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After the fact I think it was Gretzky who disclosed how that went down and that he was putting his head in the pillow that night having made the decision that he was all in on Vancouver Stan Mcammon forced Quinn to call. Quinn should have duct taped that $&!# head and put him in a duffel bag. Luke Fox | @lukefoxjukeboxJanuary 30, 2015, 3:04 PM If not for one pushy phone call back in 1996, Wayne Gretzky would have been a Vancouver Canuck. Back in the summer of 1996, then Orca Bay CEO Stan McCammon thought the Canucks would be able to sign the Great One as a free agent after he had spent a half-season with the St. Louis Blues. The late Pat Quinn, then Vancouver’s president and general manager, was in charge of the negotiations. “The Canucks had (Gretzky) signed at night verbally, and he (told Quinn), ‘Look. I’ll sign the papers formally in the morning,’ Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman told Sportsnet 590 The Fan’s Brady & Walker, Friday. “[Then Orca Bay CEO Stan McCammon] got on the phone to Quinn (Vancouver’s president and GM) and said, ‘We want this done tonight.’ “ LISTEN: Elliotte Friedman talks Brodeur, Jets and how Gretzky nearly signed with Vancouver Quinn told McCammon that Gretzky was committed and not to worry. “No, no, no. We’re doing this tonight. I want it formalized. No questions,” McCammon instructed Quinn. Quinn called Gretzky back and asked him to sign the papers that night. Gretzky replied with: “I told you I’d sign them the morning.” “Nope,” Quinn said. “I need to have it tonight.” The whole deal blew up over that, Friedman explained. Gretzky, we know, also considered joining the Toronto Maple Leafs that off-season, before finally signing with the New York Rangers, where he would play the final three seasons of his career. “It was a difficult summer. At one point I thought I was going to be a Vancouver Canuck and it fell through the wayside,” Gretzky said on the same radio show in 2013. “Everything happens for a reason, and I ended up signing with the New York Rangers… and truly enjoyed it.”
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[Rumour] Canucks trying to trade Halak
SilentSam replied to VegasCanuck's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
But,. Goalie desperation is real desperation. -
[Rumour] Canucks trying to trade Halak
SilentSam replied to VegasCanuck's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Would help if the Basic Tax rate in BC/ Canada was 10% or less like it is in Florida. Kind of hard to compare or compete when a player or person can save 40% or more of his earnings. The only thing that’s going to change that type of bonus for playing in those states that taxes are less is Climate change, erosion, and storms blowing those arenas off the maps. I was talking to a friend who lives in North Carolina,. her taxes are 22% of her earnings. To the best of my knowledge most of the U.S. is like that. Theres no reason in this country that a flat tax of 25 % would not work,. And probably stimulate growth in this country by the same amount. The more money each of us have in our pocket is money going back into the economy to stimulate growth and employment,. Which could equate to more taxes actually transferring to the country out of that. High taxes means Having to save earnings, That is squandering. stimulates nothing. There are Teams that take full advantage of how less taxes effect the organization and players…. It only compounds and appreciates being paid USD in a U.S. State. -
The dumpster fire that is the Edmonton Oilers
SilentSam replied to MikeBossy's topic in General Hockey Discussion
What a pos Matheson is. HHOFamer ?? Journalist?? deserves one in the orbital bone himself.. hope someone enlightens LD on this story if it’s true. thanks for sharing that. -
Kane has already been playing in the AHL until Christmas, in 5 games contributed 8 points. By all accounts, teamates there loved him, and appreciated his help with a turn around while he was there. that is the only template you can go off. Sometime a new player shows up with let’s giver $&!# attitude to HELP a team see the light at the end of the tunnel,. And in the process create a unique bond with a player to HELP him to see his light. I think Kassian is an example of that,. Although his were drug / substances issues,. Whereas Kanes are perhaps based on selfishness. Kane has committed no crimes that have had him convicted, they are simply personal or team protocol issues blown out of proportion. Kane will help Edmonton,. But goaltending is a major issue,. Kane at a pro-rated 2m (rumoured) for 1 year (aprx 700k) still leaves room for a goalie if someone is traded . I think Holland will still move someone to get a goalie, who is to say that it’s not Kane himself?
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Depends on the legitimacy of the Sharks claim. The NHL is investigating that for reasons of another possible suspension.… but that too may be included in the grievance by the NHLPA in an arbitration hearing as well. The NHL is only investigating for facts to support another suspension. Nothing else. This could also prove to be a conflict of interest by an arbitrator, and another investigation would take place.
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Victor Perrson , now playing for the Blazers may actually turn out to be better than both,. Perhaps 2 years away,. Might be a surprise next camp. Big Snarly , great skater, skillful. RHD
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Good read here ( apologies if already posted) written by an x-Canuck manager recently turned journalist Chris Gear. Some great insight provided from other contract termination situations: Gear: Why Evander Kane is likely heading toward a settlement with Sharks ByChris Gear January 18, 2022 Chris Gear joined Daily Faceoff in Jan. 2022 after a 12-year run with the Vancouver Canucks, most recently as the club’s Assistant General Manager and Chief Legal Officer. Before migrating over to the hockey operations department, where his responsibilities included contract negotiations, CBA compliance, assisting with roster and salary cap management and governance for the AHL franchise, Gear was the Canucks’ vice president and general counsel. More than 10 days have passed since the San Jose Sharks made the decision to terminate Evander Kane’s seven-year, $49 million contract with almost $23 million remaining to be paid. It is just the latest storyline to unfold for the 30-year-old power forward, whose many transgressions have tainted an otherwise productive and exciting NHL career. Most fans know the background, but what is less clear is what we can we expect next in the ongoing saga? NHL legal proceedings are confidential, so they tend to be as mysterious as the Caramilk secret. Yet, surely there is information we can glean from past outcomes that will allow us to predict the future. The dispute, at its core, is fairly simple. The Sharks believe that Kane breached his contract in a manner that allows them to be relieved from all further obligations. The NHL Players’ Association filed a grievance on Kane’s behalf, alleging that the Sharks’ contract termination was improper, and that his contractual rights should be upheld. In the meantime, the NHL opened an investigation into one of the allegations made by the Sharks, which could lead to a suspension for violation of COVID-19 protocol independent of the grievance outcome. That investigation appears to have created a temporary moratorium on any other team signing Kane to a new deal. There is nothing stopping Kane, a full-fledged unrestricted free agent, from signing a new deal. However, teams may not be interested if there is a lengthy suspension assessed that would need to be served prior to playing. So, while potential suitors wait, the matter will continue to play out between the Sharks (with the NHL’s blessing and support) and the NHLPA behind closed doors. Analysis of the Kane case should be considered in the context of the specific contract wording. The NHL Standard Player Contract (SPC) includes a provision obligating a player to maintain a certain standard of conduct on and off the ice. The SPC provides that a player is obligated “to conduct himself on and off the rink according to the highest standards of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship, and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interest of the Club, the League or professional hockey generally.” It is this provision that the Sharks would be relying on to support their view that the contract has been breached by Kane with his latest conduct. Their position would reference the 21-game suspension Kane received earlier this season for forging his COVID-19 vaccine passport and the more recent allegations of violations of the AHL COVID-19 protocol arising from travel to his home in Vancouver while he was still in COVID-protocol with the Sharks’ AHL affiliate. There have also been allegations this season regarding inappropriate conduct toward his estranged wife and failure to provide services in reporting to the rink as scheduled. These are just the latest incidents in a long line of Kane movie-of-the-week dramas. They are also the incidents that are relevant to the termination discussion, as any conduct pre-dating his signing with the Sharks would not factor into a determination of whether he has breached the current agreement. It is interesting to note that the Sharks did not choose to terminate Kane’s contract following the lengthy suspension handed down in October, but rather chose to do so now. Perhaps they weren’t convinced they had sufficient grounds to terminate, but reconsidered when they believed Kane to be in breach of COVID protocols again in December? The timing would indicate that both the team and the NHL view the case for termination as stronger after the latest allegations. Though a plain reading of the SPC language would suggest the threshold for termination has been met by Kane’s conduct, the most likely outcome here is a settlement between the team and the player. In my opinion, neither party will want to risk an arbitrator’s decision, as the arbitrator won’t have the discretion to compromise. An arbitrator will rule either that the termination was proper, nullifying Kane’s entitlement to any further compensation from the Sharks, or that the termination was wrongful, meaning that the Sharks would still owe Kane the full amount of the contract. If the latter, the implications on Kane’s free agent status and whether his contractual entitlement would be reflected in whole or in part on the Sharks’ cap going forward are less clear, and would be the subject of a groundbreaking ruling. No arbitrator will want to reinstate the contract and force an ongoing marriage between the Sharks and Kane, so the resolution in that scenario would likely be a payment schedule and cap hit structured akin to a buyout, with Kane still retaining free agent status. In any event, it may be in both sides’ interest to come to a clear and unambiguous settlement-and not leave fate in the arbitrator’s hands. There are only a handful of recent precedents to look to for guidance as to how this matter might play out. The lack of termination for breach cases in recent NHL history may in part reflect that NHL players are generally a well-behaved lot, but it is more likely attributable to NHL teams being uneasy about challenging the SPC conduct language. The most instructive case is that of Mike Richards, who was terminated by the Los Angeles Kings in 2015 with a similar $22 million remaining to be paid under the terms of his five-year deal. Richards was charged with possession of a controlled substance (oxycodone) as he crossed the U.S.-Canada border. That charge would seem to have given the Kings all the ammunition they needed to cite conduct falling short of the “highest standards” and viewed as “conduct detrimental to the interests of the Club.” However, the Kings chose to settle the grievance. Even with something as egregious as a drug charge at a border crossing, the club must have feared a potential ruling against them. Through the settlement, the Kings got a significant measure of relief from their cash and cap obligations to Richards. The Kings agreed to pay Richards $10.5 million in “termination penalties” through the 2031-32 season, but the cap implications (including cap recapture implications) paled in comparison to the $5.75 million cap hit that would have been on their books for the final five years of his contract. The total settlement payment amount in real cash ($10.5 million) was also significantly less than the $14.5 million they would have owed had they decided to buy him out at that point. That would be considered a “win” for a team that sought to get out from under the contract of a player whose best days were behind him and had already been assigned to the AHL. The Kings were also involved in the high-profile termination of the contract of Slava Voynov, who was charged with domestic assault and suspended indefinitely by the NHL in 2014. The Kings terminated Voynov’s contract for breach and successfully voided their cash and cap obligations. That might have been a useful test case for an arbitrator’s view on the SPC conduct language, but Voynov opted not to grieve, instead returning to Russia to seek refuge in the KHL. In 2020, the Washington Capitals terminated the contract of Brendan Leipsic after details of his offensive and misogynistic online conversation with his brother and others were publicly revealed. Similarly, Leipsic did not challenge the Capitals’ decision and is also currently playing in Russia. In 2018, the Tampa Bay Lightning terminated the contract of Jake Dotchin, alleging breach of a similar provision in the player’s SPC which requires that the player be “fit and in proper condition for the performance of his duties as required by this SPC.” Dotchin reportedly arrived at training camp an alleged 35 pounds above his playing weight, and the Lightning decided there was an easier way to trim the fat than to work Dotchin back into shape. The NHLPA grieved that termination, and the Lightning reached an undisclosed settlement with the player, who subsequently signed with the Anaheim Ducks. The Sharks are not the only side at risk if this case proceeds to an arbitrator’s ruling. All arbitration decisions become binding precedents for future disputes. From the NHLPA’s perspective, that means an arbitrator’s decision could create a new legal framework around what constitutes a breach of the SPC conduct provisions, and make it easier for teams to terminate SPC’s in the future. Can you imagine the implications for the NHLPA if arbitrator Hon. Richard A. Levie drops a lengthy written decision that upholds the Sharks termination, leaves Kane with no money and includes language that hurts future players? That’s a big risk. Yes, the Sharks have seven million reasons per year to proceed to arbitration with Kane instead of settling. If Kane is guilty of violating some or all of the COVID-19 protocols put in place by the NHL, AHL and Canadian government, or other inappropriate actions that have not been publicly brought to light, it would seem the Sharks have sufficient grounds to meet the threshold required in the SPC to terminate his contract. However, given the risk of being wrong, and the history of settlements in the NHL, how this ends will likely depend as much on the strength of the Sharks’ resolve as it will the strength of their evidence against Kane. —-
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They go on a run once they get a goaltender. but , Kane will have something positive to focus on by playing, and will play well,. his new team will rally around him because Kane will be targeted by negative media in Edmonton , and both the team and Kane will refocus. the same just happened in Vancouver. j
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The dumpster fire that is the Edmonton Oilers
SilentSam replied to MikeBossy's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Draisailt handled that well.. another journalist trying to get a comment of a question that should be directed to Operations or the GM.. that’s why a player cant really answer the first question and was confused by it. . It was pre-loaded on what the journalist thought WAS wrong , when the player is more concerned about his own game. that first question was poised and set up for second regarding Draisaitl showing frustration in a game .. after he called the player pissy. Thats a rude set up Matheson. Journalists are worried about Kane causing a cancer in the room , when esoterically the journalists are causing it already during this rough stretch. … and they have not talked to Kane. -
Why wasn’t Halak dressed for tonight’s Predators game? Edit : read he’s in protocol for C19 ,. and not being held “safe” for a potential trade for E Kane from Edmonton.
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[Rumour] Tyler Motte drawing interest
SilentSam replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Motte is a “catalyst “ type player that this team can not do without. When he is not in the lineup the Canucks suffer of properly balanced lines, if this player was 6’2 ,. We wouldn’t even be thinking of trading him,. yet he plays like he is 6’2, so why are we even thinking of trading him? .. for the unknown pick we’ll get in a trade for him? Not worth it. Move a player that’s costing you too much already, one that you might not be able to resign.. Boeser has made no difference in the line up or out. -
That’s roughly 500k for a great powerforward , hopeful to go deep in the playoffs. Kane will be totally focused on being a major threat to other teams when he plays.. like I’ve stated all along. This is a low risk / high reward opportunity for any team to take at this point. it’s for roughly 4 months
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Tampa Bay Lightning | Jan. 13, 2022
SilentSam replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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In an interview Hertl claimed he wanted to get a deal done before he went to UFA .. Or he would be happy to be going elsewhere. the only way they get that type of money is by losing Kane, the 3.5 might have done it,. But the bad relationship between The Sharks and Kane had the Sharks waiting for the first opportunity to terminate. it’s all quite interesting really.. Covid and ever adjusting rules, laws, and protocols hasn’t helped anything either. I have no idea why my gym is closed when everybody in the Liquor store and Grocery Market are shoulder to shoulder.
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They need to sign Hertl with that money.
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No argument.. I was just finding and sharing information and trying to understand it with others here at a late hour,. I was trying to absorb information but my brain was asleep.. thanks for your clarity.