the worst 5v5xGA/60 among team regulars. Pretty much every non-elite player gets significantly worse in their 30s, and it's foolish to suggest that Myers will buck the trend. This "wait and see" mentality shows a lack of proactivity, which you absolutely can't have from your GM. Here's my question: what IF Myers declines significantly before his contract ends (which is likely)? -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I agree that Loui/Sutter don't make much sense around the team's youth, but do you not agree that it's at least slightly concerning that Benning's attempt to compete by signing those players was very poor? Tell me why you think his "rebuild around youth" was actually a rebuild, and not just his team sucking. I think I pretty clearly analyzed the differences pre-Linden and post Linden. Linden left following the signing of Beagle/Roussel, and likely (rightfully) disagreed with those decisions. How much better would you like me to distinguish between the two "phases"? Toronto has not won a playoff round yet, but they were also stuck in a division with an extremely good Boston team that they often took to 7 games -- they haven't been "very bad". You MIGHT have an argument if they were getting swept by wildcard teams every year, but that's not the case. That's more of a product of being in a tough division than anything else -- I'd be very surprised if they didn't win multiple playoff rounds this season. Playoff success is often based on very small sample sizes, and it can be a poor measure of future success (2020 Canucks, 2017 Oilers, 2017 Senators). Why isn't Myers a crippling contract? At BEST he's a 4D (gives up a ton of chances and goals), who's being paid for 3 more seasons after this, and is on the wrong side of 30. It might not be a nightmare right now, but it's going to severely block us from adding high quality assets to the team, and in fact it already has. -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Alright, lot to go through here. Just to make you happy, I'll say that I currently prefer our young core of players to Detroit. Bo Horvat is a part of the young core player that Benning inherited, when you're arguing about which better young core a GM has, it seems unfair to credit the GM for a player he didn't even draft. Holland and Benning did try to maximize their stale cores, yes. However, Holland sure did a better job maximizing his core, while Benning finished 28th in 2016 and 29th in 2017. However, you're now admitting that Benning was actually trying to compete with signings like Eriksson/Sutter, and this is now contradicting your previous statement that players like these were placeholders. Additionally, if Benning's attempts to compete led to two consecutive bottom 5 finishes, shouldn't that tell you about his ability to improve a roster? Look at how Doug Wilson got his "stale core" to compete in comparison to Benning. Yes, the draft selections the team currently has looks similar. However, Detroit's highest picks have all come in the past 2 years while our highest picks happened from 2016 to 2018. Our "best" picks have had more time to develop, so of course the core looks better. Moritz Seider is currently looking terrific, and will make this a lot closer once he gets a chance to prove himself in the NHL. I really doubt Yzerman is putting his reputation on the line in Detroit. And, as shown by how well Tampa has done over the past decade, he clearly knows how to run a hockey team and put a foundation in place. Nonetheless, I don't think Detroit is our best comparable from the past 7 years -- it's actually likely Toronto. Both teams had a high pick 2013-2014, both had shallower prospect pools (one really good prospect for each team in Horvat/Reilly), and both were hiring new management teams (Shanahan in Toronto and Linden/Benning here). Vancouver attempted to compete, did well for exactly one season, then completely flatlined in 2016 (after paying big for players like Sutter), finishing 28th. Instead of trying to rebuild the team, Benning thought the team was still capable, traded McCann/2nd for Gudbranson and then signed Eriksson to a 6x6, his team then finished 29th in spite of trying to compete. Benning then "kind of" rebuilt (didn't really accumulate any major assets but sucked and didn't mortgage the future in years prior) in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019, and had one good season in 2019-2020, where he mortgaged a 1st round pick, signed Myers to a crippling contract, traded a 2nd and Madden for a rental, and lost two of his more important players (Markstrom/Tanev) due to the cap he horribly mismanaged. Now, the team is projected to finish bottom 10 in 5 of the past 6 seasons and, by Benning's own admission, is "2 years away". Toronto did poorly for two seasons, but executed their rebuild without signing any long-term contracts (bringing in guys like I showed a few pages ago) or trading away picks, then became a winning playoff team from 2017 onwards. Their team is now top 5 in the NHL and has gradually improved through smart trades and signings. Look at how their salary cap is distributed -- look at how players like Thornton/Spezza are providing so much to their team cheaply and compare them to the logjam of expensive garbage that Benning brings in consistently. I want you to tell me two things. 1) Do you think Benning was trying to compete until the end of the 2017 season? 2) Do you think the Leafs have done a lot better managing their team than us? -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Don't get me wrong, I like Quinn as a player and think preferring him to Dobson is certainly within reason. However, he's definitely not without flaw and does get scored on a ton -- more so this season than last. I think the difference between the two players is closer than a lot might think. -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/06/24/bob-mckenzies-2014-nhl-draft-rankings/ https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-final-ranking-mcdavid-eichel-and-1.300634 https://www.tsn.ca/matthews-goes-wire-to-wire-as-tsn-s-top-prospect-1.511597 https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-draft-ranking-top-93-and-honourable-mentions-1.778987/kchow-template-100-1.778987 https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-draft-ranking-top-93-and-honourable-mentions-1.778987/kchow-template-100-1.778987 https://www.tsn.ca/hughes-edges-kakko-in-tsn-s-final-draft-rankings-1.1323883 If your pro-Benning argument revolves around drafting a good young core, and you're assuming that Benning and not the scouting staff is responsible for these picks, take a look at Bob McKenzie's rankings for each year, based on scout consensus, and look at what players we would've picked in the 1st round if we listened to them. 2014 6th overall: Nick Ritchie -- not the best player available, but better than what we got. 2014 24th overall: Jared McCann -- not the best player available, but McCann was a fine pick, a shame we traded him for garbage. 2015 23rd overall: Travis Konecny -- Boeser's having a better season but they've mostly been comparable throughout their career. 2016 5th overall: Matthew Tkachuk -- very obviously better than Juolevi. 2017 5th overall : Gabe Vilardi -- definitely Benning's biggest win here, but Vilardi should still be a solid player. 2018 7th overall: Noah Dobson -- this one is interesting. Quinn obviously puts up more PP points but gets scored on at will, while Dobson produces solidly at ES and is definitely giving up less defensively. Dobson is probably more likely to be an all-situations 1D, but Quinn has been more productive so far. 2019 10th overall: Vasili Podkolzin -- likely won't be better than Caufield, but still a decent pick. That also looks like a very good young core too, it's almost as if picking high repeatedly will lead to that. I'd probably prefer our current group just because of how hard it is to get a 1C, but that's certainly a deeper group of players. -
Jim Benning's mid-season press conference
Josepho replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Detroit and Vancouver didn't start at the same time. When Benning arrived, they had the 6th overall pick in 2014 and had the 9th overall pick from the previous draft already in the system. Detroit still made the playoffs in 2014, 2015 and 2016, while Benning was already given two top 6 picks at that point (flubbing both of which). In 2017 Detroit finally missed the playoffs, but they were picking 9th while we picked 5th. Benning clearly had a head start in terms of having young talent (or at the very least chances to get young talent with high picks). But Yzerman has been employed for less than 2 years, so that has nothing to do with my comparison. I think Holland had a very rough end to his tenure in Detroit. Right now, I take our star talent because we have a 1C already, but Detroit has better organizational structure and it wouldn't shock me if their core turned out better, especially with how well Seider has been playing. But there's more to running a team than picking good players with high draft picks and after seeing how awful the Panthers have been the past decade, I don't see how this isn't obvious. I've never argued that we don't have a good young core, but that's primarily a factor of the league rewarding teams for finishing low.