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It’s true, I was skeptical of Bo being given the Captaincy when it happened ,. He was granted or gifted the C on his potential, and not what he had proven in his play or leadership abilities. He was too young and inexperienced to lead, and thinking he was capable of doing that was a huge error by management, Coach , and player. It was a better time to create a “group” and let the best LEADER rise. LEADER has no affiliation directly with point totals ,. And has more to do with demeanour, drive, intellect , and being well spoken. To this point it’s why I defer from wanting to see Hughes or Petterson take the Captaincy because they have not each reached their full potential or prime . Am I saying Miller has met his full potential or prime , it’s possible.. but he could progress even better. I see Millers game being more about holding in this prime and creating the longetivity of his game at this level, while working on the finer things.
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Miller has easily proven himself a “driver” or driving force for the Canucks from day one,. The fact he simply out performed Horvat on every level , including handling himself and his team with the media ,. I just find too refreshing, and a step back to the Blue Collar , off the cuff Culture that used to be the way with the Canucks. Just feels more like this team is back on track. And the Elephant in the dressing room is gone,. More of our players are stepping up vocally and emotionally, it’s a great sign Kenny.
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… and then Horvat proves to be even more of a desperate idiot with his pull back on his statement: “The fans were all excited and I was excited to be in a playoff push,” Horvat added “It was just one of those things where my emotions got the best of me and I was just really happy to be there, to be honest with you. It might’ve come out the wrong way to a lot of people, so I apologize for that, but, I mean, I’m just really excited to be in this position right now.”
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The way Horvat speaks about Vancouver: “It's been unbelievable.It's a lot better than Vancouver, I can tell you that for free.” The way Miller speaks about Vancouver: VANCOUVER – The Mandalorian never takes off his armour in public and J.T. Miller is the same way. The Vancouver titanic forward, who displayed the best and worst of his emotions on the ice this season, even sounded Mandalorian when he described the sustainability of what his National Hockey League team achieved over the last two months: “This is the way.” That’s the creed of the Mandalorians, a tribe of stoic warriors spun off from the Star Wars franchise, who live by a code of ideals and traditions. When you think about it, J.T. Miller would make a pretty freaking awesome Mandalorian, vilified by some, revered by others, but always ready to fight. In an interview during the final week of one of the most dramatic and divisive seasons in Canucks history, which ended Thursday with Vancouver’s 5-4 overtime win in Arizona and 22nd place in the standings, Miller, 29, removed his armour. Canucks are perfect examples of how individual success doesn't translate to team success. He is about to start a seven-year, $56-million contract extension that became a flashpoint for fan outrage when both the player and the team stumbled from the starting gate last fall. Both recovered after months of melodrama ended with Rick Tocchet replacing Bruce Boudreau as head coach in January, but not nearly soon enough to prevent the Canucks from missing the Stanley Cup tournament for the seventh time in eight years. Miller’s strong finish, when he drove possession for Tocchet and played the best two-way hockey of his life, left him with 32 goals and 82 points – frustrating skeptics who said he’d never be a point-a-game player again after his 99-point campaign a year ago. But his new contract and its initial full no-movement clause doesn’t begin until July 1, and the player from Ohio is sure to hear a lot more trade conjecture before then. About this, Miller doesn’t care. About almost everything else, he does. “I don't know if you've seen a sh-- show like (the Canucks’ first half),” Miller told Sportsnet as the Canucks embarked on their final three-game road trip. “I just got outside my lane, and then it distracted my work and created bad habits. It's very simple. I'm not proud of it, but I think that’s what happened. And since we've had the fresh start, I'm just playing hockey. “If my character was ever questioned -- which I'm sure it was -- I think (the second half) says a lot. This was really hard for me, to be honest with you. But my character is to push through and bring my game a lot of nights, and I thought that after the. . . low point for me, I think the way I responded says enough about my character. There's going to be parts of next year that people don't like either, but I'm trying to make it as little as possible.” The “low-point” for Miller was a two-game sequence at the end of December during road losses to the Winnipeg Jets and Calgary Flames. In the first game, he slammed his stick over the net (while possessing the puck) to get goalie Collin Delia to scurry to the bench for an extra attacker. And in the next, he turned over the puck and quit on a backcheck. A lot of criticism for the first offence was silly. All the criticism for the second was warranted. Miller was roasted by Hockey-Night-in-Canada panelists Elliotte Friedman, Kevin Bieksa and Kelly Hrudey. It was a turning point for Miller, although the turning point for the team came later. Forced by the Bo Horvat trade to return to centre from left wing, Miller had 41 points in 35 games under Tocchet, won 57 per cent of his faceoffs, was plus-nine and led Vancouver in five-on-five Corsi (54.8%) and shot-share (55.5) despite having one of the lowest PDOs (the sum of on-ice team shooting percentage and save percentage) on the Canucks. He said everyone looked better under Tocchet, who introduced accountability and defensive priorities. But nobody looked more transformed than Miller. “Your word, sustainable, I mean, this is the way,” he said. “It's just easier to win games if you're giving up less. If you're defending harder, you'll make other teams make the first mistake. I just think that since Rick got here with his staff, they're making it very black and white for us. There's been a lot more accountability around here. They've done a really good job of making sure that guys know exactly what we're doing. A lot of guys have looked really good since then (because) our team has played better as a group.” And next season? “The last few years, our starts have been terrible,” Miller said. “We need to move on. We've done a lot as an organization to kind of get where we're at right now. We've moved a lot of pieces, (done) and a lot of things to get where we're at. I'm looking forward to resetting this summer and coming back with a fresh start. But having the last 30 games here or however many games we've spent here to know what to expect. . . it's on the leaders and the leadership to make sure that we're leading by example and getting the group to follow. Once that happens, it's going to become part of our game; we won't have to think about it. (Tocchet) always says it’s like brushing your teeth. It's just going to be so natural for us. Routine.” Miller said he spoke with general manager Patrik Allvin during the worst spell of the season and was assured that he is part of the Canucks’ future, and he is unconcerned about the trade rumours sure to resurface between now and Canada Day. “It means literally nothing to me,” he said. “None of it's real.” Nearly all the debate about the prudence of Miller’s $56-million extension is within the context of the team as it struggles with the salary cap. But here’s another question: That a debate rages over Miller after he has produced 299 points in 283 games while missing only a handful of games over four difficult seasons in Vancouver, why would he want to stay? “There's a lot of reasons,” he said. “This could be in a scrambled order but, from outside the hockey standpoint. . . this has become a home for us. Our children were babies when they came here. There's tons of friends and family that love coming here. We've made it home. I mean, the city has been unbelievable to me, even outside of the sh-- part of this year. The amount of support we have and to be in a passionate fan base like this, why wouldn't you want (stay)? Why would I leave somewhere to find something that I want to get here? We've been starting to slowly build something. It's taken two steps toward and one back, two back and one forward -- there's been some ups and downs. Last summer I was told: 'We've got to be patient. It might not happen this year.’ And it did not. But if you look at the steps that our organization is taking to go to where we want to go. . . the changes up top (in management), the changes behind the bench and putting the team together, I mean, it's coming. “Early in the year when we said we were going to make the playoffs and then everything started to hit the fan, that was very hard on us. But I feel like I'm here for the big picture in the long haul. This team, it's going this way (up). I really believe that we're going to be contending to win a Stanley Cup in the future. I can't predict if it's next year, the year after, four years, five years, but the reason I signed for seven is because I want to be here when it does happen. And I believe it's going to happen.”
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You offer nothing , but trying to hilight what ever someone’s opinions were, and try to make a laughing stock of them.. Your just trolling, and when you get it back you look for more off topic ramblings , or excuses to try and insult any poster. I find you a real charm,. Not much on topic, but happy to insult almost any one with any opinion, without holding an opinion of your own. Im happy to entertain you deep into next season, stay tuned Lammiko .. my comments about that came when Horvat was injured , And Lami took his place for a few games and actually performed well.. This management group went in a different direction, and away from him as a player. I’m fine with that,. but much happier that back stabbing Bo is gone.
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[Rumour] Nikita Tryamkin eyeing NHL return
SilentSam replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
His first season with us he reported in Feb or March, after his team was eliminated from the playoffs and his contract was about to expire.. I do believe there is a clause in the KHL , that allows for mutual terms to be worked out within any contract. -
Miller has been through the same latest crap 5 years that Horvat has and performed fantastic.. Horvat not so much, .. so got to play with JT to increase his value,. Horvat and his agent thought it was all Horvat lol.…. Nothing like redacting yourself from the weakest Captain in our history , to become the biggest joke in the league. Super Bo , will now find himself in one of the biggest rebuilds in Long Island , .. and is showing signs of being the biggest depreciating assets in the League. Looks great on him. .. I’m happy for him, well deserved.
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[Rumour] Nikita Tryamkin eyeing NHL return
SilentSam replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Technically no, but Sid makes a good point. I can only imagine that the Canucks Board Room has 4 large Dry Erase Boards with targets of Trade, Buy, and Sell on them already this week. I do hope they are able to make an offer to Nik. Either way, wish him the best with any opportunity he gets. -
It’s a great read @Elias Pettersson and some great reality checks , not only with Millers performance, but his development journey with us. It’s hard to understand how some don’t realize he has been here for 5 seasons? Now, and most of his development has been with us.. Easy to see why he loves it here so much. Hope to one day see his number in the rafters. Don Lever , Dale Tallon, and Tony Tanti should feel well represented in the very least. I think those who are fans of Horvat are actually jealous of Millers game and play in Vancouver.. “ Resentment “ be the word . A Winger , turned into a Center, now finishing close to 60% in FO, still holding a 1.ppg avg, developed before our eyes amidst the teams poor performance. Some guys just “want it”.
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VANCOUVER – The Mandalorian never takes off his armour in public and J.T. Miller is the same way. The Vancouver titanic forward, who displayed the best and worst of his emotions on the ice this season, even sounded Mandalorian when he described the sustainability of what his National Hockey League team achieved over the last two months: “This is the way.” That’s the creed of the Mandalorians, a tribe of stoic warriors spun off from the Star Wars franchise, who live by a code of ideals and traditions. When you think about it, J.T. Miller would make a pretty freaking awesome Mandalorian, vilified by some, revered by others, but always ready to fight. In an interview during the final week of one of the most dramatic and divisive seasons in Canucks history, which ended Thursday with Vancouver’s 5-4 overtime win in Arizona and 22nd place in the standings, Miller, 29, removed his armour. Canucks are perfect examples of how individual success doesn't translate to team success. He is about to start a seven-year, $56-million contract extension that became a flashpoint for fan outrage when both the player and the team stumbled from the starting gate last fall. Both recovered after months of melodrama ended with Rick Tocchet replacing Bruce Boudreau as head coach in January, but not nearly soon enough to prevent the Canucks from missing the Stanley Cup tournament for the seventh time in eight years. Miller’s strong finish, when he drove possession for Tocchet and played the best two-way hockey of his life, left him with 32 goals and 82 points – frustrating skeptics who said he’d never be a point-a-game player again after his 99-point campaign a year ago. But his new contract and its initial full no-movement clause doesn’t begin until July 1, and the player from Ohio is sure to hear a lot more trade conjecture before then. About this, Miller doesn’t care. About almost everything else, he does. “I don't know if you've seen a sh-- show like (the Canucks’ first half),” Miller told Sportsnet as the Canucks embarked on their final three-game road trip. “I just got outside my lane, and then it distracted my work and created bad habits. It's very simple. I'm not proud of it, but I think that’s what happened. And since we've had the fresh start, I'm just playing hockey. “If my character was ever questioned -- which I'm sure it was -- I think (the second half) says a lot. This was really hard for me, to be honest with you. But my character is to push through and bring my game a lot of nights, and I thought that after the. . . low point for me, I think the way I responded says enough about my character. There's going to be parts of next year that people don't like either, but I'm trying to make it as little as possible.” The “low-point” for Miller was a two-game sequence at the end of December during road losses to the Winnipeg Jets and Calgary Flames. In the first game, he slammed his stick over the net (while possessing the puck) to get goalie Collin Delia to scurry to the bench for an extra attacker. And in the next, he turned over the puck and quit on a backcheck. A lot of criticism for the first offence was silly. All the criticism for the second was warranted. Miller was roasted by Hockey-Night-in-Canada panelists Elliotte Friedman, Kevin Bieksa and Kelly Hrudey. It was a turning point for Miller, although the turning point for the team came later. Forced by the Bo Horvat trade to return to centre from left wing, Miller had 41 points in 35 games under Tocchet, won 57 per cent of his faceoffs, was plus-nine and led Vancouver in five-on-five Corsi (54.8%) and shot-share (55.5) despite having one of the lowest PDOs (the sum of on-ice team shooting percentage and save percentage) on the Canucks. He said everyone looked better under Tocchet, who introduced accountability and defensive priorities. But nobody looked more transformed than Miller. “Your word, sustainable, I mean, this is the way,” he said. “It's just easier to win games if you're giving up less. If you're defending harder, you'll make other teams make the first mistake. I just think that since Rick got here with his staff, they're making it very black and white for us. There's been a lot more accountability around here. They've done a really good job of making sure that guys know exactly what we're doing. A lot of guys have looked really good since then (because) our team has played better as a group.” And next season? “The last few years, our starts have been terrible,” Miller said. “We need to move on. We've done a lot as an organization to kind of get where we're at right now. We've moved a lot of pieces, (done) and a lot of things to get where we're at. I'm looking forward to resetting this summer and coming back with a fresh start. But having the last 30 games here or however many games we've spent here to know what to expect. . . it's on the leaders and the leadership to make sure that we're leading by example and getting the group to follow. Once that happens, it's going to become part of our game; we won't have to think about it. (Tocchet) always says it’s like brushing your teeth. It's just going to be so natural for us. Routine.” Miller said he spoke with general manager Patrik Allvin during the worst spell of the season and was assured that he is part of the Canucks’ future, and he is unconcerned about the trade rumours sure to resurface between now and Canada Day. “It means literally nothing to me,” he said. “None of it's real.” Nearly all the debate about the prudence of Miller’s $56-million extension is within the context of the team as it struggles with the salary cap. But here’s another question: That a debate rages over Miller after he has produced 299 points in 283 games while missing only a handful of games over four difficult seasons in Vancouver, why would he want to stay? “There's a lot of reasons,” he said. “This could be in a scrambled order but, from outside the hockey standpoint. . . this has become a home for us. Our children were babies when they came here. There's tons of friends and family that love coming here. We've made it home. I mean, the city has been unbelievable to me, even outside of the sh-- part of this year. The amount of support we have and to be in a passionate fan base like this, why wouldn't you want (stay)? Why would I leave somewhere to find something that I want to get here? We've been starting to slowly build something. It's taken two steps toward and one back, two back and one forward -- there's been some ups and downs. Last summer I was told: 'We've got to be patient. It might not happen this year.’ And it did not. But if you look at the steps that our organization is taking to go to where we want to go. . . the changes up top (in management), the changes behind the bench and putting the team together, I mean, it's coming. “Early in the year when we said we were going to make the playoffs and then everything started to hit the fan, that was very hard on us. But I feel like I'm here for the big picture in the long haul. This team, it's going this way (up). I really believe that we're going to be contending to win a Stanley Cup in the future. I can't predict if it's next year, the year after, four years, five years, but the reason I signed for seven is because I want to be here when it does happen. And I believe it's going to happen.”
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I said. “should be ready to throw down”., seems even written word is beyond your comprehension, never mind common sense.. When your team mate gets punched in the head ,. Someone you are shoulder to shoulder with.. YOU REACT. Horvat , started a whiners conversation with the referee .. Horvat was “The Elephant in The Room”. He wouldnt stick up for his team mates. You don’t follow a Captain who won’t go to the wall for you.. a Captain has to earn his respect either before receiving the C” , or when he is the Captain. Being WILLING to throw down, and REACTING to situations shows a high level of leadership to your team , Coaches, and Management group . As a Captain, you do not skate past.. it shows your team mates you are weak. Horvat was probably scouted to be traded by JR and Alvin before each were announced to their respective positions, and were scouting the situation here. Without the “C” on his jersey, Who was Horvat?. . He was someone worth trading long before we did. Pumping his stats was a genius move.. and I see they’ve done the best that they can with Boeser too,. Now just shy of his personal best season with points. Next season, I hope to see JT get the regular line mates he deserves, and again have another 100 point season or better.
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Miller is the right choice , it dosent take other leaderships out of the equation.. but JT is willing to do it all, and is a great interview , provides great insight, and steers clear of all the cliches that many fall to.. Including Horvats excuse for his quote. ”I got caught up in the heat and emotion” .. that from a question about his excitement level being in a push for playoffs with 2 games remaining in Regular season. EP and Hughes are still developing, let them do what they d best without any extra pressure or duties. Its not a loss to us to NOT have either of them Captain