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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Liljegren would fill a need for us as he is an aggressive, mobile, offensive defenseman. The only real issue with him is if he can learn to make the simple play more often. He can make a great breakout pass and spring a teammate for a chance when he has some time, but he should be better at moving the puck quickly when the other team is forechecking. Hopefully some of those errors can be blamed on either trying to create too much by himself which can be corrected, or due to mental fatigue as he would still be feeling the effects of mono. Of course, everyone makes mistakes, but he makes them a bit too often. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I was high on Liljegren early in the year but then my confidence started to fade. Now it's back up a little bit. I think he could be a commanding presence on the offensive blueline, but probably not a #1. He can make an excellent breakout pass and hit the forwards in the neutral zone at the right time when they have speed or there's an opening. I've seen him carry the puck through the neutral zone as well and do pretty well, but he probably won't rush the puck up every other shift. On the offensive blueline is where he's at his best. He has a good, accurate wrist shot from the point that keeps defenders honest. From there, he can either open up lanes for others or just wire it himself. He's also very mobile and is never standing still. He's good at keeping his body around the puck to be a shooting threat at all times while he's moving. He's also made some pretty boneheaded plays both defensively and offensively. He turns the puck over more than I would like, sometimes in the absolute worst way. Offensively he sometimes gets too focused on putting the puck on net and that's all he does. However, given the fact that he is playing in a mens league, he should be in a pretty good environment to improve. If he can learn to make the simple play more often, he'll be a very good player. (Look at that shot at 4:28 he has one foot outside the faceoff circle!) -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I would like Oettinger with one of our seconds. I'm not sure if he will be available at the CBJ second, but if he is we should definitely pick him up. I would be completely fine with him at 33rd overall as well. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Pettersson's highlights were just uploaded. He has hands. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Just trying to put them all in one place is all -
Didn't he say that he had only visited Canada a handful of times? Or was he talking specifically about Vancouver?
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Vilardi: (* The second video is from last year.) Heskainen: Makar: Liljegren: (* This video is from last year.) Glass: Mittlestadt: Some highlight packages I found for the players that are likely in our range. There will likely be more that come out as we near the draft and some seasons come to an end. -
He looks so fundamentally solid in every aspect of the game. His skating looks smooth and crisp and he showed that a couple of times with some nice cuts and rushes. He looks like he's very smart and poised both with and without the puck. Can't wait to watch him progress in Utica next year.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
As someone who has never seen him play, I've always somewhat ignored him due to his level of competition along with his stature. I really don't know what to make of him, like at all. Given that you've watched some premier defensemen play over the years and you think he's THAT good, he sounds like he could be the real deal. I think his work ethic and commitment to playing the right way will make or break his future. Our very own Subban has a great work ethic, but has yet to fully learn to play the right way at the AHL level. He would be very similar to Stetcher though and having both of them on the right side might worry me a little. The fact that you're a Foote fan also boosts your credibility in my eyes. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Wow, as someone who thinks Makar is probably too risky for us, what parts of his game do you think will make him an effective defenseman at the NHL level? Genuinly curious. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Hopefully we end up with one of Heiskanen, Liljegren, Vilardi or Necas. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I saw Yamamoto play earlier in the season and the whole team runs through him. You could see the skill and how he generated the offense. He did a good job of creating time and space for himself within the zone with quick pivots and tight turns. I didn't think his numbers were THAT good, but it looks like the only way we'll be able to pick him up is if he falls to 33. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I don't think Datsyuk is a good comparable for Hischier. Hischier's skating makes him a different player. The hockey IQ Datsyuk has and the way he thinks the game is extremely rare and unique. I think a better comparable for Hischier is a Zetterberg with different physical traits. What Zetterberg has in strength, Hischier has in speed. Pretty much the modern day version of Zetterberg. He has that same quiet will and determination and the ability to beat players without making the crazy dangle. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I think Oettinger would be a great pick with our 2nd. His value will likely shoot up a couple years after the draft similar to Demko's. We would have a system in place to give him more than 5 years of development with Markstrom and Demko ahead of him on the depth chart. If/when Oettinger is looking ready for NHL games, Markstrom can be traded to make room. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I think I've kind of settled on who I want us to end up with. Not too sure on the order, but these are the guys that interest me the most: Patrick: I don't have enough information to knock him down. If his injuries are determined to be something that will negatively effect his future performance then he drops down depending on how serious they are. But right now he is probably the best player in the draft. Hischier: Has the high end IQ and passing ability the Canucks need. I really like the way he can drive play and dictate what happens on the ice in an efficient way, not looking too flashy. He can play the slow, east-west game very effectively or the fast, north-west game just as well. I don't think I need to sell anyone in him. He can play in the AHL next year, which I think is a pretty big advantage to whoever drafts him and for not only his draft position, but others who are AHL eligible as well. Heiskanen: To be honest, I didn't know about him at all until a couple of months ago. I really like how he's tracking and what he's been doing in the men's league this year as well as against his peers. I'm not quite sure where I would take him, but I would be pretty happy if we got him outside the top-2. I think he would fit our defense core really well. You can never have too many smooth, smart, poised defenseman on the ice. I wouldn't pair him with Juolevi though moving forward. I prefer the idea of having them on seperate pairs and as a result having a smart player who can move the puck up with a quick strike pass on the ice more often. That gives us a reliable defenseman who can keep the opponents head on a swivel on the ice more often, which just sounds like a great recipe for success. We would still need a more offensive defenseman, but adding another solid defenseman is something nobody should be dissapointed with. He can also play in the AHL next year, which I think is important to consider. Vilardi: I really like his puck possession game down low and think it will transfer pretty well after a couple of years. I really like the idea of having him and Horvat on a line as those two player would be virtually unstoppable down low in the offensive zone. He does need to improve his skating and I do see him as more of a winger, but he would be a good addition to our forward core nonetheless. Liljegren: I was pretty high on him at the start of the year but not as much anymore. I still think he's a top-5 talent, but I just see a bit more risk now than I did earlier. He has been really tough to get a read on given his illness, but I think no matter what he will be at least a decent NHL player. He fits the mold of a defenseman we need being right handed and offensively capable. He's probably my biggest wildcard. He has the added benefit of being AHL eligible next year as well. Necas: I like how his style of play seems highly transferable to the NHL given he's already playing against men. He's a very good skater and is smart in terms of positioning. He would compliment Horvat given that he's a right handed center. He also has the added bonus of being eligible for the AHL next year. I'm also intrigued by Glass, but don't know as much about him. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
That's good to hear, at least for me. I liked Liljegren before but this tournament was scaring me. Do you think he's played well enough to be back in the top-5 conversation? Or he's shown why we should pick him up at 3-5? -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I think the biggest reason is because of mono. Obviously he can't ride that forever, but I think that effectively nullified most, if not all of any possible effective development he could have had this year. I thought that he'd be fine by now, but based on this tournament he might not be. Obviously if he's healthy and playing like this then that's a big concern, but I don't know if he is. The only defenseman I can think of off the top of my head who was highly touted and lost a lot of time in his draft year is Reilly. Obviously his was probably more serious, given that he missed all that time with a knee injury, but maybe a somewhat similar situation. Reilly has turned out very well, so I hope we don't miss a high end defenseman who lost a lot of his draft year if we end up outside the top-2. Ummmmmm ok. He very well could slip that far, I just think it would be too far. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I think based on this tournament he'll probably be an ideal pickup in the 6-10 range, anywhere past that is a steal in my eyes. Obviously that puts him outside our range. However, I think he could jump right back into the top-5 of it's determined that he's still feeling the effects of mono. Obviously I don't have the answe to that and I don't think anyone on this board does. If teams can determine that it will determine his general ranking in the draft. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Liljegren is really messing with me right now. He was already a bit of a wildcard before, being a defenseman, but I thought he still had a realistic chance of being a good, if not very good player in the NHL. I'm not as convinced of that anymore based on his play at the U18's. He's getting badly outplayed by Heiskanen and hasn't really responded. I don't want to have this one tournament completely dictate what I think about him, but this is a big concern. Hopefully it's more of him still feeling the effects of mono rather than him actually showing alarming signs of stagnating, but I'm not sure which one it is. -
I think ideally Demko stays down for 2-3 more years. I want him to string together at least a couple of seasons of consistent, high-end play. After that hat give him 1-2 years easing him into the NHL. By then he should be settled in and confident in his abilities.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I think I would move Hieskanen above Liljegren for defensive prospects based on what I've been hearing. I thought Liljegren would easily be the best defenseman of the draft with his skating and offensive awareness, but it's looking like something's not clicking. He still could be a good PP QB, but I think it's an already risky pick is quite a bit riskier now. Hieskanen sounds like he's been on a great developmental curve and should only continue to get better. I really like the fact that he's a pretty big piece of the defense of an elite men's team. He had question marks about his offense before this tournament and now is putting up big numbers. I hadn't even heard his name until about a month or two ago, but this kid is tracking very well. Who do you guys want with our 2nd rounder this year? I think Oettinger would be a very good pickup for us at 33, but Thomas looks like a solid player. We obviously don't know if someone will fall, but if someone like Yammamoto or Kostin is there they would for sure get consideration as well. I've also seen Anderson-Dolan play live and he looks like he could be a solid but not outstanding pickup. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I want to know if his terrible statline is a product of him being disinterested or lazy (which isn't a good thing, but can be improved rather easily), having terrible luck or actually regressing. It doesn't look like anyone has been watching him here though to offer any insight. The raw skills and talent that a lot of people see are possibly worthy of a top 3 pick, but not if he's going to regress afterwards. I didn't know anything about this guy until you provided some information a while ago. He sounds like he is trending upwards and climbing a lot of rankings fast. Based on what you said about him playing on a top men's team and playing regular minutes while being a younger player, it sounds like his game should be highly transferable to the NHL. I wouldn't be upset with him at all if we are outside the top 2 if Benning thinks he will be a great top 4 guy and takes him over some centers who he thinks will be 2C's. I don't think that's likely, but I wouldn't be opposed. The only thing would be that we have a similar player in Juolevi, as well as a crowded pool on defense of players that could be #4's or below. I don't think he'll be better than Juolevi and he might not turn out better than Hutton or Tryamkin on the left side. He could turn into a very valuable trade chip though or free up someone else. Of course you can never have too many good defenseman. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Yeah it doesn't look very good at all. It looks like he could drop out of the top 10 based on this tournament. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I like Liljegren a lot too, but it sounds like his play at the U18's is a legitimate cause for concern. Have you seen him play there at all?